Check Updates option does no work for me in Software application

[Aaron Konstam]

The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work for
me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.

Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
work?
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[Reindl Harald]

Am 01.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
>  The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work
> for
>  me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
>  reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.
>  
>  Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
>  work? 
what says "yum upgrade" as root?

all this graphical crap is a frontend to yum with
zero feedback if something does not work perfectly

[Tim]

On Sun, 2013-03-03 at 08:59 +0000, Clive Hills wrote:
>  i yum update two or three times  a day. 
addict...     ;-\

>

[Temlakos]

On 03/03/2013 01:30 AM, Tim wrote:
>  Allegedly, on or about 02 March 2013, Temlakos sent:
> > None of those GUI extenders issues commands like "yum clean metadata."
> > So when I want to run an update on my own schedule, I issue that command
> > first.
>  I've rarely ever had to do such a thing, and I certainly wouldn't bother
>  doing each time.  But then I don't go updating every day, so I'm
>  probably not fighting stale cached data.
>
> > The best part of a GUI: when you want to know what packages are
> > available, you don't lose the first listing just because it has scrolled
> > above your command-line prompt (xterm, Konsole, etc.) window.
>  You can increase the buffer size of your console, so it is possible to
>  scroll further back.
>
> > I respectfully suggest that neither Fedora nor any other distribution is
> > ever going to gain any traction with greater numbers of users, should
> > the community ever decide to abandon the GUI completely and use
> > command-line applications (manually initiated, at that) for routine
> > system maintenance.
>  That would seem the opposite of what actually happens.  The command line
>  was first, the GUI came next.  If anything's being abandoned, it's the
>  command line.  Leaving you with only GUIs to control some things, and
>  often inadequate GUIs, at that.
>  
I wouldn't recommend abandoning command-line tools, either. The secret 
to system security, whether against unauthorized access or against 
accidental data loss, is redundancy. That includes redundancy in the 
tools we use to manage our data.

Temlakos

[Reindl Harald]

Am 03.03.2013 09:38, schrieb Richard Hughes:
>  On 2 March 2013 14:30, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net&gt;
> wrote:
> > which indicates that the majority of all users avoid the
> > grapical stuff and use always yum for good reasons
>  
>  Emails like this remind me why I should unsubscribe from users(a)fp.o 
ah because you could learn how to use command-line tools, that
for things are command-line tools existing which you did not
imagine and find out how much faster and clearer many things
are possible as with it could done in a GUI

your choice - be happy

i also came from winow and seeked for GUI's here or there
but it took only a very short timeframe do do ANY system
maintainance far away from a GUI and this knowledge helps
you work on remote-machines and leaded to get a payed systems
administrator a few years later - guess that would not had
happened with move them ouse from the left to the right

[Richard Hughes]

On 2 March 2013 14:30, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net&gt; wrote:
>  which indicates that the majority of all users avoid the
>  grapical stuff and use always yum for good reasons 
Emails like this remind me why I should unsubscribe from users(a)fp.o

Richard.

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 02 March 2013, Temlakos sent:
>  None of those GUI extenders issues commands like "yum clean
> metadata." 
>  So when I want to run an update on my own schedule, I issue that command 
>  first. 
I've rarely ever had to do such a thing, and I certainly wouldn't bother
doing each time.  But then I don't go updating every day, so I'm
probably not fighting stale cached data.

>  The best part of a GUI: when you want to know what packages are 
>  available, you don't lose the first listing just because it has scrolled 
>  above your command-line prompt (xterm, Konsole, etc.) window. 
You can increase the buffer size of your console, so it is possible to
scroll further back.

>  I respectfully suggest that neither Fedora nor any other distribution
> is 
>  ever going to gain any traction with greater numbers of users, should 
>  the community ever decide to abandon the GUI completely and use 
>  command-line applications (manually initiated, at that) for routine 
>  system maintenance. 
That would seem the opposite of what actually happens.  The command line
was first, the GUI came next.  If anything's being abandoned, it's the
command line.  Leaving you with only GUIs to control some things, and
often inadequate GUIs, at that.

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[Reindl Harald]

Am 02.03.2013 15:52, schrieb Temlakos:
>  The best part of a GUI: when you want to know what packages are
> available, you don't lose the first listing just
>  because it has scrolled above your command-line prompt (xterm, Konsole, etc.) window
jokingly?
"Konsole" knows scrolling and even settings for infinite buffer

on my machines i scroll back 3 days if needed

[Temlakos]

On 03/02/2013 09:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  Am 02.03.2013 15:27, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
> > On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 08:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work for
> >> me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
> >> reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.
> >>
> >> Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
> >> work?
> > What I wanted to know if this works for others. I have not gotten any
> > response giving that information
>  which indicates that the majority of all users avoid the
>  grapical stuff and use always yum for good reasons 
Not completely accurate. Check Updates in Apper works all the time for 
me. Sometimes Apper will hang, or delay-and-delay, /after/ the update is 
done.

None of those GUI extenders issues commands like "yum clean metadata." 
So when I want to run an update on my own schedule, I issue that command 
first.

The best part of a GUI: when you want to know what packages are 
available, you don't lose the first listing just because it has scrolled 
above your command-line prompt (xterm, Konsole, etc.) window. Instead 
you always know what's available, and can give orders for installation 
with a few clicks. Occasionally I use "yumex" for that view.

There has never been any "trick" to "making Check Updates work" in 
Apper. It has worked, straight-out-of-the-box, since KDE pushed it 
through to replace KPackageKit. I abandoned another third-party GUI, 
called "smart," once Apper became available and I saw how versatile it 
could be.

I respectfully suggest that neither Fedora nor any other distribution is 
ever going to gain any traction with greater numbers of users, should 
the community ever decide to abandon the GUI completely and use 
command-line applications (manually initiated, at that) for routine 
system maintenance.

Temlakos

[Reindl Harald]

Am 02.03.2013 15:27, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
>  On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 08:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work for
> > me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
> > reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.
> >
> > Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
> > work?
>
>  What I wanted to know if this works for others. I have not gotten any
>  response giving that information 
which indicates that the majority of all users avoid the
grapical stuff and use always yum for good reasons

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 08:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work
> for
>  me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
>  reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.
>  
>  Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
>  work?
>  --  
What I wanted to know if this works for others. I have not gotten any
response giving that information.
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[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2013-03-01 at 16:20 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  
>  Am 01.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
>  > The Check Updates option in the Software application does not work for
>  > me. It starts as expected reporting the number of updates. But it never
>  > reaches the install step and just keeps running without end.
>  > 
>  > Does this work for other people? If so what is your trick to get it to
>  > work?
>  
>  what says "yum upgrade" as root?
>  
>  all this graphical crap is a frontend to yum with
>  zero feedback if something does not work perfectly
>  
>   
yum upgrade works. I am just curious if my experience is unique.
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[Joe Zeff]

On 03/01/2013 07:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>  all this graphical crap is a frontend to yum with
>  zero feedback if something does not work perfectly 
Except for yumex, which does give you access to the error messages.

[Clive Hills]

i yum update two or three times  a day.
Clive