Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
Thanks.
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
In particular, the one for the next button, Anne. Thanks, when I do get up for good, I'll check that link out.
On Monday 28 September 2009 11:28:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
In particular, the one for the next button, Anne. Thanks, when I do get up for good, I'll check that link out.
You'll find plenty that's useful there, Gene, but it won't solve this particular problem. I think that is a system-wide setting, so try systemsettings > Appearance > Windows > Buttons tab > Show window button tooltips
Anne
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 11:28:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
In particular, the one for the next button, Anne. Thanks, when I do get up for good, I'll check that link out.
You'll find plenty that's useful there, Gene, but it won't solve this particular problem. I think that is a system-wide setting, so try systemsettings > Appearance > Windows > Buttons tab > Show window button tooltips
Anne
That also seems to be a no-op, it was, I cycled it, left it off & clicked apply, but when I park the mouse over the next arrow, a tooltip will pop up in a short time, and which covers the left end of that messages subject line.
I am rather not inclined to move .kde as that means I'd have to spend a couple of long days rebuilding the message sort filters among other things.
I would love to see kde break the kmailrc file up in subcategories as separate files, keeping everything kmail related in the kmailrc has led to several extensive, re-inventing the wheel by starting with the fuel injectors type rebuilds over the years.
Thanks for trying, Anne.
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:38:13 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 11:28:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
In particular, the one for the next button, Anne. Thanks, when I do get up for good, I'll check that link out.
You'll find plenty that's useful there, Gene, but it won't solve this particular problem. I think that is a system-wide setting, so try systemsettings > Appearance > Windows > Buttons tab > Show window button tooltips
Anne
That also seems to be a no-op, it was, I cycled it, left it off & clicked apply, but when I park the mouse over the next arrow, a tooltip will pop up in a short time, and which covers the left end of that messages subject line.
I am rather not inclined to move .kde as that means I'd have to spend a couple of long days rebuilding the message sort filters among other things.
I would love to see kde break the kmailrc file up in subcategories as separate files, keeping everything kmail related in the kmailrc has led to several extensive, re-inventing the wheel by starting with the fuel injectors type rebuilds over the years.
Thanks for trying, Anne.
You did restart kmail, didn't you?
Anne
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:38:13 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 11:28:22 Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
In particular, the one for the next button, Anne. Thanks, when I do get up for good, I'll check that link out.
You'll find plenty that's useful there, Gene, but it won't solve this particular problem. I think that is a system-wide setting, so try systemsettings > Appearance > Windows > Buttons tab > Show window button tooltips
Anne
That also seems to be a no-op, it was, I cycled it, left it off & clicked apply, but when I park the mouse over the next arrow, a tooltip will pop up in a short time, and which covers the left end of that messages subject line.
I am rather not inclined to move .kde as that means I'd have to spend a couple of long days rebuilding the message sort filters among other things.
I would love to see kde break the kmailrc file up in subcategories as separate files, keeping everything kmail related in the kmailrc has led to several extensive, re-inventing the wheel by starting with the fuel injectors type rebuilds over the years.
Thanks for trying, Anne.
You did restart kmail, didn't you?
Anne
No, it has always responded instantly to any changes I made previously. This isn't winderz, where installing a mouse driver take 4 reboots. :) And a restart or reboot will not change anything now as this has been this way for a couple of weeks. It was last restarted 4 days ago when I installed kernel 2.6.31.1.
On Monday 28 September 2009 17:36:13 Gene Heskett wrote:
You did restart kmail, didn't you?
Anne
No, it has always responded instantly to any changes I made previously. This isn't winderz, where installing a mouse driver take 4 reboots. :) And a restart or reboot will not change anything now as this has been this way for a couple of weeks. It was last restarted 4 days ago when I installed kernel 2.6.31.1.
Who mentioned rebooting? I suggested restarting kmail, as many applications only read configurations when they start up. As it happens, though, that wasn't the answer, either. I'll try to find out.
Anne
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 17:36:13 Gene Heskett wrote:
You did restart kmail, didn't you?
Anne
No, it has always responded instantly to any changes I made previously. This isn't winderz, where installing a mouse driver take 4 reboots. :) And a restart or reboot will not change anything now as this has been this way for a couple of weeks. It was last restarted 4 days ago when I installed kernel 2.6.31.1.
