SO UPDATE:
Since I have a domain host that allows me to point my email to be delivered to any email address that accepts mail.
It's what they call a "Forwarding only service"
I currently have my email pointed towards a brand new free Yahoo account.
To date... Yahoo has the biggest storage limit of 1 Terabyte of storage. And since I don't send out a lot of emails anymore nor do I get a lot of emails with a lot of attachments, 1 TB of storage could last me for the rest of my life!
TBH on using IMAP: Opening Claws and having to wait for a little over a minute for email to be sorted into folders and then wait for the folder to light up to let me know that, that folder has new mail in it, is kinda frustrating. But I guess I'll get use to it?
I just know that backing up my Claws-Mail folders is starting to get harder and harder.
Right now, Nautilius says that the claws folder has 31,989 items in it, and the current size of my Claws data folder is 799.2 Megs.
My Nextcloud backup service only gives me 20 gigs of storage.
So, by me doing daily backups of my Claws Data.. I am currently sitting at 9.1 gigs out of 20 used.
I was using a free gmail account, but GMAIL is fixing to do away with being able to use Less Secure Apps... And I didn't feel like having to jump through hoops to set up O-OATH for Claws and gmail..
So I knew it was time to make the switch now, instead of waiting until May.
Switching to IMAP is kind of new for me. It also gives me anxiety too knowing my WHOLE LIFE is stored online now instead of locally in my email client
But it does make life a little bit easier now that I don't have anything to backup anymore and I can switch around to any email client that I want.
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Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different:
Currently writing this email from within Evolution...
I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the screen and click:
SEND TO BROWSER...
for HTML emails... This is weird!
It's been a good while since I've used Evolution.
Chris
On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 17:36 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different:
Currently writing this email from within Evolution...
I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the screen and click:
SEND TO BROWSER...
for HTML emails... This is weird!
It's been a good while since I've used Evolution.
Is this a question? If so, maybe you should consider asking on the Evolution list.
poc
I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy.
I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail. Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with gmail/imap. But after waiting some hours for mail to sync gave up.
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:56 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 17:36 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different:
Currently writing this email from within Evolution...
I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the screen and click:
SEND TO BROWSER...
for HTML emails... This is weird!
It's been a good while since I've used Evolution.
Is this a question? If so, maybe you should consider asking on the Evolution list.
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is going to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this via its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could perhaps be made to work, but I don't think they do.
In practice, I use Evo and the Web interface for different things, e.g. Gmail doesn't handle mailing lists well.
poc
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 11:56 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Is this a question? If so, maybe you should consider asking on the Evolution list.
poc
No, I was just saying its weird getting use to things again.
I do have a question, but I know if I come over there I am going to get told to RTFM.
Basically, I imported my emails from CLAWS to Evolution by:
* Opening Claws
* Selecting all emails in that one mailbox
* Clicked the file menu
* EXPORT TO MBOX FILE
then imported the emails into Evo by selecting the file and telling EVO that it's a .mbox file type.
But I noticed that when I went to rename the folder in EVO to something else... The folder was suddenly empty. But at the top left of the screen it said there was 1533 emails total in the folder.. I tried to delete the whole folder to reimport, the emails just showed up with a error message saying the directory wasn't empty.
So I selected all emails in that folder and deleted them and deleted the folder and re-created the folder and reimported the emails and so far everything is okay.
Before any of this happened, I did a complete reset of Evo:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/sy460m/evolution_reset/
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 13:40 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is going to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this via its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could perhaps be made to work, but I don't think they do.
I've had a play with labels in Evolution. The first label you make becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours them is up to it. It doesn't matter what purpose you give them. If you, then, read the mail in another client, they may not be considered the same labels. Certainly not if you'd already made some labels in it.
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy.
I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail. Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with gmail/imap. But after waiting some hours for mail to sync gave up.
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
I turn all of that stuff off.
