Libreoffice problem related to PDF forms

[Joachim Backes]

Hi all,
I don't know if that's the right place for my question, but let me try:

I'running F20 with libreoffice-4.1.4.2-5.fc20.x86_64 including
libreoffice-pdfimport-4.1.4.2-5.fc20. Additionally I have some PDF file
with form entries (printable, but but not storable). I can open this PDF
file with acroread or evince without any password request and fill out
some form entries. The filled out file cannot be saved.

But if I try to import (open) this PDF file in libreoffice draw, some
password is requested.

PDF file properties:

pdfinfo Desktop/s.pdf
Producer:       Acrobat Distiller 5.0.5 (Windows)
CreationDate:   Thu Mar 13 10:13:48 2003
ModDate:        Wed Dec  8 08:27:26 2004
Tagged:         no
Form:           AcroForm
Pages:          4
Encrypted:      yes (print:yes copy:yes change:no addNotes:yes
algorithm:RC4)
Page size:      596 x 842 pts (A4)
Page rot:       0
File size:      179424 bytes
Optimized:      yes
PDF version:    1.5

Anybody can explain this?

Kind regards

Joachim Backes

Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
Kernel-3.12.9-300.fc20.x86_64

Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes

[poma]

On 28.01.2014 11:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
…
>  I'running F20 with libreoffice-4.1.4.2-5.fc20.x86_64 including
>  libreoffice-pdfimport-4.1.4.2-5.fc20. Additionally I have some PDF file
>  with form entries (printable, but but not storable). I can open this PDF
>  file with acroread or evince without any password request and fill out
>  some form entries. The filled out file cannot be saved.
>  
>  But if I try to import (open) this PDF file in libreoffice draw, some
>  password is requested. 
…
>  Encrypted:      yes (print:yes copy:yes change:no addNotes:yes
"change:no":
- read&fill(evince) - no passwd
- edit(libreoffice) - passwd

$ rpm -qi libreoffice-pdfimport
…
Description :
The PDF Importer imports PDF into drawing documents to preserve layout
and enable basic *editing* of PDF documents.


poma

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/28/14 18:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  I don't know if that's the right place for my question, but let me try:
>
>  I'running F20 with libreoffice-4.1.4.2-5.fc20.x86_64 including
>  libreoffice-pdfimport-4.1.4.2-5.fc20. Additionally I have some PDF file
>  with form entries (printable, but but not storable). I can open this PDF
>  file with acroread or evince without any password request and fill out
>  some form entries. The filled out file cannot be saved.
>
>  But if I try to import (open) this PDF file in libreoffice draw, some
>  password is requested.
>
>  PDF file properties:
>
>  pdfinfo Desktop/s.pdf
>  Producer:       Acrobat Distiller 5.0.5 (Windows)
>  CreationDate:   Thu Mar 13 10:13:48 2003
>  ModDate:        Wed Dec  8 08:27:26 2004
>  Tagged:         no
>  Form:           AcroForm
>  Pages:          4
>  Encrypted:      yes (print:yes copy:yes change:no addNotes:yes
>  algorithm:RC4)
>  Page size:      596 x 842 pts (A4)
>  Page rot:       0
>  File size:      179424 bytes
>  Optimized:      yes
>  PDF version:    1.5
>
>  Anybody can explain this?
>  
I believe so....

You said the PDF files are forms which are "printable but not storable".  Well,
if you were to import the PDF into libreoffice that would circumvent the intention of the
author of the PDF.  You'd now be able to store the contents of the filled out form.

So, it is logical that there is a password protection on that sort of function.


-- 
Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts

[Robin Laing]

On 2014-02-02 14:34, Joachim Backes wrote:
>  On 02/02/2014 09:51 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
> > On 2014-01-28 03:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
> >> Hi all, 
  snip

> >>
> >> Anybody can explain this?
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Joachim Backes
> >>
> >> Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
> >> Kernel-3.12.9-300.fc20.x86_64
> >>
> >> Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
> >> https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes
> >>
> >
> > I have used GIMP to fill in forms in the past.
> >
> > My wife has used both Okular and Evince to fill in pdf forms.
> >
> > I have used Evince as well.
> >
> > Robin
>
>  Hi Robin, filling out the forms is _not_ tho problem. I know I can do
>  this by using evince or acroread or some other...
>
>  What I need is to advance such printable only forms so I can create new
>  forms from them, allowing still filling out, but additionally being
>  storable.
>
>  The simple question is: what prevents LO from importing such printable
>  only forms?
>
>  Kind regards
>
>  Joachim Backes
>  
Look at using the GIMP to do that.  You may be able to do something with 
either of the other two programs I mentioned.

If it is that LibreOffice is honouring the password rules, then the 
other programs may over ride them and allow you to save the form in a 
format that is now workable in LibreOffice.

I don't know if you can print the form to a pdf and then convert it back 
to a form.

A quick search shows that you can possible remove passwords using 
command line options.

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/removing-password-from-pdf-on-linux/

Ghostscript may be able to strip the passwords according to the above link.

pdfcrack is also available.


