OFF-TOPIC: Fedora 7 already installed, can't install XP on empty partition

[Andre Costa]

Hi,

this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
this already...

I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
(and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
=)

BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
"examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It doesn't
really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
expected.

I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through this
already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.

Is that true?

My system is configured as:

~ fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
/dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM

HD specs are:

~ hdparm -I /dev/sda

/dev/sda:

ATA device, with non-removable media
        Model Number:       SAMSUNG SP2504C
        Serial Number:      S09QJ1SP208120
        Firmware Revision:  VT100-50

GRUB is installed on MBR. All remaining space is sitting there,
waiting for XP to take over... =/

Anyone knows of a workaround? Should I try to create an additional
partition on the empty space and format it as VFAT hoping this would
make Windoze less stupid? Or am I doomed to remove all partitions and
start from scratch, starting with XP?

TIA

Andre

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  this already...
>  
>  I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  =)
>  
>  BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It doesn't
>  really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  expected.
>  
>  I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through this
>  already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  
>  Is that true?  
It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your 
fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.

However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
retry your XP install.


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[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:07:13 -0300
"André Costa" <blueser(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still
> addicted
>  to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It doesn't
>  really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  expected. 
I had exactly this problem with a machine with nvidia chipset and sata
disks. Turned out if there was an ext3 partition anywhere on any of the
disks the XP installer acted exactly as you describe. It would hang
much faster than I could even hit the function key to tell it I had
a driver disk.

At some point I needed to reinstall everything from scratch, so I erased
all the partitions on all the disks, installed Windows XP first, then
installed linux. It works fine now - it was just the installer barfing.

[Andre Costa]

Hi Aaron, thks for stepping in.

On 8/10/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  > this already...
>  >
>  > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  > =)
>  >
>  > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It doesn't
>  > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  > expected.
>  >
>  > I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through this
>  > already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  > disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  > be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  >
>  > Is that true?
>
>  It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>  fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>
>  However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  retry your XP install. 
I haven't created a partition for XP, but I just did that with gparted
on the empty partition, and marked it as HPFS/NTFS (type 7):

~ fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
/dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM
/dev/sda3           10468       30401   160119855    7  HPFS/NTFS

Still, nothing happens. ... stupid XP, I can't believe I'll have to
reinstall everything because of it =/

If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?

Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
"hidden" partitions? Could this work?

Regards,

Andre

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:03:16 -0300
"André Costa" <blueser(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions? 
That's what I did when I reinstalled.

>  
>  Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
>  rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  "hidden" partitions? Could this work? 
You could try it I suppose, if it doesn't work, you could try the
more drastic approach.

[Rick Stevens]

On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 19:03 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  Hi Aaron, thks for stepping in.
>  
>  On 8/10/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  > > this already...
>  > >
>  > > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  > > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  > > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  > > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  > > =)
>  > >
>  > > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  > > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  > > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It
> doesn't
>  > > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  > > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  > > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  > > expected.
>  > >
>  > > I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through this
>  > > already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  > > disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  > > be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  > >
>  > > Is that true?
>  >
>  > It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  > yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>  > fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>  >
>  > However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  > retry your XP install.
>  
>  I haven't created a partition for XP, but I just did that with gparted
>  on the empty partition, and marked it as HPFS/NTFS (type 7):
>  
>  ~ fdisk -l
>  
>  Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
>  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
>  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>  
>     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>  /dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
>  /dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM
>  /dev/sda3           10468       30401   160119855    7  HPFS/NTFS
>  
>  Still, nothing happens. ... stupid XP, I can't believe I'll have to
>  reinstall everything because of it =/
>  
>  If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?
>  
>  Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
>  rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  "hidden" partitions? Could this work? 
All versions of Windows (except perhaps Vista...haven't tried it) think
they they own the entire system.  If there's any non-Microsoft
filesystem on the disk, the installer stalls.  You have to purge the
disk and install Windows first.  When you install Windows, only give
it as much disk as you want...make sure the rest is "unused space".

NOW you can install Fedora.  Anaconda will see the Windows stuff and
add it to the grub configuration allowing you to multiboot.

