I'm using Fedora 14 and I think I have the correct RPMs installed in order for Rhythmbox to play MP3s.
$ rpm -q rhythmbox rhythmbox-0.13.3-1.fc14.i686 $ rpm -q gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.fc14.i686
This set up works fine for the vast majority of MP3s that I have. But I've recently bought some MP3s from a download site which Rhythmbox doesn't recognise. There seems to be a difference in format which the 'file' command recognises.
Here's an example of a file that works.
$ file Loose\ Change/01\ -\ The\ A\ Team.mp3 Loose Change/01 - The A Team.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo
And here's an example of one that doesn't.
$ file Songs\ I\ Wrote\ With\ Amy/Songs-I-wrote-with-Amy-2010_Cold-Coffee.mp3 Songs I Wrote With Amy/Songs-I-wrote-with-Amy-2010_Cold-Coffee.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains:
Annoyingly the MP3s work fine on my Android phone and on a Mac. It only seems to be the GStreamer plugin that doesn't play them. And that means that it's unlikely that the download site will listen to any complaints. I should also point out that some MP3s from this site work just fine.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Are there any other tests I can carry out to work out what the differences are?
Cheers,
Dave...
On 23 March 2011 16:35, Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
I'm using Fedora 14 and I think I have the correct RPMs installed in order for Rhythmbox to play MP3s.
$ rpm -q rhythmbox rhythmbox-0.13.3-1.fc14.i686 $ rpm -q gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.16-2.fc14.i686
This set up works fine for the vast majority of MP3s that I have. But I've recently bought some MP3s from a download site which Rhythmbox doesn't recognise. There seems to be a difference in format which the 'file' command recognises.
Here's an example of a file that works.
$ file Loose\ Change/01\ -\ The\ A\ Team.mp3 Loose Change/01 - The A Team.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo
And here's an example of one that doesn't.
$ file Songs\ I\ Wrote\ With\ Amy/Songs-I-wrote-with-Amy-2010_Cold-Coffee.mp3 Songs I Wrote With Amy/Songs-I-wrote-with-Amy-2010_Cold-Coffee.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.4.0, contains:
Annoyingly the MP3s work fine on my Android phone and on a Mac. It only seems to be the GStreamer plugin that doesn't play them. And that means that it's unlikely that the download site will listen to any complaints. I should also point out that some MP3s from this site work just fine.
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Are there any other tests I can carry out to work out what the differences are?
Warnocked :-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_Dilemma
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Are there any other tests I can carry out to work out what the differences are?
Warnocked :-(
I was unfamiliar with Warnock's Dilemma. Thanks for sharing. I suspect the reason you find yourself on this dilemma's horns might be:
1. No one else has run into this. 2. People are waiting to see what else you do to troubleshoot, like: re-download the original files, or check them against a checksum if one is available
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
I was unfamiliar with Warnock's Dilemma. Thanks for sharing. I suspect the reason you find yourself on this dilemma's horns might be:
- No one else has run into this.
- People are waiting to see what else you do to troubleshoot, like:
re-download the original files, or check them against a checksum if one is available
Whoops! Send too soon.
3. Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
On 03/29/2011 10:31 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
4. Or, you can go here, http://www.dnmouse.org/autoten/ and get the fedoraplus, the program formerly known as autoten. Dangermouse, btw, is one of the admins for fedoraforum.org; you can trust his programs to be safe.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
The OP may have more luck re-posting to the RPMFusion or ATRPMS mailing list depending on where he got the Gstreamer plugin package.
Also, is it possible that the MP3 file has DRM? Your android phone probably has a closed source decoder that can handle it.
Richard
On 29 March 2011 18:29, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Are there any other tests I can carry out to work out what the differences are?
Warnocked :-(
I was unfamiliar with Warnock's Dilemma. Thanks for sharing. I suspect the reason you find yourself on this dilemma's horns might be:
- No one else has run into this.
- People are waiting to see what else you do to troubleshoot, like:
re-download the original files, or check them against a checksum if one is available
Thanks for the suggestions. I have redownloaded the files with the same results. And there isn't a checksum available.
Cheers,
Dave...
On 29 March 2011 18:31, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
I was unfamiliar with Warnock's Dilemma. Thanks for sharing. I suspect the reason you find yourself on this dilemma's horns might be:
- No one else has run into this.
- People are waiting to see what else you do to troubleshoot, like:
re-download the original files, or check them against a checksum if one is available
Whoops! Send too soon.
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
That's a very good point. I'll speak to the people at RPMFusion.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
That's also worth trying. Thanks.
Dave...
On 29 March 2011 18:48, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 03/29/2011 10:31 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
- Or, you can go here, http://www.dnmouse.org/autoten/ and get the
fedoraplus, the program formerly known as autoten. Dangermouse, btw, is one of the admins for fedoraforum.org; you can trust his programs to be safe.
Ooh. That looks interesting. I hadn't heard of that. Thanks.
Dave...
On 29 March 2011 18:49, Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
The OP may have more luck re-posting to the RPMFusion or ATRPMS mailing list depending on where he got the Gstreamer plugin package.
Yeah. I'll definitely speak to the people at RPMFusion.
Also, is it possible that the MP3 file has DRM? Your android phone probably has a closed source decoder that can handle it.
Can MP3s contain DRM? I didn't think that was possible. But I'm quite prepared to be corrected on that.
Cheers,
Dave...
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2011 18:49, Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
The OP may have more luck re-posting to the RPMFusion or ATRPMS mailing list depending on where he got the Gstreamer plugin package.
Yeah. I'll definitely speak to the people at RPMFusion.
Also, is it possible that the MP3 file has DRM? Your android phone probably has a closed source decoder that can handle it.
Can MP3s contain DRM? I didn't think that was possible. But I'm quite prepared to be corrected on that.
I don't think it's technically feasible unless someone encapsulated the mp3 audio in another file container but I'm think it is possible to 'break' the encoding in a way that open source decoders may not be able to handle.
Something similar to how some DVD's are "broken" in a way that commercial players don't seem to care about but PC DVD drives choke on.
That's the only reason I could think of that "file" didn't seem to be able to get the audio properties of one of your mp3 files but not the other.
Richard
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dave Cross davorg@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2011 18:49, Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Ted Roche tedroche@gmail.com wrote:
- Also, the codecs you're using aren't part of Fedora, since Fedora
has intellectual property issues with ugly codecs, so you might get better support from the original source.
I use Fluendo's codecs, and hadn't seen this problem, sorry.
The OP may have more luck re-posting to the RPMFusion or ATRPMS mailing list depending on where he got the Gstreamer plugin package.
Yeah. I'll definitely speak to the people at RPMFusion.
Also, is it possible that the MP3 file has DRM? Your android phone probably has a closed source decoder that can handle it.
Can MP3s contain DRM? I didn't think that was possible. But I'm quite prepared to be corrected on that.
Cheers,
Dave...
Try mp3check. It was available at one time for Fedora. If you cannot find it you can get the source from Debian. There is also a program named "Checkmate MP3 Checker" I have not tried it. You can download it from http://checkmate.gissen.nl/.
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