New subject: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

22 Sep 2013


      Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01:
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
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Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
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Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
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On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
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Ed Greshko wrote:
>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days.
>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
>> though that is probably a coincidence.
> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a
> coincidence?
I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels?
and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default
Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines
You seem to care enough to write mails about it.
yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others
i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had
in the past
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If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown
people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
hide it does not make this better
Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything.
then *explain* the menu instead hide it
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So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by)
default" now?
no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
by hide it
You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer
this makes no sense
why do you have to learn it?
because there is a menu giving you options?
does this menu *force* someobody to learn?
how would it be able to demand anything from a user?
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I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to
disagree instead of having a useless "discussion".
if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would
never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where
people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot
of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and
so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin
i agree in a perfect world you would not need it
but this perfect world doe snot exist
but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee
that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not
in the future
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if the affected machine is their only one they also have
no chance to ask for help and are lost
P.S.:
do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!
OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed
until they are resolved.
Giving negative karma here is common practice
not common, bad practice at least in that case

Re: hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days