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[Andre Costa]

Hi Tom,

On 8/10/07, Tom Horsley <tom.horsley(a)att.net&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:03:16 -0300
>  "André Costa" <blueser(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
>  > If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  > installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?
>
>  That's what I did when I reinstalled. 
Thks, at least now I know a safe route =)

>  > Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a
> Linux
>  > rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  > "hidden" partitions? Could this work?
>
>  You could try it I suppose, if it doesn't work, you could try the
>  more drastic approach. 
Guess I'll give it a try as soon as I can. Seems I'm screwed anyway,
wouldn't hurt to try it...

I realized I might not need gparted, fdisk might be able to do it. I
could try to set /dev/sda[12] to type 17 (hidden HPFS/NTFS) -- I just
tried it with the (empty) NTFS partition on /dev/sda3. Question:
changing a partition's type shouldn't alter any of its data, should
it?

Thks again,

Andre

[Andre Costa]

Hi Rick,

On 8/10/07, Rick Stevens <rstevens(a)internap.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 19:03 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > Hi Aaron, thks for stepping in.
>  >
>  > On 8/10/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  > > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > > > Hi,
>  > > >
>  > > > this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  > > > this already...
>  > > >
>  > > > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  > > > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  > > > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  > > > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  > > > =)
>  > > >
>  > > > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  > > > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  > > > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It
> doesn't
>  > > > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  > > > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  > > > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  > > > expected.
>  > > >
>  > > > I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through
> this
>  > > > already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  > > > disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  > > > be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  > > >
>  > > > Is that true?
>  > >
>  > > It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  > > yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>  > > fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>  > >
>  > > However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  > > retry your XP install.
>  >
>  > I haven't created a partition for XP, but I just did that with gparted
>  > on the empty partition, and marked it as HPFS/NTFS (type 7):
>  >
>  > ~ fdisk -l
>  >
>  > Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
>  > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
>  > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>  >
>  >    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>  > /dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
>  > /dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM
>  > /dev/sda3           10468       30401   160119855    7  HPFS/NTFS
>  >
>  > Still, nothing happens. ... stupid XP, I can't believe I'll have to
>  > reinstall everything because of it =/
>  >
>  > If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  > installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?
>  >
>  > Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
>  > rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  > "hidden" partitions? Could this work?
>
>  All versions of Windows (except perhaps Vista...haven't tried it) think
>  they they own the entire system.  If there's any non-Microsoft
>  filesystem on the disk, the installer stalls.  You have to purge the
>  disk and install Windows first.  When you install Windows, only give
>  it as much disk as you want...make sure the rest is "unused space".
>
>  NOW you can install Fedora.  Anaconda will see the Windows stuff and
>  add it to the grub configuration allowing you to multiboot. 
Sounds pretty much like MS usual way of handling things, right? ;-)

Thks for the info, it really looks like I'll need to redo the whole
thing, starting with XP this time -- unless my "partition hiding" move
described on a previous message works... fingers crossed ;-)

Regards,

Andre

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 19:03 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  Hi Aaron, thks for stepping in.
>  
>  On 8/10/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  > > this already...
>  > >
>  > > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  > > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  > > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  > > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  > > =)
>  > >
>  > > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  > > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  > > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It
> doesn't
>  > > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  > > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  > > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  > > expected.
>  > >
>  > > I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through this
>  > > already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  > > disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  > > be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  > >
>  > > Is that true?
>  >
>  > It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  > yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>  > fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>  >
>  > However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  > retry your XP install.
>  
>  I haven't created a partition for XP, but I just did that with gparted
>  on the empty partition, and marked it as HPFS/NTFS (type 7):
>  
>  ~ fdisk -l
>  
>  Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
>  255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
>  Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>  
>     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>  /dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
>  /dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM
>  /dev/sda3           10468       30401   160119855    7  HPFS/NTFS
>  
>  Still, nothing happens. ... stupid XP, I can't believe I'll have to
>  reinstall everything because of it =/
>  
>  If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?
>  
>  Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
>  rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  "hidden" partitions? Could this work?
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Andre 
I apologize for not mentioning the possibility of using gparted. But I am still 
confused. Where is your swap partition. Part of the problem is that XP
deals with the partition table differently than Linux.

If you have to start again this is what to do. Repartition the disk from
scratch using fdisk from rescue mode . Arrange to install XP first on
the first partition. Then install Linux and I am sure it will work. I
have done this many times and with this arrangement things work.

