Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 22:42 +0100, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
I use Evolution myself (with two Google accounts including this one) but Thunderbird should work perfectly well. It would be useful to see the exact error message you're getting, but note that if you have 2FA configured for the account you may need to use the Gnome Online Accounts widget to set it up.
poc
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Douglas G Mckendrick via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
You can't always believe what you read on the Internet, even if it's from "Do No Evil" Google.'
Mozilla says they are blowing smoke: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1044903
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is /shared/.
Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.
TEmlakos
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0400 Temlakos temlakos@gmail.com wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
I use claws which is simple and fast. It's a bit idiosyncratic but there's a very active email support list. Works well for me.
D
Tuesday 11th June messages top posting of previous messages. not sure how to bottom post from phone....
Thanks Temlakos, Ted, Frank and Patrick.
I've got Thunderbird up and running, I had an idea it was Google wanting some monopoly. I just wasn't too sure, I figured Google was still a friend. What would be interesting is, what exactly you lose in security? Maybe just the benefit of cross platform information and pin codes? I still received an email for log in. I managed to find emacs, woohoo! Although Vim users might be more a boohoo lol. Next question... Is there still an rpm repository you can search? I'm not too keen on the new software list. It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of software, more fedora recommendations? Unless maybe it was the updates needed doing first.
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, 00:41 Temlakos, temlakos@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is *shared*.
Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:49:29 -0400 Ted Roche wrote:
Mozilla says they are blowing smoke: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1044903
I agree. I enable pop and imap so I can use fetchmail and I just ignore all the warnings google sends me every so often.
I suppose I'd be willing to switch to OAUTH2 if a version of fetchmail ever showed up that officially supported it, but all I hear about are rumors and unofficial patches the last time I checked.
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:55:42 +0100 Douglas G Mckendrick via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Is there still an rpm repository you can search? I'm not too keen on the new software list. It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of software, more fedora recommendations? Unless maybe it was the updates needed doing first.
If you ran dnf update then it would only show you updates for already installed packages.
Try dnf search <some phrase> | less to see what is available with that phrase associated. Can be a lot, thus the pipe to less.
On 6/10/19 4:55 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Is there still an rpm repository you can search? I'm not too keen on the new software list. It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of software, more fedora recommendations? Unless maybe it was the updates needed doing first.
If you want to search everything, you need to use dnf on the command line. The Gnome Software application only shows graphical applications, not libraries or command line tools. (It will do updates of everything though.)
On 11/06/2019 05:44, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 6/10/19 4:55 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Is there still an rpm repository you can search? I'm not too keen on the new software list. It doesn't seem to want to show all searches of software, more fedora recommendations? Unless maybe it was the updates needed doing first.
If you want to search everything, you need to use dnf on the command line. The Gnome Software application only shows graphical applications, not libraries or command line tools. (It will do updates of everything though.)
In the el7 clone, SL7, I find yumex, the Yum Extender, is a useful graphical package manager. It's in the epel repo.
Yumex-dnf seems to have been dropped. I think the nearest equivalent in F30 is probably dnfdragora. I sometimes use it in F29.
Raw package lists here:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Everything/x86_64/...
John P
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 18:49 -0400, Ted Roche wrote:
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Douglas G Mckendrick via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
You can't always believe what you read on the Internet, even if it's from "Do No Evil" Google.'
It's 4 years old and is not (contrary to what you say) a post from Mozilla, but from someone on the Mozilla forum.
poc
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 19:24 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose.
Not so. As I said above, I use it with Evolution. I occasionally have to renew my credentials but it works fine. I'm using it to post this.
poc
On 6/11/19 6:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 19:24 -0400, Temlakos wrote:
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose.
Not so. As I said above, I use it with Evolution. I occasionally have to renew my credentials but it works fine. I'm using it to post this.
As far as T-Bird and Google are concerned. I have the following setting in my Google Account.
"To protect your account, apps and devices that use less secure sign-in technology are blocked."
And, I use T-Bird with my Security Settings as SSL/TLS and OAuth2.
So, it seems Google is just fine and not blocking T-Bird usage. I'm sure that is much the same for Evolution.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:35 AM Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
It's 4 years old and is not (contrary to what you say) a post from Mozilla, but from someone on the Mozilla forum.
That's true; I apologize for misstating the source.
On 6/10/19 7:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:
On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:
Evening all, I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not being secure enough. Is there another recommended email client? Or can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?
Thanks in advance
D.
Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser interface, is /shared/.
Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.
TEmlakos
I have recently come back to Thunderbird after using a clone of an earlier Mozilla product. I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it. I would use something else with a similar interface, but Thunderbird is the only app that I have encountered that can automatically find and configure the various software addresses and so on that most other applications require--digital numbers that I have no idea of. If I can't answer the setup questions, I can't try a different mail product. (Running Linux in two different KDE versions.) Please advise. --doug
On 6/11/19 8:06 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 6/12/19 4:13 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.
Really?
Message Filters don't work properly for you?
I'll give that a try. As I mentioned, I'm not a recent user of Thunderbird, so I don't know how it works, exactly. One other thing: Several times, every single incoming mail has been marked junk. I know there is a multi-key command that will unmark the entire list, but I don't remember what it is. Help, anyone? Thanx! --doug
On 6/12/19 4:13 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.
Really?
Message Filters don't work properly for you?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:13:30 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote:
I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.
This sort of thing is why I now go to the totally insane trouble of using fetchmail to suck all my mail off gmail and send it to a local dovecot IMAP server which supports the sieve filtering system. Sieve is about 10,000 times more capable and useful than any mail client filters I've ever encountered (plus by having all my mail on a local IMAP server, I can switch mail client with ease and have no problems migrating mail from one to another - not that I want to switch away from claws-mail :-).
On 6/12/19 5:58 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Several times, every single incoming mail has been marked junk. I know there is a multi-key command that will unmark the entire list, but I don't remember what it is. Help, anyone? Thanx!
Ctrl-A (Selects all messages) Shift-J (Marks all as Not Junk)
On Tue, 2019-06-11 at 20:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:13:30 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote:
I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.
This sort of thing is why I now go to the totally insane trouble of using fetchmail to suck all my mail off gmail and send it to a local dovecot IMAP server which supports the sieve filtering system. Sieve is about 10,000 times more capable and useful than any mail client filters I've ever encountered (plus by having all my mail on a local IMAP server, I can switch mail client with ease and have no problems migrating mail from one to another - not that I want to switch away from claws-mail :-).
Well, IMAP is of course preferable for this and other reasons. I actually use Gmail via IMAP. I find its spam filter to be excellent.
poc
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