Fwd: Fedora 37 on todays LUP

[Luna Jernberg]

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Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:36 AM
Subject: Fedora 37 on todays LUP
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https://linuxunplugged.com/484

Fedora 37 review on todays Linux Unplugged

[Ranjan Maitra]

Interesting: pretty negative review. Unfortunate that the lawyers from IBM has so much to
say in the release/package inclusion process.

I use openbox so I wonder how much of the issue will be visible to me. I however, think
that since emacs-ess drowns the system on Fedora (after that update to Emacs 28.1),  I
will probably hold off till that gets fixed, if ever. 

Ranjan

On Mon Nov14'22 10:24:04PM, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> From: Luna Jernberg <droidbittin(a)gmail.com&gt;
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:24:04 +0100
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Fedora 37 on todays LUP

[Barry]

>  On 14 Nov 2022, at 22:18, Ranjan Maitra <mlmaitra(a)gmx.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  
>  Interesting: pretty negative review. Unfortunate that the lawyers from IBM has so much
> to say in the release/package inclusion process. 
It is an existential threat to an organisation to get software licensing wrong.
Be that commercial licenses or FOSS licenses.

Wilfully breaking a license or infringing a patent is a big risk.

Barry

>  
>  I use openbox so I wonder how much of the issue will be visible to me. I however, think
> that since emacs-ess drowns the system on Fedora (after that update to Emacs 28.1),  I
> will probably hold off till that gets fixed, if ever. 
>  
>  Ranjan
>  
> > On Mon Nov14'22 10:24:04PM, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> > From: Luna Jernberg <droidbittin(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:24:04 +0100
> > To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Subject: Fwd: Fedora 37 on todays LUP
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Luna Jernberg <droidbittin(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 8:36 AM
> > Subject: Fedora 37 on todays LUP
> > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
> > <desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;, For testing and quality assurance
> > of Fedora releases <test(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;, kde
> > <kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;, Adam Williamson
> > <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;, Allan Day <aday(a)redhat.com&gt;, Neal Gompa
> > <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt;, Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt;, Luna Jernberg
> > <droidbittin(a)gmail.com&gt;, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)redhat.com&gt;, Luna
> > Jernberg <bittin(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > 
> > 
> > https://linuxunplugged.com/484
> > 
> > Fedora 37 review on todays Linux Unplugged
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[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:18:09PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>  Interesting: pretty negative review. Unfortunate that the lawyers
> from IBM has so much to say in the release/package inclusion process. 
I have never once heard of a lawyer from IBM having any say whatsoever in
the release/package inclusion process. And if it happened, I am certain I
would hear.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Tue Nov15'22 06:18:45PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:18:45 -0500
>  To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Subject: Re: Fwd: Fedora 37 on todays LUP
>  
>  On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:18:09PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>  > Interesting: pretty negative review. Unfortunate that the lawyers from IBM has so
> much to say in the release/package inclusion process.
>  
>  I have never once heard of a lawyer from IBM having any say whatsoever in
>  the release/package inclusion process. And if it happened, I am certain I
>  would hear.
>  
Matthew,

I am sure you would have. Thanks for letting us know the ground situation. And thanks to
you and your team of volunteers for your fabulous work on a distribution I have used since
the first days of Fedora Core 1:-) 

Best wishes,
Ranjan

[Slade Watkins]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:19 PM Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 04:18:09PM -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>  > Interesting: pretty negative review. Unfortunate that the lawyers from IBM has so
> much to say in the release/package inclusion process.
>
>  I have never once heard of a lawyer from IBM having any say whatsoever in
>  the release/package inclusion process. And if it happened, I am certain I
>  would hear. 
AFAIK, IBM lawyers are way too busy doing other things to care.

-srw