But please assign a swap partition. Also when installing Linux use the
Custom partitioning option.
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[Aaron Konstam]

<snip>
>  
>  I realized I might not need gparted, fdisk might be able to do it. I
>  could try to set /dev/sda[12] to type 17 (hidden HPFS/NTFS) -- I just
>  tried it with the (empty) NTFS partition on /dev/sda3. Question:
>  changing a partition's type shouldn't alter any of its data, should
>  it?
>  
>  Thks again,
>  
>  Andre
>   
No the XP partition should be type 7.
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[Andre Costa]

Hi Aaron,

On 8/11/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 19:03 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > Hi Aaron, thks for stepping in.
>  >
>  > On 8/10/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  > > On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>  > > > Hi,
>  > > >
>  > > > this is somehow off-topic, but hopefully someone here has been through
>  > > > this already...
>  > > >
>  > > > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo), with
>  > > > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
>  > > > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
>  > > > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
>  > > > =)
>  > > >
>  > > > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
>  > > > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
>  > > > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It
> doesn't
>  > > > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
>  > > > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
>  > > > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
>  > > > expected.
>  > > >
>  > > > I talked to IT guys at work and they told me they've been through
> this
>  > > > already lots of times, it seems XP is unable to properly recognize the
>  > > > disk when only Linux is installed on it (?!?), and only solution would
>  > > > be to reformat the whole thing and install XP first.
>  > > >
>  > > > Is that true?
>  > >
>  > > It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  > > yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>  > > fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>  > >
>  > > However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  > > retry your XP install.
>  >
>  > I haven't created a partition for XP, but I just did that with gparted
>  > on the empty partition, and marked it as HPFS/NTFS (type 7):
>  >
>  > ~ fdisk -l
>  >
>  > Disk /dev/sda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
>  > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
>  > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>  >
>  >    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>  > /dev/sda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
>  > /dev/sda2              14       10467    83971755   8e  Linux LVM
>  > /dev/sda3           10468       30401   160119855    7  HPFS/NTFS
>  >
>  > Still, nothing happens. ... stupid XP, I can't believe I'll have to
>  > reinstall everything because of it =/
>  >
>  > If that's really the case, what should I do? Reboot from Fedora
>  > installation CD into rescue mode, run fdisk and remove all partitions?
>  >
>  > Something just occurred to me: what if I managed to boot from a Linux
>  > rescue CD, ran gparted and marked both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 as
>  > "hidden" partitions? Could this work?
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > Andre
>
>  I apologize for not mentioning the possibility of using gparted. But I am still
>  confused. Where is your swap partition. Part of the problem is that XP
>  deals with the partition table differently than Linux. 
The swap partition is "inside" the LVM partition, as suggested by
anaconda during installation.

>  If you have to start again this is what to do. Repartition the disk
> from
>  scratch using fdisk from rescue mode . Arrange to install XP first on
>  the first partition. Then install Linux and I am sure it will work. I
>  have done this many times and with this arrangement things work. 
Cool, thks for confirming that. NTFS will occupy the first 150G, can
this be a problem for grub?

>  But please assign a swap partition. Also when installing Linux use
> the
>  Custom partitioning option. 
Will do that, thks again.

Regards,

Andre

[Andre Costa]

Hi Aaron,

On 8/11/07, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:
>  <snip>
>  >
>  > I realized I might not need gparted, fdisk might be able to do it. I
>  > could try to set /dev/sda[12] to type 17 (hidden HPFS/NTFS) -- I just
>  > tried it with the (empty) NTFS partition on /dev/sda3. Question:
>  > changing a partition's type shouldn't alter any of its data, should
>  > it?
>  >
>  > Thks again,
>  >
>  > Andre
>  >
>  No the XP partition should be type 7. 
Sorry, I guess I didn't express myself right. I just tried setting
/dev/sda3 as type 17 to see if messing with it would be trivial. What
I was asking was if it would work with my "live" Linux partitions
(/dev/sda[12]). I'll try it tomorrow, after backing up what I've
installed so far.

Thks again,

Andre

[Matthew Flaschen]

André Costa wrote:

>  Cool, thks for confirming that. NTFS will occupy the first 150G, can
>  this be a problem for grub? 
No, because the file system is not occupying the MBR
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record).  The Windows boot
loader *will* be installed to the MBR, but GRUB stage 1 will overwrite
this when you install Fedora, and that's okay because GRUB definitely
knows how to load Windows.

