hi,
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers
when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux
-- THX
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:07:15 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use "rpm" packages and ubuntu and debian use "deb" packages to install software.
There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc.
Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from "scratch" with, but all three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin.
Good luck
David
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:07:15 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use "rpm" packages and ubuntu and debian use "deb" packages to install software.
There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
There isn't a lot of difference from the learning standpoint, but there are two main differences from an administration standpoint: fedora and openSUSE and many others use "rpm" packages and ubuntu and debian use "deb" packages to install software.
There are various other administrative differences such as networking being described differently on fedora versus ubuntu, etc.
Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb?
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:22 PM, D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. forum@lemcoe.comwrote:
Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from "scratch" with, but all
three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin.
Oh I see, and in long term also, would it be good?
Good luck
Thanks.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Joe Wulf joe_wulf@yahoo.com wrote:
You ask good questions.
In fact, I was confused with (anyone would be, I guess) since it is the ocean of distros!
More than likely whichever flavor you try---you'll learn things. Several points:
- Pick one and stick with it for a while. Also, to learn more---you'll
find a wealthy abundance of resources online to read up on.
- Assuming your main platform is Windows... consider something like
"VirtualBox.org" in order to leverage virtualization (free even!) and build your unix/linux skills.
- Evaluate unix/linux forums (such as "nixcraft.com") where you can
read, and ask questions. There are many other good ones, too.
Okay.
Best of luck to you in your new adventure!!!
Thanks.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:45 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 < n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Others have already mentioned the packaging using either deb or rpm
files, but you should also try downloading the various demo CD spins. This will give you a quick feel for the various GUI options available, and some of the software available.
I try live CDs too then.
Meanwhile, welcome to Linux, and I'm sure the penguin community and I
wish you well in your adoption of Linux
Thanks.
-- THX
On 11/02/2011 08:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration
- rpm or deb?
That depends entirely on who you ask. Here, you are likely to get pro-RPM answers, as Fedora uses RPM and people choose it for a reason. Each has features and niceties that the other does not. Both are good package formats and systems; they just have different opinions about how the world works.
RPM maintains data for verification of installed software. That has saved me on at least one occasion.
DEB has the concept of optional dependencies, which can offer you greater flexibility in managing what software is installed on your system. That is probably the biggest Debian/Ubuntu package management feature I miss since switching to Fedora.
If you're going to build packages, they're mostly just different. Both are pretty easy to do once you know what's going on; I find RPM slightly easier, but Debian provides lots of nice helper scripts for package builds (and those are inherited by Ubuntu).
Pick one. You won't really go wrong. In my opinion, software availability, quality, and maintenance culture are more important factors for picking a Linux distribution than package manager, unless you have prior package manager knowledge you're looking to carry with you. From those perspectives, I have selected Fedora (after using Debian and Ubuntu for quite some time), but YMMV.
- MIchael
On 03/11/11 00:59, Michael Ekstrand wrote:
On 11/02/2011 08:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration
- rpm or deb?
I would like to throw in a thought or two.
rpm or deb really doesn't matter, administration is, to me, about understanding the operating system components/applications.
I use both Fedora and Ubuntu and have done so for years. Both have advantages. Ubuntu is stable, upgrades with no fuss, it's good for things that you "just want to work" and I've never noticed deb.
Fedora is also very good and I no longer hold with the axium "If you ain't on the edge, you're taking too much space". As one small example, my Laser printer Fuji Xerox. Setting up laser printer in Fedora right up to Fedora 14 was a pain, pig of a job, hard to do at the best of times. Why! Fedora still did not see printers on USB. This is one reason I am reluctant to upgrade.
Ubuntu found the printer.
I watch list discussion religiously to gauge Fedora problems before deciding whether to fresh install the next version. I usually skip 1 or 2 versions before doing so. I prefer Fedora for web development because it's file systems and commands are same as our server OS Centos, where as Ubuntu "apparently" does things differently, files named differently and in different file systems.
You have a 250 g hd. you can run 3 operating systems as suggested, in virtualbox or partitions, and see which works for you, but, while there is not much to pick between ubuntu and Fedora they are very different from windows.
My thoughts on long term would suggest go with Ubuntu. I would say that once you are accustomed to Linux you will likely want to explore and will probably install Fedora or other on a separate partition so it is independent of Ubuntu.
