4:42 a.m.
Hi,
I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have
configure the PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now
getting audio output through the headset. The issue I have is that
pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output and mono input for the mic,
how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1 surround sound that the
headset actually supplies?
regards,
Steve
6:03 p.m.
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 21:42:32 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have
configure the PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now
getting audio output through the headset. The issue I have is that
pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output and mono input for the
mic, how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1 surround sound
that the headset actually supplies?
Do you have pavucontrol installed. If you go to the last tab,
configuration, and click on the device, it should show you all the
available options you can select. Select it there, and you should be
good to go.
If it doesn't show the desired configuration options, you should
probably open a bugzilla, but that is unlikely, as these are inherited
from alsa, and it should have queried your device and identified the
hardware.
2:34 a.m.
On 07/11/2017 11:03, stan wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 21:42:32 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
> I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have
> configure the PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now
> getting audio output through the headset. The issue I have is that
> pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output and mono input for the
> mic, how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1 surround sound
> that the headset actually supplies?
Do you have pavucontrol installed. If you go to the last tab,
configuration, and click on the device, it should show you all the
available options you can select. Select it there, and you should be
good to go.
If it doesn't show the desired configuration options, you should
probably open a bugzilla, but that is unlikely, as these are inherited
from alsa, and it should have queried your device and identified the
hardware.
I have pavucontrol installed and the config tab for my headset which
pulseaudio recognized, only has the options of 'Digital Stereo Output +
Mono Input', 'Digital Stereo Output', 'Mono Input' and 'Off',
but
pulseaudio did not select the headset by default, I had to manually
select it from pavucontrol.
regards,
Steve
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1:22 p.m.
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 19:34:22 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
I have pavucontrol installed and the config tab for my headset which
pulseaudio recognized, only has the options of 'Digital Stereo Output
+ Mono Input', 'Digital Stereo Output', 'Mono Input' and
'Off', but
pulseaudio did not select the headset by default, I had to manually
select it from pavucontrol.
That's not unusual, since the default is device 0, and that usually is
the on board audio. You can set it as default in the pavucontrol
output devices tab (called fallback there).
It seems that alsa doesn't support the functionality of this device (at
least I couldn't find any support). Check by typing
aplay -Lv
to see if there is a 7.1 selection for the device in the output. If
there isn't, you won't get it working under pulse beyond the stereo you
already have. It might be in development, you could ask on the alsa
user or devel mailing lists.
When I was checking I saw this in a publicity blurb,
... The G533 is for Windows PCs only, ...
... The new headset carries over the same Pro-G audio drivers, ...
Those drivers are what will create the imitation 7.1 for the 2 speakers
in the headphones, as Tim stated. They *won't* be available for linux,
so unless someone has reverse engineered them, there won't be 7.1
functionality in linux.
...
The Logitech G533 features an exceptional implementation of DTS
Headphone: X… for Windows users.
DTS Headphone: X is one of my favorite virtual surround systems…but its
implementation is somewhat up to the headset manufacturer. DTS will
work with the other company to tune the algorithm to their specific
product.
...
2:15 a.m.
On 08/11/2017 06:22, stan wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 19:34:22 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
> I have pavucontrol installed and the config tab for my headset which
> pulseaudio recognized, only has the options of 'Digital Stereo Output
> + Mono Input', 'Digital Stereo Output', 'Mono Input' and
'Off', but
> pulseaudio did not select the headset by default, I had to manually
> select it from pavucontrol.
That's not unusual, since the default is device 0, and that usually is
the on board audio. You can set it as default in the pavucontrol
output devices tab (called fallback there).
It seems that alsa doesn't support the functionality of this device (at
least I couldn't find any support). Check by typing
aplay -Lv
to see if there is a 7.1 selection for the device in the output. If
there isn't, you won't get it working under pulse beyond the stereo you
already have. It might be in development, you could ask on the alsa
user or devel mailing lists.
When I was checking I saw this in a publicity blurb,
... The G533 is for Windows PCs only, ...
... The new headset carries over the same Pro-G audio drivers, ...
Those drivers are what will create the imitation 7.1 for the 2 speakers
in the headphones, as Tim stated. They *won't* be available for linux,
so unless someone has reverse engineered them, there won't be 7.1
functionality in linux.
...
The Logitech G533 features an exceptional implementation of DTS
Headphone: X… for Windows users.
DTS Headphone: X is one of my favorite virtual surround systems…but its
implementation is somewhat up to the headset manufacturer. DTS will
work with the other company to tune the algorithm to their specific
product.
...
Hi stan, Ed replied in another thread that he found some info that says
that Logitech software is required to get the functionality which is not
available for Linux, so it looks like surround won't work.