But there's one thing I cant stand about GMAIL imap, and that is when you go to delete a email and you tap the delete key, the emails get moved to [GMAIL/TRASH]. And when you go to look for something under ALL MAIL, Emails that you wanted to keep are mixed in with trash until you move all of those emails under the label [ GMAIL/TRASH] to the actual trash folder under webmail.
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Fedora 35 Gnome 3
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 08:06 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
Basically, I imported my emails from CLAWS to Evolution by:
Opening Claws
Selecting all emails in that one mailbox
Clicked the file menu
EXPORT TO MBOX FILE
then imported the emails into Evo by selecting the file and telling EVO that it's a .mbox file type.
But I noticed that when I went to rename the folder in EVO to something else... The folder was suddenly empty. But at the top left of the screen it said there was 1533 emails total in the folder.. I tried to delete the whole folder to reimport, the emails just showed up with a error message saying the directory wasn't empty.
I wonder if it was just taking a while (too long) to process them before showing the list.
For what it's worth, I didn't bother with using the import features of Evolution (when I changed OS installations a year or so ago). I found it was sufficient (and less wading through menus and options) to just drop a mail spool file onto the folder I wanted them to go in (create a folder, then drop the mbox file from a file browser onto the folder name in the list of folders)
I've just done a quick test now, using 24 meg spool file with some 11,000 messages, it seems to be importing about 3 messages a second.
Probably the most painful thing about doing anything on Evolution is trying to abort a lengthy process. You only seem to be able to abort a current little bit of it, it'll just carry on doing the rest. Clicking the offline/online button to go offline was the only way I could abort this little (little!?) test. I had no trouble deleting the folder after that. It vanished in a couple of seconds.
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
I've had a play with labels in Evolution. The first label you make becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours them is up to it. It doesn't matter what purpose you give them. If you, then, read the mail in another client, they may not be considered the same labels. Certainly not if you'd already made some labels in it.
Oh, is that what you're supposed to do?
That's the correct way of using gmail with IMAP? oops....
Whatever email client I am in, I just make a rule
If users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Then..
MOVE TO: "Fedora List"
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On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is going to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this via its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could perhaps be made to work, but I don't think they do.
I've had a play with labels in Evolution. The first label you make becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours them is up to it. It doesn't matter what purpose you give them. If you, then, read the mail in another client, they may not be considered the same labels. Certainly not if you'd already made some labels in it.
Tim,
I just tried the labels thing and I noticed that when you apply the label, not really much happens:
I added the labels column to Evolution... And Yes, I see that it tagged the email with " Fedora Group" but that was it.
For a test, I dragged the email from the gmail server to ON THIS COMPUTER and I noticed the email turned completly blue ( Thats the color I picked out ) and had FEDORA GROUP listed as the label under the label column.
Interesting.
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On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:52 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
I wonder if it was just taking a while (too long) to process them before showing the list.
For what it's worth, I didn't bother with using the import features of Evolution (when I changed OS installations a year or so ago). I found it was sufficient (and less wading through menus and options) to just drop a mail spool file onto the folder I wanted them to go in (create a folder, then drop the mbox file from a file browser onto the folder name in the list of folders)
I've just done a quick test now, using 24 meg spool file with some 11,000 messages, it seems to be importing about 3 messages a second.
Probably the most painful thing about doing anything on Evolution is trying to abort a lengthy process. You only seem to be able to abort a current little bit of it, it'll just carry on doing the rest. Clicking the offline/online button to go offline was the only way I could abort this little (little!?) test. I had no trouble deleting the folder after that. It vanished in a couple of seconds.
I thought that I had a idea on what you were talking about, but I kinda didn't have a clue on what you were talking about so I took a chance:
So I tried what you said:
Created a folder called TEST
opened up Nautilus into a small window
then opened the TEST FOLDER in Evo
and brought back up Nautilius and dragged that .mbox file into the TEST FOLDER
Wow, that works so much faster than importing!
Now I understand what you keep calling a " MAIL SPOOL" aka the .mbox files.