Regards Roger
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 10:41 +1100, Roger wrote:
Fedora is also very good and I no longer hold with the axium "If you ain't on the edge, you're taking too much space". As one small example, my Laser printer Fuji Xerox. Setting up laser printer in Fedora right up to Fedora 14 was a pain, pig of a job, hard to do at the best of times. Why! Fedora still did not see printers on USB. This is one reason I am reluctant to upgrade.
Ubuntu found the printer.
The printer on the usb port was found on all Fedora versions I have used since F13. Earlier I had a different printer. So the problem with your printer may not be completely a Fedora problem.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Michael Ekstrand michael@elehack.netwrote:
That depends entirely on who you ask. Here, you are likely to get
pro-RPM answers, as Fedora uses RPM and people choose it for a reason. Each has features and niceties that the other does not. Both are good package formats and systems; they just have different opinions about how the world works.
RPM maintains data for verification of installed software. That has saved me on at least one occasion.
DEB has the concept of optional dependencies, which can offer you greater flexibility in managing what software is installed on your system. That is probably the biggest Debian/Ubuntu package management feature I miss since switching to Fedora.
If you're going to build packages, they're mostly just different. Both are pretty easy to do once you know what's going on; I find RPM slightly easier, but Debian provides lots of nice helper scripts for package builds (and those are inherited by Ubuntu).
Pick one. You won't really go wrong. In my opinion, software availability, quality, and maintenance culture are more important factors for picking a Linux distribution than package manager, unless you have prior package manager knowledge you're looking to carry with you. From those perspectives, I have selected Fedora (after using Debian and Ubuntu for quite some time), but YMMV.
For whatever reason(s) (which actually I also don't understand at this stage), I have decided to go with the .rpm side of Linux. As you say both are great, so yes, anyone I choose, I win!
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:10:17 +0530 Linux Tyro wrote:
But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb?
I would say they are just different, not better or worse, though if you like a GUI package management tool, nothing beats "synaptic" on the ubuntu/debian family (I tend to prefer the command line tools since I use ssh to get to most systems and don't want to fool with remote X display, so for me it doesn't matter much if I use yum versus apt-get or rpm versus dpkg - it is just a question of sorting out all the command line options).
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
I would say they are just different, not better or worse, though if
you like a GUI package management tool, nothing beats "synaptic" on the ubuntu/debian family (I tend to prefer the command line tools since I use ssh to get to most systems and don't want to fool with remote X display, so for me it doesn't matter much if I use yum versus apt-get or rpm versus dpkg - it is just a question of sorting out all the command line options).
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 8:10 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 < n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I like the openness, as well as the reliability, (it is much less likely
to crash than windows).
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Emilio Lopez emiliollbb@gmail.com wrote:
I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good
idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux & windows at the same time, and make the transition easier.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.comwrote:
The OP can also try out the live media for the three distros. I
personally think live media is the least hassle free way to see what one is getting into before actual installation.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Errol Mangwiro pmangwiro@live.com wrote:
Yumex fan over here.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
Both are equally good; it's like asking if chocolate is better than
vanilla. And, most things you're going to install will be available in both forms. If you're looking for a highly secured distribution (or, "distro") Fedora is one good choice, as it includes SELinux: "Security Enhanced Linux."
I agree with all of the above and try live CDs and going with .rpm side.
On 11/02/2011 06:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration
- rpm or deb?
Both are equally good; it's like asking if chocolate is better than vanilla. And, most things you're going to install will be available in both forms. If you're looking for a highly secured distribution (or, "distro") Fedora is one good choice, as it includes SELinux: "Security Enhanced Linux."
Ubuntu, I think is easier to get started from "scratch" with, but all three distributions that you listed will serve you just fine in learning the order of the penguin.
Oh I see, and in long term also, would it be good?
All of the distributions listed have excellent support and release cycles, meaning you won't be worrying about when you're going to get the shiny new software.
You ask good questions. More than likely whichever flavor you try---you'll learn things. Several points: - Pick one and stick with it for a while. Also, to learn more---you'll find a wealthy abundance of resources online to read up on. - Assuming your main platform is Windows... consider something like "VirtualBox.org" in order to leverage virtualization (free even!) and build your unix/linux skills. - Evaluate unix/linux forums (such as "nixcraft.com") where you can read, and ask questions. There are many other good ones, too.
