Thunder chicken

[Ric Moore]

Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply 
with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this 
list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's 
folder.

This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even had 
time to kick in. <g> Ric

[Frode Petersen]

Ric Moore skrev:
> Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply 
> with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this 
> list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's 
> folder.
>
> This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even had 
> time to kick in. <g> Ric

Here's how I have set up the filter for this list; it works here:

For messages where one of the rules apply
Rule 1: 'List-Id' contains 'fedora-list.redhat.com'
Rule 2:	'To' contains '[e-mail]'
Move to chosen folder.

The field 'List-Id' can be added using the entry at the bottom of the 
roll-down list of possible fields to check. (Setup or Configure? Mine is 
in norwegian)

Hope this helps.

Frode

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 21 May 2007, Frode Petersen wrote:
> Ric Moore skrev:
> > Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply
> > with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this
> > list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's
> > folder.
> >
> > This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even had
> > time to kick in. <g> Ric
>
> Here's how I have set up the filter for this list; it works here:
>
> For messages where one of the rules apply
> Rule 1: 'List-Id' contains 'fedora-list.redhat.com'
> Rule 2:	'To' contains '[e-mail]'
> Move to chosen folder.

I'd add
Rule 3:  'CC' contains '[e-mail]'
> The field 'List-Id' can be added using the entry at the bottom of the
> roll-down list of possible fields to check. (Setup or Configure? Mine is
> in norwegian)

Anne

[Tim]

Frode Petersen:
> > Here's how I have set up the filter for this list; it works here:
> >
> > For messages where one of the rules apply
> > Rule 1: 'List-Id' contains 'fedora-list.redhat.com'
> > Rule 2:	'To' contains '[e-mail]'
> > Move to chosen folder.

Anne Wilson:
> I'd add
> Rule 3:  'CC' contains '[e-mail]'

I wouldn't filter a list with either of the 2nd or 3rd rules.  It makes
for mistakes:

If you're on lists with list-id headers, they're redundant, at best.

If you're on both lists that something gets crossposted to, all the mail
goes to one folder, instead of one to each appropriate folder.

Private replies including a list address as a recipient get treated as
list mail, and that mayn't be appropriate.  I've seen quite a few people
get their knickers in a twist because someone replied publically to what
they sent privately, because the respondent never noticed it.

Likewise for spam.  It erroneously ends up in your list mail folder.

[Anne Wilson]

On Monday 21 May 2007, Tim wrote:
> Frode Petersen:
> > > Here's how I have set up the filter for this list; it works here:
> > >
> > > For messages where one of the rules apply
> > > Rule 1: 'List-Id' contains 'fedora-list.redhat.com'
> > > Rule 2:	'To' contains '[e-mail]'
> > > Move to chosen folder.
>
> Anne Wilson:
> > I'd add
> > Rule 3:  'CC' contains '[e-mail]'
>
> I wouldn't filter a list with either of the 2nd or 3rd rules.  It makes
> for mistakes:
>
> If you're on lists with list-id headers, they're redundant, at best.

So Rule 1 matches.
> If you're on both lists that something gets crossposted to, all the mail
> goes to one folder, instead of one to each appropriate folder.

True, but I've never found it to be a huge problem.
> Private replies including a list address as a recipient get treated as
> list mail, and that mayn't be appropriate.  I've seen quite a few people
> get their knickers in a twist because someone replied publically to what
> they sent privately, because the respondent never noticed it.

That one is serious.  So what's your solution where List-Id doesn't exist?
> Likewise for spam.  It erroneously ends up in your list mail folder.

That I've never found.

Anne

[Tim]

Frode Petersen:
> > > > For messages where one of the rules apply
> > > > Rule 1: 'List-Id' contains 'fedora-list.redhat.com'
> > > > Rule 2:	'To' contains '[e-mail]'
> > > > Move to chosen folder.

Anne Wilson:
> > > I'd add
> > > Rule 3:  'CC' contains '[e-mail]'

Tim:
> > I wouldn't filter a list with either of the 2nd or 3rd rules.  It makes
> > for mistakes:
> >
> > If you're on lists with list-id headers, they're redundant, at best.

Anne Wilson:
> So Rule 1 matches.

And is all that's needed, for lists that have them.  I'd only set up
different rules for other lists (without them).
> > If you're on both lists that something gets crossposted to, all the mail
> > goes to one folder, instead of one to each appropriate folder.
> True, but I've never found it to be a huge problem.

It might be if you're trying to follow a thread.  At least, if you're
aware of this, you know where to look.  But it's a surprise that's
easily avoided.
> > Private replies including a list address as a recipient get treated as
> > list mail, and that mayn't be appropriate.  I've seen quite a few people
> > get their knickers in a twist because someone replied publically to what
> > they sent privately, because the respondent never noticed it.
> That one is serious.  So what's your solution where List-Id doesn't exist?

Most lists seem to have them.  For those that don't, I use specific
rules using the to or reply-to addresses.  I don't use generic recipient
rules, because then any match counts (to, cc, etc.), even when they're
not really appropriate.
> > Likewise for spam.  It erroneously ends up in your list mail folder.
> That I've never found.

You're lucky, then.  I've seen spam that's harvested addresses from
lists (list addresses and participants addresses).

[Phil Meyer]

Ric Moore wrote:
> Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply 
> with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this 
> list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's 
> folder.
>
> This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even 
> had time to kick in. <g> Ric

Also:

procmail is your friend. Using IMAP from your local host you can easily 
subscribe to folders in the ~/Mail directory.

Then I use Thunderbird to view with threads sorted by date on these 
mailboxes. Very nice, really. It also gives me more than one easy way to 
search messages.

Also, Thunderbird always asks me to send text only to these. It seems to 
be doing all the right things, for me.

For example, here is my .procmailrc file:

-> cat .procmailrc
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail #you’d better make sure it exists
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/log #recommended

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)fedora-buildsys-list
buildsys

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)fedora-list
fedora

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)rpm-maint
rpm

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)livecd-list
kadischi

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)anaconda-devel-list
anaconda

:0:
* (^TO|^From|^Subject:.*)Postfix SMTP server
xmail

[Thufir]

On Mon, 21 May 2007 03:01:31 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply
> with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this
> list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's
> folder.
>
> This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even had
> time to kick in. <g> Ric

why use filters?  why use e-mail?  this is what nntp is for :)

gmane.org

-Thufir

[Robin Laing]

Thufir wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 03:01:31 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> > Hrm.... Thunderbird is already starting to peeve me. It wants to reply
> > with the html stuff even after I told it to send text only to this
> > list-domain. Next, it's not filtering [e-mail] into it's
> > folder.
> >
> > This marriage is off to a rocky start and the Honeymoon hasn't even had
> > time to kick in. <g> Ric
>
> why use filters?  why use e-mail?  this is what nntp is for :)
>
> gmane.org
>
> -Thufir

Because not all of us can access nntp without using some form of web 
access due to corporate policies.  :)

I have no issues with Thunderbird filtering mail into folders.

[Thufir]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:05:11 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
[...]
> > why use filters?  why use e-mail?  this is what nntp is for :)
> >
> > gmane.org

[...]
> Because not all of us can access nntp without using some form of web
> access due to corporate policies.  :)
>
> I have no issues with Thunderbird filtering mail into folders.

[...]

Oh.  sorry to hear that :(

-Thufir