Who mentioned rebooting? I suggested restarting kmail, as many applications only read configurations when they start up. As it happens, though, that wasn't the answer, either. I'll try to find out.
Anne
AFAIK, kmail updates that kmailrc file everytime it does _anything_, even clicking on the next message button updates it because it contains the current message numbers. The incoming mail function updates it similarly.
All this is, to me, is a golden opportunity for any bug anyplace in the kmail <->filesystem to eventually eat our respective lunches. Here, it is a bit over 131 kilobytes, and to expect a file to get data in the middle of it overwritten with random lengths of new data, and remain forever properly formatted and error free seems like tempting fate.
It is now 12:58:30 and when I opened this message: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:51 kmailrc
Now: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:56 kmailrc
So incoming mail updated it, and that means it is a very high traffic file, and it has ALL of kmails eggs in it.
IMO the data that needs updated frequently like that, really should be kept in a separate file.
On Monday 28 September 2009 18:05:11 Gene Heskett wrote:
AFAIK, kmail updates that kmailrc file everytime it does _anything_, even clicking on the next message button updates it because it contains the current message numbers. The incoming mail function updates it similarly.
All this is, to me, is a golden opportunity for any bug anyplace in the kmail <->filesystem to eventually eat our respective lunches. Here, it is a bit over 131 kilobytes, and to expect a file to get data in the middle of it overwritten with random lengths of new data, and remain forever properly formatted and error free seems like tempting fate.
It is now 12:58:30 and when I opened this message: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:51 kmailrc
Now: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:56 kmailrc
So incoming mail updated it, and that means it is a very high traffic file, and it has ALL of kmails eggs in it.
IMO the data that needs updated frequently like that, really should be kept in a separate file.
Take a copy of your kmailrc, then again after one of your 'changes' and diff them. Tell us what comes out.
I don't believe you have actually studied your kmailrc. It does not contain messages at all. It contains your folder definitions, which may be what you are mistaking for messages. It does contain quite a lot of other information, all of it configuration. Unless you are a very strange user it does not get updated very frequently. You will notice that in the example you quoted, the file size did not alter at all. Maybe what you see is a timestamp of when the file was accessed for information?
You also said earlier "I would love to see kde break the kmailrc file up in subcategories as separate files,"" . Why? One file does one job. In this case it defines all the norms for your folders, identities, accounts and mail transports. The reason your file is big (and mine is much bigger) is the number of identities and folders maintained. The kmailrc file is clearly broken up into labelled sections. There is no difficulty in seeing what each one does.
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 28 September 2009 18:05:11 Gene Heskett wrote:
AFAIK, kmail updates that kmailrc file everytime it does _anything_, even clicking on the next message button updates it because it contains the current message numbers. The incoming mail function updates it similarly.
All this is, to me, is a golden opportunity for any bug anyplace in the kmail <->filesystem to eventually eat our respective lunches. Here, it is a bit over 131 kilobytes, and to expect a file to get data in the middle of it overwritten with random lengths of new data, and remain forever properly formatted and error free seems like tempting fate.
It is now 12:58:30 and when I opened this message: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:51 kmailrc
Now: [root@coyote config]# ls -l kmailrc -rw------- 1 root root 139265 2009-09-28 12:56 kmailrc
So incoming mail updated it, and that means it is a very high traffic file, and it has ALL of kmails eggs in it.
IMO the data that needs updated frequently like that, really should be kept in a separate file.
Take a copy of your kmailrc, then again after one of your 'changes' and diff them. Tell us what comes out.
I don't believe you have actually studied your kmailrc. It does not contain messages at all. It contains your folder definitions, which may be what you are mistaking for messages. It does contain quite a lot of other information, all of it configuration. Unless you are a very strange user it does not get updated very frequently. You will notice that in the example you quoted, the file size did not alter at all. Maybe what you see is a timestamp of when the file was accessed for information?
Uh, doesn't "ls" show the mtime (modify time) by default? So the file IS being written to in some manner, even if the size isn't changing. If I were to change every occurrence of the digit "4" with "5" in a file and saved the modified version, the size wouldn't change but the mtime would.
I think the OP said that it appeared that the current message number was being updated. A big message number (5 or 6 digits) would take a while to require a sixth or seventh digit, thereby changing the file size.