I issued the command aplay -Lv and I've put the output below. The output
snippet I've supplied seems to be indicating that it thinks the headset
is capable of surround sound, but I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the
information correctly.
sysdefault:CARD=Headset
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
Front speakers
surround21:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
2.1 Surround output to Front and Subwoofer speakers
surround40:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
iec958:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
regards,
Steve
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3:15 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:15:05 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
Hi stan, Ed replied in another thread that he found some info that
says that Logitech software is required to get the functionality
which is not available for Linux, so it looks like surround won't
work.
I issued the command aplay -Lv and I've put the output below. The
output snippet I've supplied seems to be indicating that it thinks
the headset is capable of surround sound, but I'm not sure if I'm
interpreting the information correctly.
sysdefault:CARD=Headset
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
Front speakers
surround21:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
2.1 Surround output to Front and Subwoofer speakers
surround40:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer
speakers iec958:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
That's how I would interpret it. I also have a usb sound device, and
I get that 7.1 entry, so it might just be generic to usb. It's easy to
check. Run the command
aplay -lv
and it should give you the subdevice to access the 7.1 on the headset,
as counter intuitively a device [digit] output.
e.g.card 2: Revolution51 [M Audio Revolution-5.1], device 1: ICE1724
IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
If there isn't one for 7.1 for the headset, then it is just a generic
template for usb devices, and you are out of luck. That's what I get
for my usb device.
If there is one, then put on the headset, and play a wav file with the
following command. It has to be wav because aplay doesn't have any
decoding logic. You could probably use sox to convert something if you
don't have a wav file.
aplay -D plughw:0,[subdevice number goes here] [wav file name]
e.g. aplay -D plughw:0,6 pretty_song.wav
You could try different numbers from 0 through 7 as the second digit,
regardless of the aplay results, to see if there is any difference in
sound. One of them is likely to be IEC958 output, which is digital, so
will not be pleasant on your ears.
All that said, I think you are correct that surround won't work.
DTS:X will be a head related transfer function (HRTF). Those are
complex, so I doubt it is engineered into alsa, though an enterprising
coder might have taken it as a challenge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function
4:07 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 14:15:32 -0700
stan <stanl-fedorauser(a)vfemail.net> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:15:05 +1100
Stephen Morris <samorris(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
> Hi stan, Ed replied in another thread that he found some info that
> says that Logitech software is required to get the functionality
> which is not available for Linux, so it looks like surround won't
> work.
>
> I issued the command aplay -Lv and I've put the output below. The
> output snippet I've supplied seems to be indicating that it thinks
> the headset is capable of surround sound, but I'm not sure if I'm
> interpreting the information correctly.
>
>
> sysdefault:CARD=Headset
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> Default Audio Device
> front:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> Front speakers
> surround21:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 2.1 Surround output to Front and Subwoofer speakers
> surround40:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
> surround41:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
> surround50:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
> surround51:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer
> speakers surround71:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer
> speakers iec958:CARD=Headset,DEV=0
> G533 Gaming Headset, USB Audio
> IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output
That's how I would interpret it. I also have a usb sound device, and
I get that 7.1 entry, so it might just be generic to usb. It's easy
to check. Run the command
aplay -lv
and it should give you the subdevice to access the 7.1 on the headset,
as counter intuitively a device [digit] output.
e.g.card 2: Revolution51 [M Audio Revolution-5.1], device 1: ICE1724
IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
If there isn't one for 7.1 for the headset, then it is just a generic
template for usb devices, and you are out of luck. That's what I get
for my usb device.
If there is one, then put on the headset, and play a wav file with the
following command. It has to be wav because aplay doesn't have any
decoding logic. You could probably use sox to convert something if
you don't have a wav file.
aplay -D plughw:0,[subdevice number goes here] [wav file name]
e.g. aplay -D plughw:0,6 pretty_song.wav
You could try different numbers from 0 through 7 as the second digit,
regardless of the aplay results, to see if there is any difference in
sound. One of them is likely to be IEC958 output, which is digital, so
will not be pleasant on your ears.
All that said, I think you are correct that surround won't work.
DTS:X will be a head related transfer function (HRTF). Those are
complex, so I doubt it is engineered into alsa, though an enterprising
coder might have taken it as a challenge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function
I did some searching on this because I have an interest in a
functioning generic hrtf library in linux for something else, and I
found this post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2ot5ov/enable_system_wide_...
I haven't tried it yet, and it is a few years old, but if it works, it
would allow your g533 headset to be used as a virtual 5.1 in linux. It
might be that there are enhancements to 7.1 more recently in the pulse
hrtf plugin. I haven't checked yet.
4:56 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:07:01 -0700
stan <stanl-fedorauser(a)vfemail.net> wrote:
mplayer has builtin hrtf available, with limitations. You would have
to stream to mplayer from the url in order to do this with netflix, I
think. Here's the blurb from the mplayer docs.
3.9.6. Surround emulation in headphones
MPlayer includes an HRTF (Head Related Transfer Function) filter based
on an MIT project wherein measurements were taken from microphones
mounted on a dummy human head.