Best of luck to you in your new adventure!!!
From: Linux Tyro fedora.bkn@gmail.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:37 AM Subject: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
hi,
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers
when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux
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On 02/11/11 12:37, Linux Tyro wrote:
hi,
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers
when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux
-- THX
Others have already mentioned the packaging using either deb or rpm files, but you should also try downloading the various demo CD spins. This will give you a quick feel for the various GUI options available, and some of the software available.
See here for Fedora --> http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options
Meanwhile, welcome to Linux, and I'm sure the penguin community and I wish you well in your adoption of Linux
cpp4ever
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:07:15 +0530, Linux Tyro fedora.bkn@gmail.com wrote:
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it. There are a number of applications that don't treat foreign data with appropriate care or that try to provide a "rich" environment at the expense of security.
The main advantage of Linux systems is openness.
On 02/11/11 14:19, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:07:15 +0530, Linux Tyro fedora.bkn@gmail.com wrote:
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it. There are a number of applications that don't treat foreign data with appropriate care or that try to provide a "rich" environment at the expense of security.
The main advantage of Linux systems is openness.
I like the openness, as well as the reliability, (it is much less likely to crash than windows).
I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux & windows at the same time, and make the transition easier.
Emilio.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 17:19, Emilio Lopez emiliollbb@gmail.com wrote:
I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux & windows at the same time, and make the transition easier.
The OP can also try out the live media for the three distros. I personally think live media is the least hassle free way to see what one is getting into before actual installation.
Emilio.
On 2 November 2011 16:19, Emilio Lopez emiliollbb@gmail.com wrote:
I think Fedora is a good distro to start. As Joe Wulf said, is a good idea to install it in VirtualBox first, so you can play with linux & windows at the same time, and make the transition easier.
I would say the opposite, Fedora's short release cycle isn't for everyone (and I say this as someone who's used Fedora as their main OS since FC1 came out) and Fedora upgrades are maybe slightly more painful than Ubuntu ones. Ubuntu has an LTS (long term support) version which may allow you to avoid upgrading for a while and upgrades are more like large system updates (think service pack in Windows). RPM vs deb, yes there are differences, but it's probably going to be one of the last things you notice.
For a beginner coming from Windows I think the major hurdle for either Ubuntu or Fedora (which are the two 'flagship' choices) is that their default desktop is now very different to windows. I was introduced to Unity (Ubuntu) last weekend and personally I think it's more awkward than Gnome-shell (Fedora). So you may want to look at XFCE or KDE spins of Fedora or Ubuntu. Live CDs and VirtualBox (haven't tried that one) are a good way to dip into the water.
From a security point of view, Fedora perhaps focuses on security a
bit more than Ubuntu does. This is a bit of a two edged sword if you find SELinux is preventing you doing something it shouldn't, but that's a much rarer occurence these days. It's also intentionally on the cutting edge, this means you get cut sometimes which often means time spent sorting out issues.
Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with.
Haven't mentioned SUSE as I haven't used it for years.
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:36:04 +0000, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with.
Not not just Free software, but also unemcumbered by patents. The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it.
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 15:02 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it.
I thought that one expired some years ago.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 15:02 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it.
I thought that one expired some years ago.
Unfortunately, there isn't just one.
They'll be expiring somewhere between 2015 and 2017, depending on whether some can be considered invalid or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
-T.C.
On 2 November 2011 20:02, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 18:36:04 +0000, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with.
Not not just Free software, but also unemcumbered by patents. The problem with mp3 software is not that there isn't Free software that that can encode/decode sound into the mp3 codec, but that the codec is patented and patent owners do not permit free redistribution of code to use it.
True, but I thought I shouldn't overcomplicate an already long email by getting into a discussion about how you define free (or Free) software. Hence 'free and open source'.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
I would say the opposite, Fedora's short release cycle isn't for
everyone (and I say this as someone who's used Fedora as their main OS since FC1 came out) and Fedora upgrades are maybe slightly more painful than Ubuntu ones. Ubuntu has an LTS (long term support) version which may allow you to avoid upgrading for a while and upgrades are more like large system updates (think service pack in Windows). RPM vs deb, yes there are differences, but it's probably going to be one of the last things you notice.
