MultiMedia suggestions?

[jack craig]

Hi FC folks,

I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via totem.

I have, ...

totem-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
totem-mozplugin-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
totem-nautilus-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
totem-pl-parser-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64

gst-mixer-2.26.0-3.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.16-4.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.x86_64
gstreamer-tools-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.4.9-1.fc11.x86_64
totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64

installed.

I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I 
get, ...

missing DVD source


How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...

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831.461.7100 x120
www.extraview.com

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:10 -0700, Michael Miles wrote:
>  On 06/01/2010 12:48 PM, Craig White wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 11:47 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>  >    
>  >> Hi FC folks,
>  >>
>  >> I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via
>  >> totem.
>  >>
>  >> I have, ...
>  >>
>  >> totem-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> totem-mozplugin-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> totem-nautilus-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> totem-pl-parser-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >>
>  >> gst-mixer-2.26.0-3.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.16-4.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> gstreamer-tools-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.4.9-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >> totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  >>
>  >> installed.
>  >>
>  >> I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
>  >> get, ...
>  >>
>  >> missing DVD source
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...
>  >>      
>  > ----
>  > if that is a store bought dvd, then you probably need libdvdcss package
>  > - the legality of which, at least in the US is probably questionable but
>  > if I recall correctly, that package is available from livna.
>  >
>  > F11 is pretty much dead btw
>  >
>  > Craig
>  >
>  >
>  >    
>  This is what I really do not get about copyrights.
>  
>  I go to the store and buy a DVD movie.
>  I do not have a DVD player but a computer.
>  So I can't watch the movie without libdvdcss
>  
>  In the states that would be considered illegal even though I did not rip 
>  or reproduce in any way.
>  
>  On the note of ripping..... playing a dvd from the DVD deck in my 
>  computer means the motor of the dvd recorder reader will run constant 
>  for 2 hours plus.
>  These motors can't take that kind of stress for very long.
>  So the best option is to rip it and place it on a Hard drive which is 
>  more suited for long extended motor usage. By doing that I have broken 
>  the law and could be prosecuted.
>  
>  Even though I own the original.
>  
>  
>  When I buy a game it's a given that the game will be placed on a HD and 
>  yet the very same copyright laws are broken as soon as I backup the cd 
>  or dvd game on HD
>  
>  
>  What a confusing situation. 
----
the simplest surest way to protest is not to purchase any DVD's that
have such encryption on them because there are actually many issues at
play here.

If you want to inform yourself, you might want to start here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS

but essentially there is an encryption put onto most commercially
available DVD and the code to play them on a computer or on a store
bought DVD player is licensed. The GPL license would never permit
distribution of such restrictive code. Thus any software that acquiesces
to such restrictive licensing terms will never be part of a Linux
distribution (at least legally).

Fedora has specific wiki pages to explain this...
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia
and probably more specifically here...
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems

the easy answer in the US - get our legislators to repeal DMCA but we
need a lot of help because the deep pockets have been tossing a lot of
money to get them to pass stupid laws like the DMCA which clearly are
anti-consumer.

Craig


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[Tim]

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 13:34 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>  the simplest surest way to protest is not to purchase any DVD's
> that
>  have such encryption on them 
I don't ever recall seeing any DVDs that announce whether or not they're
encrypted.  And I wouldn't pay much heed to websites listing which are
or aren't, because the next batch may be different than the last.

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[jack craig]

On 06/01/2010 01:10 PM, Michael Miles wrote:
>  Even though I own the original.
>
>
>  When I buy a game it's a given that the game will be placed on a HD and
>  yet the very same copyright laws are broken as soon as I backup the cd
>  or dvd game on HD
>
>
>  What a confusing situation.
>
>
>      
I totally agree!

I have a second question that it sounds like you have an answer for ...

how do you rip dvd's (eg, what application do you use) ?

I used brasero to make an iso image, but  vlc cant play it, so
i doubt its validity.

i use grip for mp3, what does the best job for dvd's ?

thx, jackc...