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 10:16 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
I thought that I had a idea on what you were talking about, but I kinda didn't have a clue on what you were talking about so I took a chance:
So I tried what you said:
Created a folder called TEST
opened up Nautilus into a small window
then opened the TEST FOLDER in Evo
< SNIP >
Tim,
I am just wondering if you got this reply? I never got a copy of my email back for some odd reason.
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On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 08:06 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
Before any of this happened, I did a complete reset of Evo:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/sy460m/evolution_reset/
Without examining this in detail, I'd advise using the Evolution list rather than Reddit. You're much more likely to get reliable answers.
poc
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 13:40 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is going to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this via its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could perhaps be made to work, but I don't think they do.
I've had a play with labels in Evolution. The first label you make becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours them is up to it. It doesn't matter what purpose you give them. If you, then, read the mail in another client, they may not be considered the same labels. Certainly not if you'd already made some labels in it.
Looks like the interpretation of labels is not standardized across MUAs. That's too bad.
For Gmail the term "label" labels are used to approximate the usual meaning of "folders" in other MUAs. In fact Gmail's implementation of IMAP presents Gmail labels as folders to the client. This means that messages with multiple Gmail labels will appear in multiple folders in the MUA interface. Every Gmail message as at least one label: All Mail, and may have others such as Inbox. I think Fastmail IMAP works in a similar way.
Evolution's labels are simply tags applied to messages and are entirely optional. They have no relationship with folders and are intended for marking messages as Important, TODO, etc. They appear as a coloured flag in the message index.
poc
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:45 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
I've had a play with labels in Evolution. The first label you make becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours them is up to it. It doesn't matter what purpose you give them. If you, then, read the mail in another client, they may not be considered the same labels. Certainly not if you'd already made some labels in it.
Oh, is that what you're supposed to do?
That's the correct way of using gmail with IMAP? oops....
Whatever email client I am in, I just make a rule
If users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Then..
MOVE TO: "Fedora List"
That's an entirely different thing. Labels are simply tags you apply to messages. What you're talking about here is using folders to group mail. Gmail's labels map onto IMAP folders, not Evolution labels.
poc
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:09 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy.
I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail. Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with gmail/imap. But after waiting some hours for mail to sync gave up.
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
I turn all of that stuff off.
But there's one thing I cant stand about GMAIL imap, and that is when you go to delete a email and you tap the delete key, the emails get moved to [GMAIL/TRASH]. And when you go to look for something under ALL MAIL, Emails that you wanted to keep are mixed in with trash until you move all of those emails under the label [ GMAIL/TRASH] to the actual trash folder under webmail.
The canonical way of deleting a message in IMAP is to simply mark it as "Deleted". That makes it easy to undelete by simply removing the mark. Evolution can optionally show you marked messages or hide them (see View->Show Deleted Messages). You make the deletion permanent by "expunging" the folder (not the individual message) or emptying the Trash on the account. Evolution's default Trash is actually virtual; it's simply a search folder that collects the messages marked for deletion in every other folder.
This is the way IMAP servers are supposed to work, but not all implementations follow the spec, and Gmail is one that doesn't.
Evolution was thus enhanced to cater for IMAP servers that have an actual Trash folder to which messages are moved. You can get that behaviour under:
Preferences->"account-name"->Defaults->Use a real folder for Trash
and setting it to Gmail/Trash.
poc
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:09 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
But there's one thing I cant stand about GMAIL imap, and that is when you go to delete a email and you tap the delete key, the emails get moved to [GMAIL/TRASH]. And when you go to look for something under ALL MAIL, Emails that you wanted to keep are mixed in with trash until you move all of those emails under the label [ GMAIL/TRASH] to the actual trash folder under webmail.
But you've just selected to see ALL mail, that's what you got.
If you look in an inbox, you get the mail in the inbox (likewise for other folders).
There may be an option in gmail to instantly delete deleted mail, but I've not gone looking (I rarely directly use gmail). Various mail clients certainly have that option (delete is delete, OR delete is marked to be deleted, and then it will be deleted when either the originating folder is expunged or the trash folder is expunged).