For a beginner coming from Windows I think the major hurdle for either Ubuntu or Fedora (which are the two 'flagship' choices) is that their default desktop is now very different to windows. I was introduced to Unity (Ubuntu) last weekend and personally I think it's more awkward than Gnome-shell (Fedora). So you may want to look at XFCE or KDE spins of Fedora or Ubuntu. Live CDs and VirtualBox (haven't tried that one) are a good way to dip into the water.
From a security point of view, Fedora perhaps focuses on security a bit more than Ubuntu does. This is a bit of a two edged sword if you find SELinux is preventing you doing something it shouldn't, but that's a much rarer occurence these days. It's also intentionally on the cutting edge, this means you get cut sometimes which often means time spent sorting out issues.
Lastly, media friendliness: Fedora, again by choice, includes only software that can be described as free and open source, this excludes several things such as mp3 playback from the core system. There are easy solutions to this these days (just set up rpmfusion), but it does represent an extra level of difficulty (on the other hand, it isn't really difficult and might be a useful first exercise for somebody wanting to learn how things work). Ubuntu tends to include everything they think they can get away with.
Haven't mentioned SUSE as I haven't used it for years.
Came to conclude whatever I choose, have to dig it out to know the things, Linux is Linux.
Linux Tyro:
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
Bruno Wolff III:
Don't count in this too much. Part of the security comes from being a minority OS and part comes through the people who use it.
I would say that the *majority* of that is down to the people using it.
Sensible people are more cautious. Sensible people turn to OSs that are more sensibly planned, and use it more sensibly. One of the reasons they may turn to Fedora (or another *ix) from Windows, is that they're sick of the bad design of Windows.
People do dumb things, and no OS can protect the stupid from themselves, ultimately speaking. Some people turn to *ix simply because it's free, carry on using a computer is a silly way, encourage others to do the same, and drag things down.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
The main advantage of Linux systems is openness.
Correct but I am considering security too! Well, Linux is good overall.
On 11/02/2011 05:37 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
hi,
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers
when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux
Keep in mind that Fedora is a "cutting edge" distribution. It's generally completely "updated" (replaced) every 6 months and old versions are only supported for two updates, e.g. when Fedora 16 comes out, Fedora 14 will be obsoleted and orphaned (no updates).
If you want a relatively stable environment (and if you're just learning, that might be a good idea), I'd go with Ubuntu, Debian or CentOS (CentOS is built from the same source as Red Hat Enterprise Linux).
If you're willing to bleed a bit, then yeah, Fedora is the way to go. As the old saying goes, "If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space." (he says, with tongue planted firmly in cheek) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Perseverance: When you're too damned stubborn to say "I quit!" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Rick Stevens ricks@nerd.com wrote:
Keep in mind that Fedora is a "cutting edge" distribution. It's
generally completely "updated" (replaced) every 6 months and old versions are only supported for two updates, e.g. when Fedora 16 comes out, Fedora 14 will be obsoleted and orphaned (no updates).
If you want a relatively stable environment (and if you're just learning, that might be a good idea), I'd go with Ubuntu, Debian or CentOS (CentOS is built from the same source as Red Hat Enterprise Linux).
If you're willing to bleed a bit, then yeah, Fedora is the way to go. As the old saying goes, "If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space." (he says, with tongue planted firmly in cheek)
Yeah and for learning purposes I guess too this is well, as somebody points correct: I am going to stick with one particular distro for some time so that I can know what exactly is Linux.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Gary Baribault gary@baribault.net wrote:
Hi, All three of the distributions you mentioned are major .. Ubuntu is
more of a graphical Linux which will keep you safe, but will also restrict your learning experience in the sense that getting to a Root (administrator) command line is not encouraged. Fedore and SuSE are the other two major distributions, I personally used to use SuSE and have moved back to Fedora which has improved a lot lately (last 3 years). To me they are equivalent, but SuSE belongs to Novell, which was sold recently to AtachMate. SuSE also works closer with Microsoft, which for a Windows guy would seem better but for a Linux guy, makes us somewhat nervous!
RPM/DEB both work well, and shouldn't influence your choice.
Yeah, but decided to go with .rpm side (whatever be the reasons, I don't understand).
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Roger arelem@bigpond.com wrote:
rpm or deb really doesn't matter, administration is, to me, about
understanding the operating system components/applications.
I use both Fedora and Ubuntu and have done so for years. Both have advantages. Ubuntu is stable, upgrades with no fuss, it's good for things that you "just want to work" and I've never noticed deb.