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831.461.7100 x120
www.extraview.com

[jack craig]

thx craig!

it is a dvd of us swimming with manta rays at night, not store bought.

and yeah, i know my install is about over the hill... :)


On 06/01/2010 12:48 PM, Craig White wrote:
>  On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 11:47 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>     
> > Hi FC folks,
> >
> > I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via
> > totem.
> >
> > I have, ...
> >
> > totem-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-mozplugin-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-nautilus-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-pl-parser-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64
> >
> > gst-mixer-2.26.0-3.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.16-4.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-tools-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
> > PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.4.9-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> >
> > installed.
> >
> > I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
> > get, ...
> >
> > missing DVD source
> >
> >
> > How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...
> >      
>  ----
>  if that is a store bought dvd, then you probably need libdvdcss package
>  - the legality of which, at least in the US is probably questionable but
>  if I recall correctly, that package is available from livna.
>
>  F11 is pretty much dead btw
>
>  Craig
>
>
>      
-- 
Jack Craig
Software Engineer
831.461.7100 x120
www.extraview.com

[Michael Miles]

On 06/01/2010 12:48 PM, Craig White wrote:
>  On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 11:47 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>     
> > Hi FC folks,
> >
> > I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via
> > totem.
> >
> > I have, ...
> >
> > totem-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-mozplugin-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-nautilus-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-pl-parser-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64
> >
> > gst-mixer-2.26.0-3.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.16-4.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.x86_64
> > gstreamer-tools-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
> > PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.4.9-1.fc11.x86_64
> > totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
> >
> > installed.
> >
> > I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
> > get, ...
> >
> > missing DVD source
> >
> >
> > How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...
> >      
>  ----
>  if that is a store bought dvd, then you probably need libdvdcss package
>  - the legality of which, at least in the US is probably questionable but
>  if I recall correctly, that package is available from livna.
>
>  F11 is pretty much dead btw
>
>  Craig
>
>
>      
This is what I really do not get about copyrights.

I go to the store and buy a DVD movie.
I do not have a DVD player but a computer.
So I can't watch the movie without libdvdcss

In the states that would be considered illegal even though I did not rip 
or reproduce in any way.

On the note of ripping..... playing a dvd from the DVD deck in my 
computer means the motor of the dvd recorder reader will run constant 
for 2 hours plus.
These motors can't take that kind of stress for very long.
So the best option is to rip it and place it on a Hard drive which is 
more suited for long extended motor usage. By doing that I have broken 
the law and could be prosecuted.

Even though I own the original.


When I buy a game it's a given that the game will be placed on a HD and 
yet the very same copyright laws are broken as soon as I backup the cd 
or dvd game on HD


What a confusing situation.

[jack craig]

i get  a popup about missing plugin, dvd source.

vlc seems to be working though...

On 06/01/2010 12:00 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>  On 01/06/10 19:47, jack craig wrote:
>     
> > Hi FC folks,
> >
> > I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via totem.
> >      
>  --snip--
>     
> > I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
> > get, ...
> >
> > missing DVD source
> >
> >
> > How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...
> >
> >      
>  When you click search on the popup window what happens?
>
>
>      
-- 
Jack Craig
Software Engineer
831.461.7100 x120
www.extraview.com

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 11:47 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>  Hi FC folks,
>  
>  I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via
>  totem.
>  
>  I have, ...
>  
>  totem-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  totem-mozplugin-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  totem-nautilus-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  totem-pl-parser-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64
>  
>  gst-mixer-2.26.0-3.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.25-3.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-plugins-flumpegdemux-0.10.15-6.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.16-4.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-python-0.10.16-1.fc11.x86_64
>  gstreamer-tools-0.10.25-1.fc11.x86_64
>  PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.4.9-1.fc11.x86_64
>  totem-gstreamer-2.26.5-1.fc11.x86_64
>  
>  installed.
>  
>  I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
>  get, ...
>  
>  missing DVD source
>  
>  
>  How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc... 
----
if that is a store bought dvd, then you probably need libdvdcss package
- the legality of which, at least in the US is probably questionable but
if I recall correctly, that package is available from livna.

F11 is pretty much dead btw

Craig


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[Frank Murphy]

On 01/06/10 19:47, jack craig wrote:
>  Hi FC folks,
>  
>  I have a dvd video that plays fine in my home dvd player, but not via totem.
--snip--
>  
>  I am able to copy the dvd to an iso file, but not play it locally. I
>  get, ...
>  
>  missing DVD source
>  
>  
>  How might i learn what is missing? Thx, jackc...
>   
When you click search on the popup window what happens?


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