One of the things I don't like is how gmail does those virtual folders. It does encourage people to just leave everything in their inbox, then it becomes a nightmare to find something or manage it. Generally, I ignore them, and just create regular folders to store certain mail in.
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 10:16 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
So I tried what you said:
Created a folder called TEST opened up Nautilus into a small window then opened the TEST FOLDER in Evo and brought back up Nautilius and dragged that .mbox file into the TEST FOLDER
Wow, that works so much faster than importing!
I never tested the actually running speed of one method against another, though I suspect they're the same, but operationally it was far less mucking around for me to migrate a lot of mail between two mail servers.
Now I understand what you keep calling a " MAIL SPOOL" aka the .mbox files.
It's an old-school term, but with mbox (and a few other formats), each message is concatenated (that's where the cat command gets its name, it's nothing to do with kittens) into one large text file, with each message one after another. While those spools have the convenience of one file per mail folder, they have the inconveniences that it's intensive to parse through text and find the beginning and end of each message, and sometimes that spectacularly fails because of the particular content of some messages.
Most mail clients that keep mail in a spool file keep their own index of where all the message boundaries are (again a potential failure point), so it can more quickly display things, but if you change the spool by moving messages from the middle it has to recalculate all its indexes. I found Evolution to grind to a halt when it had to deal with very large ones. Other clients will, too, but I've only really had large files to deal with while I was using Evolution.
I've been running my own mail server probably around 20 years, and when it comes to lots of mail my experience is that maildir is far less painful than spool files.
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:45 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
Oh, is that what you're supposed to do?
That's the correct way of using gmail with IMAP? oops....
No. It's a thing you can do, it's not the way someone must do it.
Whatever email client I am in, I just make a rule
If users@lists.fedoraproject.org Then.. MOVE TO: "Fedora List"
That's the kind of thing I do.
Years ago I found that adding a "stop processing" option to the end of each rule to speed things up (I have had a high volume of mail for many years that's only starting to decline these last few years). That way, as soon as a rule applies to a mail, it stops trying to see if it also matches any other rules as well.
Also, I put the rules that have to handle the most messages at the top of the rule list, that means that most of mail doesn't need as much processing to sort.
I don't know why, but Evolution's mail filtering rules has always painfully slow (it didn't matter what headers I chose to use for my filtering rules). So slow I don't use it. Much slower than YAM on my old 16MHz Amiga.
For many years I just weekly filtered mail from my inbox. I'd use the filter box to just show specific mail in my inbox (which is fast and nippy at filtering the messages), and drag and drop all mail showing into my preferred folders. That was actually far less painful.
On 08Mar2022 07:22, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
IIRC GMail "folders" are also its labels. Can you write a filter rule in GMail which labels messages in a category with a label made for that category? Then they should all land in a matching "folder" as well.
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 08:30 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 08Mar2022 07:22, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to sync was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create. I find these categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders. Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions, which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.
IIRC GMail "folders" are also its labels.
Actually it's the other way round. Gmail only has labels. It doesn't have folders, but in most cases labels can be treated as folders.
Can you write a filter rule in GMail which labels messages in a category with a label made for that category? Then they should all land in a matching "folder" as well.
Yes, that's certainly possible. The filter rules can match a category.
poc
On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 22:47 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Actually it's the other way round. Gmail only has labels. It doesn't have folders, but in most cases labels can be treated as folders.
It certainly behaves like it does. I can make folders in Gmail using Evolution, and they appear like folders on the web interface. I thought I'd also done it the other way around in the past, but I can't remember.
To be honest, a lot of email clients don't actually make folders (well not in the way we think of them). Everything is stored inside the mail root, but there's an index file that determines where everything fits into your interface.
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 14:08 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 22:47 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Actually it's the other way round. Gmail only has labels. It doesn't have folders, but in most cases labels can be treated as folders.