Fedora is also very good and I no longer hold with the axium "If you ain't on the edge, you're taking too much space". As one small example, my Laser printer Fuji Xerox. Setting up laser printer in Fedora right up to Fedora 14 was a pain, pig of a job, hard to do at the best of times. Why! Fedora still did not see printers on USB. This is one reason I am reluctant to upgrade.
Ubuntu found the printer.
That's a great point with Ubuntu that it finds automatically (as you are saying) but in Fedora/SUSE, I guess installation or some troubleshooting should be there before it (distro) catches the automatic detection of the attached hard ware like printer. I doubt if it (fedora) would detect my samsung (old) printer or not.
I watch list discussion religiously to gauge Fedora problems before deciding whether to fresh install the next version. I usually skip 1 or 2 versions before doing so. I prefer Fedora for web development because it's file systems and commands are same as our server OS Centos, where as Ubuntu "apparently" does things differently, files named differently and in different file systems.
You have a 250 g hd. you can run 3 operating systems as suggested, in virtualbox or partitions, and see which works for you, but, while there is not much to pick between ubuntu and Fedora they are very different from windows.
That's a good point, I can try that, first start the download of all the required CDs.
My thoughts on long term would suggest go with Ubuntu. I would say that once you are accustomed to Linux you will likely want to explore and will probably install Fedora or other on a separate partition so it is independent of Ubuntu.
I agree with you. So that a little exposure to Linux would be there and then after getting some legs wet, I guess it would be easier for me.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:55 AM, D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. forum@lemcoe.comwrote:
All of the distributions listed have excellent support and release
cycles, meaning you won't be worrying about when you're going to get the shiny new software.
Ah, well.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
It's always going to be hard to answer "which is best" queries. As
there's numerous criteria, and conflicting answers.
If you want free support from other users, I would say Fedora and Ubuntu. I haven't seen openSuse to comment on it. I've noticed more knowledgeable answers on the Fedora list than the Ubuntu list, which seems to have more dumb suggestions, last time I looked. By that I mean silly suggestions from people clearly don't know what they're talking about, and no corrections to such advice.
Oh I see. I guess Ubuntu seems more easier but not as technical as is Fedora!
That may have changed, with time. But bearing in mind that Ubuntu tends to be the first port of call to Windows users, it seems to drag in more of the crazy Windows mentalities (e.g. reinstall, reboot, and fiddle with unrelated things to your problem).
Because of its easiness, might be, its auto-detecting capabilities.
With Fedora, you get an unencumbered OS. You shouldn't fall afoul of any royalties, patents, etc. But you lose some functionality, such as mp3 playback, unless you go to a third party and take a legal risk. Or, the stability risks from things like closed source video card drivers from certain vendors, rather than using the more basic open source drivers.
Ubuntu doesn't care, and provides you with some things of dubious legality (depending on where you are), so more things "just work."
To a more pure blooded *ix users, Ubuntu gets looked upon as the weenie version of Debian. So, if your goal is a bit higher, you might want to look further than just Ubuntu.
In all, Fedora is more technical as compared to Ubuntu.
-- THX
Hi, All three of the distributions you mentioned are major .. Ubuntu is more of a graphical Linux which will keep you safe, but will also restrict your learning experience in the sense that getting to a Root (administrator) command line is not encouraged. Fedore and SuSE are the other two major distributions, I personally used to use SuSE and have moved back to Fedora which has improved a lot lately (last 3 years). To me they are equivalent, but SuSE belongs to Novell, which was sold recently to AtachMate. SuSE also works closer with Microsoft, which for a Windows guy would seem better but for a Linux guy, makes us somewhat nervous!
RPM/DEB both work well, and shouldn't influence your choice.
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On 11/02/2011 08:37 AM, Linux Tyro wrote:
hi,
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
purpose of using linux: to learn from the scratch level
why linux: highly secured and better than windows
hardware: 250 gb hard disk, 2 gb ram, one samsung printer, speakers
when i use system: from a different job, whenever i get time, i do use the system but in this less time, eager to learn linux
-- THX
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 12:37:15 Linux Tyro wrote:
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with. other details are as follows:
In addition to what others have said, let me just add a few remarks:
(1) WELCOME to the Linux community! :-) You'll find a lot of friendly folks around here, who are in general willing to help you learn and sort out any issues you may have with Linux (and Fedora in particular).