This is all a bit off the point, though. kmail seems to work fine for most people (I'm a Thunderbird user myself, but I'm weird). This may be a case where a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - The world is coming to an end ... SAVE YOUR FILES!!! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Monday 28 September 2009 22:21:48 Rick Stevens wrote:
Uh, doesn't "ls" show the mtime (modify time) by default?
AIUI, reading a file is an access - in fact if you open a text file anywhere on your computer then close it without any change you will see the timestamp get updated. That does not mean it has been written to.
So the file IS being written to in some manner,
No, it does not mean that.
even if the size isn't changing. If I were to change every occurrence of the digit "4" with "5" in a file and saved the modified version, the size wouldn't change but the mtime would.
Irrelevant
I think the OP said that it appeared that the current message number was being updated. A big message number (5 or 6 digits) would take a while to require a sixth or seventh digit, thereby changing the file size.
The message numbers are not in that file, so his comment is an impossibility.
This is all a bit off the point, though. kmail seems to work fine for most people (I'm a Thunderbird user myself, but I'm weird). This may be a case where a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
Anne
Rick Stevens wrote:
Uh, doesn’t “ls” show the mtime (modify time) by default?
Anne Wilson replied:
AIUI, reading a file is an access - in fact if you open a text file anywhere on your computer then close it without any change you will see the timestamp get updated. That does not mean it has been written to.
Actually, on classic Unix there are three timestamps. http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Global_File... says: Each file inode and directory inode has three time stamps associated with it:
* ctime — The last time the inode status was changed * mtime — The last time the file (or directory) data was modified * atime — The last time the file (or directory) data was accessed
ls -l by default will show the mtime¹. So if the time reported by ls -l changes, then the file has been written (which is not necessarily to say that the contents have changed).
Note that atime may not be reliable on your systems, since it impacts performance. The same link says:
Two methods of reducing the effects of atime updating are available:
* Mount with relatime (relative atime), which updates the atime if the previous atime update is older than the mtime or ctime update. * Mount with noatime, which disables atime updates on that file system.
I think these days Fedora uses relatime by default, so many users won’t see what you saw unless their text editor insists on saving when closing a file.
Hope this helps,
James.
¹ See, for example, info coreutils "What information is listed" which says … print the … timestamp … normally the modification time.
On Monday 28 September 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
It's not entirely clear which tooltip you are referring to, but go to http://userbase.kde.org/KMail/FAQs_Hints_and_Tips and it's probably 2.7 or 2.8 that you need.
Anne
I've looked, with right clicks, on several items, but I'm apparently not seeing what you are. And I also have noted that its been 2 weeks or so since I was last able to forward a message from the pulldown 'message' menu as it shows only one choice, custom template, which doesn't exist. The FWD button does work, but is not an inline forward, but as an attachment.
I have had 2 rather spectacular crashes in that time frame, both related to watching a video someone sent me a link to, and the last one took a reboot to fix as it also wiped out X. kmail advised me that a recovery was possible, but that I would lose all my message flags, and it was after that when I noted I had lost the choices in the fwd menu. And it is the same with the mark messages menu, there are no choices now, either in the pulldown, or in the configure-kmail>appearance>message-tags. That screen is displayed ok, but there are no choices available.
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
I have had a reply from a developer. It seems that this is standard toolbar behaviour, and not part of kmail. It probably can't be changed.
Anne
On Saturday 03 October 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 27 September 2009 22:42:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings;
I have one rather exasperating function I wish I could either turn off, or relocate.
It's in kmail, the little "helpful" (not) gizmo that pops up if you leave the mouse sitting on an icon. It is useful for some things, but I have kmail setup with the message list pane left of the message pane, which puts the messages panes subject line not too far below the icons along the top of the main window.
And when it pops up, it takes about a minute for it to go way, during which time the messages subject line is hidden. Having to move the mouse to a clear place when I want to switch to the + key, and back again tends to aggravate my arthritis.
Can this be relocated to a point above the icon, or can the display timeout be set down to maybe 2 seconds? If so, what file do I edit to accomplish this?
I have had a reply from a developer. It seems that this is standard toolbar behaviour, and not part of kmail. It probably can't be changed.
Anne
As I've apparently found, I've wandered though the menu's exploring the whole thing basement to attic without stumbling over it. To me, it is officially a PIMA.
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