Robin

[Joachim Backes]

On 02/02/2014 10:58 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
>  On 2014-02-02 14:34, Joachim Backes wrote:
> > On 02/02/2014 09:51 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
> >> On 2014-01-28 03:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
>  
>    snip
>  
> >>>
> >>> Anybody can explain this?
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards
> >>>
> >>> Joachim Backes
> >>>
> >>> Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
> >>> Kernel-3.12.9-300.fc20.x86_64
> >>>
> >>> Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
> >>> https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have used GIMP to fill in forms in the past.
> >>
> >> My wife has used both Okular and Evince to fill in pdf forms.
> >>
> >> I have used Evince as well.
> >>
> >> Robin
> >
> > Hi Robin, filling out the forms is _not_ tho problem. I know I can do
> > this by using evince or acroread or some other...
> >
> > What I need is to advance such printable only forms so I can create new
> > forms from them, allowing still filling out, but additionally being
> > storable.
> >
> > The simple question is: what prevents LO from importing such printable
> > only forms?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Joachim Backes
> >
>  
>  Look at using the GIMP to do that.  You may be able to do something with 
>  either of the other two programs I mentioned.
>  
>  If it is that LibreOffice is honouring the password rules, then the 
>  other programs may over ride them and allow you to save the form in a 
>  format that is now workable in LibreOffice.
>  
>  I don't know if you can print the form to a pdf and then convert it back 
>  to a form.
>  
>  A quick search shows that you can possible remove passwords using 
>  command line options.
>  
>  http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/removing-password-from-pdf-on-linux/
>  
>  Ghostscript may be able to strip the passwords according to the above link.
>  
>  pdfcrack is also available.
>  
>  
>  Robin
>  
>  
>   
Hi Robin,

the last method on

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/removing-password-from-pdf-on-linux/

using _gs_ helps me a lot: now it is possible to import such PDF's into
LO and edit them.

Thank you very much, and kind regards

Joachim Backes

-- 

Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
Kernel-3.12.9-301.fc20.x86_64


Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/de-index.html
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/en-index.html

[Joachim Backes]

On 02/02/2014 09:51 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
>  On 2014-01-28 03:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I don't know if that's the right place for my question, but let me try:
> >
> > I'running F20 with libreoffice-4.1.4.2-5.fc20.x86_64 including
> > libreoffice-pdfimport-4.1.4.2-5.fc20. Additionally I have some PDF file
> > with form entries (printable, but but not storable). I can open this PDF
> > file with acroread or evince without any password request and fill out
> > some form entries. The filled out file cannot be saved.
> >
> > But if I try to import (open) this PDF file in libreoffice draw, some
> > password is requested.
> >
> > PDF file properties:
> >
> > pdfinfo Desktop/s.pdf
> > Producer:       Acrobat Distiller 5.0.5 (Windows)
> > CreationDate:   Thu Mar 13 10:13:48 2003
> > ModDate:        Wed Dec  8 08:27:26 2004
> > Tagged:         no
> > Form:           AcroForm
> > Pages:          4
> > Encrypted:      yes (print:yes copy:yes change:no addNotes:yes
> > algorithm:RC4)
> > Page size:      596 x 842 pts (A4)
> > Page rot:       0
> > File size:      179424 bytes
> > Optimized:      yes
> > PDF version:    1.5
> >
> > Anybody can explain this?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Joachim Backes
> >
> > Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
> > Kernel-3.12.9-300.fc20.x86_64
> >
> > Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
> > https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes
> >
>  
>  I have used GIMP to fill in forms in the past.
>  
>  My wife has used both Okular and Evince to fill in pdf forms.
>  
>  I have used Evince as well.
>  
>  Robin 
Hi Robin, filling out the forms is _not_ tho problem. I know I can do
this by using evince or acroread or some other...

What I need is to advance such printable only forms so I can create new
forms from them, allowing still filling out, but additionally being
storable.

The simple question is: what prevents LO from importing such printable
only forms?

Kind regards

Joachim Backes

-- 

Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
Kernel-3.12.9-301.fc20.x86_64


Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/de-index.html
https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/en-index.html

[Robin Laing]

On 2014-01-28 03:57, Joachim Backes wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  I don't know if that's the right place for my question, but let me try:
>
>  I'running F20 with libreoffice-4.1.4.2-5.fc20.x86_64 including
>  libreoffice-pdfimport-4.1.4.2-5.fc20. Additionally I have some PDF file
>  with form entries (printable, but but not storable). I can open this PDF
>  file with acroread or evince without any password request and fill out
>  some form entries. The filled out file cannot be saved.
>
>  But if I try to import (open) this PDF file in libreoffice draw, some
>  password is requested.
>
>  PDF file properties:
>
>  pdfinfo Desktop/s.pdf
>  Producer:       Acrobat Distiller 5.0.5 (Windows)
>  CreationDate:   Thu Mar 13 10:13:48 2003
>  ModDate:        Wed Dec  8 08:27:26 2004
>  Tagged:         no
>  Form:           AcroForm
>  Pages:          4
>  Encrypted:      yes (print:yes copy:yes change:no addNotes:yes
>  algorithm:RC4)
>  Page size:      596 x 842 pts (A4)
>  Page rot:       0
>  File size:      179424 bytes
>  Optimized:      yes
>  PDF version:    1.5
>
>  Anybody can explain this?
>
>  Kind regards
>
>  Joachim Backes
>
>  Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
>  Kernel-3.12.9-300.fc20.x86_64
>
>  Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de&gt;
>  https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes
>  
I have used GIMP to fill in forms in the past.

My wife has used both Okular and Evince to fill in pdf forms.

I have used Evince as well.

Robin