(2) Don't hesitate to ask for help. This mailing list is a great resource of information and is followed by people who are seasoned linux users, as well as freshmen. That said, don't get offended by some nervous people telling you to "do your homework", point you to lmgtfy.com, and such. We have all been beginners once, and those who cannot tolerate beginner's questions should not be taken too seriously. ;-)
(3) It's actually a good idea to do your own research before asking a question here. Look up the topic in google, search the mailing list archives, read a man page (those are the "instruction manuals" for a whole bunch of stuff in Linux), etc. Expect a learning curve, regardless of the distro you choose. Some things that are trivial in Windows (like, play mp3 music) are quite nontrivial in Fedora (only the first time you try it, of course), and vice versa. The difference between Windows and Linux is not just the security, names and price. Migrating to Linux means that you need to change your way of *thinking* about how a computer can or should be used.
For example, the idea of graphical user interface (a GUI) in Linux is just a commodity that is sometimes frowned upon. In contrast to Windows, where GUI is the *only* user interface available, in Linux mostly everything can be done on the command line (the CLI, or shell prompt, or console, or...). Learning to use it is one of the best ways to learn Linux. In Windows the "MS-DOS Prompt" is basically a thing of ancient history, and has no serious function in the system. This is just one of the *conceptual* differences you are about to encounter. Filesystem permissions and "don't log in as root" is another. If you have used only Windows so far, your complete knowledge about computers is about to be challenged, and you should expect that and embrace it.
Finally, the choice of actual distro to start learning is quite immaterial. Any will do. What you should plan, however, is the strategy to stick to some distro for a while (say, 6 months), and then switch to another, in order to compare and learn what is the same and what is distro-specific. It doesn't really matter where you start from... ;-)
HTH, :-) Marko
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@gmail.com wrote:
(1) WELCOME to the Linux community!
Thanks.
(2) Don't hesitate to ask for help. This mailing list is a great resource of information and is followed by people who are seasoned linux users, as well as freshmen. That said, don't get offended by some nervous people telling you to "do your homework", point you to lmgtfy.com, and such. We have all been beginners once, and those who cannot tolerate beginner's questions should not be taken too seriously. ;-)
Yes, that really is good thing, beginners like me sometimes could ask some silly questions (it may be due to not use of Linux ever) but always happy to get the answer.
(3) It's actually a good idea to do your own research before asking a question here. Look up the topic in google, search the mailing list archives, read a man page (those are the "instruction manuals" for a whole bunch of stuff in Linux), etc. Expect a learning curve, regardless of the distro you choose. Some things that are trivial in Windows (like, play mp3 music) are quite nontrivial in Fedora (only the first time you try it, of course), and vice versa. The difference between Windows and Linux is not just the security, names and price. Migrating to Linux means that you need to change your way of *thinking* about how a computer can or should be used.
For example, the idea of graphical user interface (a GUI) in Linux is just a
commodity that is sometimes frowned upon. In contrast to Windows, where GUI is the *only* user interface available, in Linux mostly everything can be done on the command line (the CLI, or shell prompt, or console, or...). Learning to use it is one of the best ways to learn Linux. In Windows the "MS-DOS Prompt" is basically a thing of ancient history, and has no serious function in the system. This is just one of the *conceptual* differences you are about to encounter. Filesystem permissions and "don't log in as root" is another. If you have used only Windows so far, your complete knowledge about computers is about to be challenged, and you should expect that and embrace it.
I agree with you. I came to know that how Windows used to ties the hands, even without using Linux. However, I am not from technical field of softwares, and also was not Windows admin or something like that, but still with a great surety claim that Linux is Linux, Windows is nothing in front of it - in any aspect you can compare.
Finally, the choice of actual distro to start learning is quite immaterial. Any will do. What you should plan, however, is the strategy to stick to some distro for a while (say, 6 months), and then switch to another, in order to compare and learn what is the same and what is distro-specific. It doesn't really matter where you start from... ;-)
Yes, perhaps any distro would give me the basics of Linux.
-- THX
Marko---really liked the pleasant and balanced reply---excellent! LinuxTyro---glad to see you replying to all the posts, keeping engaged, and having an open mind.
From: Linux Tyro fedora.bkn@gmail.com
To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@gmail.com wrote:
(1) WELCOME to the Linux community!