It certainly behaves like it does. I can make folders in Gmail using Evolution, and they appear like folders on the web interface. I thought I'd also done it the other way around in the past, but I can't remember.
It behaves *somewhat* like it has folders, but labels are actually a superset in terms of functionality. Specifically, a message can have multiple labels, so from the IMAP viewpoint it shows up in multiple folders. Most IMAP clients will treat these as independent copies, while in fact they are more akin to hard links in Linux terminology.
In Gmail every message has at least one label ("All Mail"), and most have at least two (e.g. "All Mail" and "Inbox") if not more. Archiving a mail consists of removing any labels other than "All Mail".
Although Gmail's IMAP implementation does its best to map these things onto IMAP operations, the mapping cannot be exactly 1-1.
poc
You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions. This is not reflected into IMAP, all these categories are just INBOX. This is my problem, gmail auto-categorizing magic is just too useful but only available through web I/F. I _could_ write filters in theory, but gmail magic is just so much better at it.
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 7:04 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
It behaves *somewhat* like it has folders, but labels are actually a superset in terms of functionality. Specifically, a message can have multiple labels, so from the IMAP viewpoint it shows up in multiple folders. Most IMAP clients will treat these as independent copies, while in fact they are more akin to hard links in Linux terminology.
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions. This is not reflected into IMAP, all these categories are just INBOX. This is my problem, gmail auto-categorizing magic is just too useful but only available through web I/F. I _could_ write filters in theory, but gmail magic is just so much better at it.
As mentioned earlier, you can write Gmail filters that match on the categories and then apply labels (folders). I haven't done this myself but there's no impediment to doing it.
poc
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions. This is not reflected into IMAP, all these categories are just INBOX. This is my problem, gmail auto- categorizing magic is just too useful but only available through web I/F. I _could_ write filters in theory, but gmail magic is just so much better at it.
How much trust do you put in gmail in getting this automatic categorising correct?
I make filters for standard things (mailing lists, my service providers, etc), but I hand sort everything else because I wouldn't want important things misfiled. I don't even use spam filtering because I know that makes mistakes (in both direction), and it always will.
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:47, Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions. This is not reflected into IMAP, all these categories are just INBOX. This is my problem, gmail auto- categorizing magic is just too useful but only available through web I/F. I _could_ write filters in theory, but gmail magic is just so much better at it.
How much trust do you put in gmail in getting this automatic categorising correct?
With gmail I filter lists using the subject line when the list puts something like "[list-name]" in the subject, or other header data, but some list messages still show up in unexpected places.
I make filters for standard things (mailing lists, my service providers, etc), but I hand sort everything else because I wouldn't want important things misfiled. I don't even use spam filtering because I know that makes mistakes (in both direction), and it always will.
For my gmail (used mainly for list mails), the volume of spam is quite low. I have an address on a "community network" that gets much more spam. Firefox's trainable filter combined with the community network's filtering works reasonably well for me.
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 12:04 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
With gmail I filter lists using the subject line when the list puts something like "[list-name]" in the subject, or other header data, but some list messages still show up in unexpected places.
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 12:24, c. marlow fedora@cwm030.com wrote:
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 12:04 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
With gmail I filter lists using the subject line when the list puts something like "[list-name]" in the subject, or other header data, but some list messages still show up in unexpected places.
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Its better to filter list's by using the LIST-ID header and then create a rule using LIST-ID header.. That would would stop list emails from showing up in unexpected places.
If they change the entry in the subject line it is easy to notice.
On 12 Mar 2022, at 17:59, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
If they change the entry in the subject line it is easy to notice.
This list is one that only list-id will help with.
Personally I do not like subject line prefix as that means the useful subject text is pushed to the right.
Barry
On 13Mar2022 02:17, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
How much trust do you put in gmail in getting this automatic categorising correct?
Me, not much. But my suggestion for writing a filter on a catgeory to apply a label was aimed at making the categories visible is IMAP folders for Neal's purposes.
Cheers, Cameron Simpson cs@cskk.id.au
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