Matt Flaschen

[Aaron Konstam]

<snip>
>  
>  > If you have to start again this is what to do. Repartition the disk from
>  > scratch using fdisk from rescue mode . Arrange to install XP first on
>  > the first partition. Then install Linux and I am sure it will work. I
>  > have done this many times and with this arrangement things work.
>  
>  Cool, thks for confirming that. NTFS will occupy the first 150G, can
>  this be a problem for grub? 
It is not a problem for grub
>  
>  > But please assign a swap partition. Also when installing Linux use the
>  > Custom partitioning option.
>  
>  Will do that, thks again.
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Andre
>   
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[Robert L Cochran]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 18:07 -0300, André Costa wrote:
>     
[much snippage]

> > I just bought a shiny new Core 2 Duo machine (Intel DG33BU mobo),
> with
> > a nice 250G SATA disk. Fedora 7 installation went surprisingly well
> > (and fast), only problem was that onboard NIC was not recognized, but
> > upgrading the kernel offline fixed this. Everything is amazingly fast
> > =)
> >
> > BUT... I need this machine to dual-boot to Windows XP (still addicted
> > to some Windows-only games =( ). XP setup CD hangs just after showing
> > "examining hardware configuration" or something like that. It doesn't
> > really hangs, it just switches to a blank screen and sits there
> > forever (I already left it there for more than 15min to no avail).
> > Keyboard is responsive and HD led stays on. CTRL+ALT+DEL reboots as
> > expected.
> >      
[snippage]

It is true that it is better to install XP first. I have had cases like
>  yours. Did you create a partition for XP? One can not tell from your
>
>  fdisk -l output. If not you are lost.
>
>  However, If there is such a partition. make it type 7 with fdisk. Then
>  retry your XP install.
>     
I'm doing a variation of what Andre did. I replaced a crashed hard drive 
on a computer. Until I can find the restore CD to restore Windows XP, I 
want to install Fedora 7 first just to test things out a bit and shake 
the system down for other defects. It is still important that I be able 
to install Windows XP but that will have to wait for a few days at 
least. So here is what I did:

Created a Linux partition /dev/sda4 of partition type 83 from cylinder 
26901 to 30401. This was my first step. I thought if I did this, the 
anaconda installer for Fedora 7 would see my handiwork and not disturb 
cylinders 1 through 26900. How wrong I was.

Created a large NTFS partition /dev/sda1 (of partition type 87, not type 
7) using the FDISK that is on the Fedora 7 DVD. This partition is from 
cylinders 1 to 26900.

Wrote the partition table change to disk, then started the Fedora 7 
installation. Now results are much better. The installer did change the 
Linux partition number from /dev/sda4 to /dev/sda3, but it looks okay. 
And the installation is pretty fast too even on a system with only 256 
Mb of RAM. Thank heavens for a reasonably quick drive with an 8 Mb cache.

Question: do my actions make sense? Will I be able to install Windows XP 
without a problem considering I have an NTFS partition type of 87? Or 
should I change this (post-Fedora install) to partition type 7?

Thanks

Bob Cochran

[potat0]

I had WinXP & F9. Yesterday I tried to reinstall WinXP and it was successfull after
partition hide with gparted.

But now I have problem with MBR. I hadn't any linux cd/dvd so downloaded F9 KDE Live
(Full linux dvd download about 36 hours). I run F9 KDE Live and try to fix MBR. 1 - mount
boot disk as /boot, 2 - grub-install /dev/my_boot_disk .grub-install says what everything
was successfull, but after restart never changes. Tried to run grub-install 2 times.

Where can be a problem? Or I need to start download F9-full?

Thanks.


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MKas wrote:
>  I had WinXP & F9. Yesterday I tried to reinstall WinXP and it
> was
>  successfull after partition hide with gparted.
>  
>  But now I have problem with MBR. I hadn't any linux cd/dvd so
>  downloaded F9 KDE Live (Full linux dvd download about 36 hours). I
>  run F9 KDE Live and try to fix MBR. 1 - mount boot disk as /boot, 2
>  - grub-install /dev/my_boot_disk .grub-install says what everything
>  was successfull, but after restart never changes. Tried to run
>  grub-install 2 times.
>  
>  Where can be a problem? Or I need to start download F9-full?>
>  Thanks.
>   
Do not mount the disk as /boot. Instead try something like this:

mkdir /mnt/tmp
mount <F9 root partition> /mnt/tmp
chroot /mnt/tmp

If /boot is on a separate partition, run "mount /boot".

Run grub-install.

Mikkel
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