Thanks.
(2) Don't hesitate to ask for help. This mailing list is a great resource of
information and is followed by people who are seasoned linux users, as well as freshmen. That said, don't get offended by some nervous people telling you to "do your homework", point you to lmgtfy.com, and such. We have all been beginners once, and those who cannot tolerate beginner's questions should not be taken too seriously. ;-)
Yes, that really is good thing, beginners like me sometimes could ask some silly questions (it may be due to not use of Linux ever) but always happy to get the answer.
(3) It's actually a good idea to do your own research before asking a question
here. Look up the topic in google, search the mailing list archives, read a man page (those are the "instruction manuals" for a whole bunch of stuff in Linux), etc. Expect a learning curve, regardless of the distro you choose. Some things that are trivial in Windows (like, play mp3 music) are quite nontrivial in Fedora (only the first time you try it, of course), and vice versa. The difference between Windows and Linux is not just the security, names and price. Migrating to Linux means that you need to change your way of *thinking* about how a computer can or should be used.
For example, the idea of graphical user interface (a GUI) in Linux is just a
commodity that is sometimes frowned upon. In contrast to Windows, where GUI is the *only* user interface available, in Linux mostly everything can be done on the command line (the CLI, or shell prompt, or console, or...). Learning to use it is one of the best ways to learn Linux. In Windows the "MS-DOS Prompt" is basically a thing of ancient history, and has no serious function in the system. This is just one of the *conceptual* differences you are about to encounter. Filesystem permissions and "don't log in as root" is another. If you have used only Windows so far, your complete knowledge about computers is about to be challenged, and you should expect that and embrace it.
I agree with you. I came to know that how Windows used to ties the
hands, even without using Linux. However, I am not from technical field of softwares, and also was not Windows admin or something like that, but still with a great surety claim that Linux is Linux, Windows is nothing in front of it - in any aspect you can compare.
Finally, the choice of actual distro to start learning is quite immaterial.
Any will do. What you should plan, however, is the strategy to stick to some distro for a while (say, 6 months), and then switch to another, in order to compare and learn what is the same and what is distro-specific. It doesn't really matter where you start from... ;-)
Yes, perhaps any distro would give me the basics of Linux.
-- THX
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On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 18:07 +0530, Linux Tyro wrote:
confused between: fedora, openSUSE and ubuntu LTS
It's always going to be hard to answer "which is best" queries. As there's numerous criteria, and conflicting answers.
If you want free support from other users, I would say Fedora and Ubuntu. I haven't seen openSuse to comment on it. I've noticed more knowledgeable answers on the Fedora list than the Ubuntu list, which seems to have more dumb suggestions, last time I looked. By that I mean silly suggestions from people clearly don't know what they're talking about, and no corrections to such advice.
That may have changed, with time. But bearing in mind that Ubuntu tends to be the first port of call to Windows users, it seems to drag in more of the crazy Windows mentalities (e.g. reinstall, reboot, and fiddle with unrelated things to your problem).
With Fedora, you get an unencumbered OS. You shouldn't fall afoul of any royalties, patents, etc. But you lose some functionality, such as mp3 playback, unless you go to a third party and take a legal risk. Or, the stability risks from things like closed source video card drivers from certain vendors, rather than using the more basic open source drivers.
Ubuntu doesn't care, and provides you with some things of dubious legality (depending on where you are), so more things "just work."
To a more pure blooded *ix users, Ubuntu gets looked upon as the weenie version of Debian. So, if your goal is a bit higher, you might want to look further than just Ubuntu.
On 02.11.2011, Linux Tyro wrote:
i am new in this world of linux. getting confused seeing a lot of linux distro. I just want to use linux distro to learn linux from the scratch level. please suggest me if fedora is the best place to start with.
There are lots of good distributions out there. Just download a live CD .ISO, burn it, boot it and see what you've got. After playing around a little while with all of them, you'll surely find your way.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Heinz Diehl htd@fritha.org wrote:
There are lots of good distributions out there. Just download a live
CD .ISO, burn it, boot it and see what you've got. After playing around a little while with all of them, you'll surely find your way.
Sure and thanks man.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
True, but I thought I shouldn't overcomplicate an already long email by getting into a discussion about how you define free (or Free) software. Hence 'free and open source'.
Aah, well.
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