Although it is not possible to exactly imitate a surround system,
MPlayer's HRTF filter does provide more spatially immersive audio in
2-channel headphones. Regular downmixing simply combines all the
channels into two; besides combining the channels, hrtf generates
subtle echoes, increases the stereo separation slightly, and alters the
volume of some frequencies. Whether HRTF sounds better may be dependent
on the source audio and a matter of personal taste, but it is
definitely worth trying out.
To play a DVD with HRTF:
mplayer dvd://1 -channels 6 -af hrtf
hrtf only works well with 5 or 6 channels. Also, hrtf requires 48 kHz
audio. DVD audio is already 48 kHz, but if you have a file with a
different sampling rate that you want to play using hrtf you must
resample it:
mplayer filename -channels 6 -af resample=48000,hrtf
4:24 a.m.
Allegedly, on or about 8 November 2017, stan sent:
Whether HRTF sounds better may be dependent on the source audio and
a
matter of personal taste, but it is definitely worth trying out.
I would question the fidelity of it, too. But it can be interesting to
listen to some of these spatiality tricks.
I do a some video production using stereo ambience mikes, and if
someone speaks close by them, but I can't see them, and I'm wearing
headphones, it sounds like they're standing behind me. It's a spooky
effect, especially when you're standing on a platform and someone would
have to be floating a few metres in the air to be able to stand behind
you. ;-)
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1:02 a.m.
On 11/06/2017 02:42 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have
configure the PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now
getting audio output through the headset. The issue I have is that
pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output and mono input for the mic,
how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1 surround sound that the
headset actually supplies?
You could try running alsamixer in a terminal and select the actual
device instead of the pulseaudio output. See what options it has there.
I'm curious how a device with only two speakers can provide 7.1
surround sound. Maybe that's just a feature of the windows driver.
2:44 a.m.
On 07/11/2017 18:02, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/06/2017 02:42 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have
> configure the PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now
> getting audio output through the headset. The issue I have is that
> pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output and mono input for the
> mic, how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1 surround sound
> that the headset actually supplies?
You could try running alsamixer in a terminal and select the actual
device instead of the pulseaudio output. See what options it has
there. I'm curious how a device with only two speakers can provide
7.1 surround sound. Maybe that's just a feature of the windows driver.
I've tried alsamixer and selected the headset from the device list when
using the 'Select Sound Card' option and it only shows a single pcm
slider for playback and a single slider for the mic. I'm not entirely
sure how the headset provides surround sound either but I don't think it
is a function of the Windows driver as the driver used is whatever is
supplied with windows when the usb transmitter is plugged in. Just
plugging the transmitter in is enough for windows to determine that
headphones are connected irrespective of whether or not the headphones
are actually switched on. When I change the sound volume on the headset
I get a volume bar displayed on the screen indicating the volume I'm
setting. When I do the same thing under Fedora I get a similar display
on the screen to show the volume change for Lineout, and I get the same
audio feedback in the headset that I get under windows. What I haven't
done is checked how windows is handling the device and whether it is
providing surround sound options.
regards,
Steve
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3:15 a.m.
Allegedly, on or about 6 November 2017, Samuel Sieb sent:
I'm curious how a device with only two speakers can provide 7.1
surround sound.
They can't. Though there are some headsets with more than two speakers
in them, most (allegedly) surround sound headset do audio tricks by
mixing the different channels in opposite speakers, adding delays, and
equalisation.
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4:57 p.m.
On 11/06/17 18:42, Stephen Morris wrote:
Hi,
I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have configure the
PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now getting audio output through
the headset. The issue I have is that pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output
and mono input for the mic, how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1
surround sound that the headset actually supplies?
Checking around one would find...
"Some profile settings require Logitech Gaming Software to be enabled and are not
supported on Mac, Linux and earlier Windows operating systems. Logitech Gaming
Software is available at our official website."
Could that be the source of the problem?
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2:06 a.m.
On 08/11/2017 09:57, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 11/06/17 18:42, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Logitech G533 Wireless Gaming Headset. Now that I have configure the
> PulseAudio device output to use the headset I am now getting audio output through
> the headset. The issue I have is that pulseaudio only offers digital stereo output
> and mono input for the mic, how do I configure pulseaudio to provide the 7.1
> surround sound that the headset actually supplies?
Checking around one would find...
"Some profile settings require Logitech Gaming Software to be enabled and are not
supported on Mac, Linux and earlier Windows operating systems. Logitech Gaming
Software is available at our official website."
Could that be the source of the problem?
Hi Ed, it could be. The headphones don't come with any software and
Windows 10 is using whatever driver it decided was relevant when the usb
transmitter was inserted. I checked the device properties under Windows
and it has the device configured to stereo as well. I wasn't aware there
were drivers on the logitech web site, so I might check them out. Given
what you found above it looks very much like I'm not going to get
surround functionality under Linux. I wasn't particularly looking for
surround functionality in games, I was hoping to get the surround output
when watching surround sound videos in Netflix.
regards,
Steve
>
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