RE: The Case of the Missing Characters

[kwhiskerz kwhiskerz]

kwhiskerz{> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:31 +0000> From: [e-mail]> To: [e-mail]> Subject: Re: The Case of the Missing Characters> > Around 07:53pm on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:> > > In the last 2-3 weeks, I have had the following happen on at least 2 occasions. Someone also mentioned it on fedoraforum.org, so this is not unique to my keyboard.I have noticed that when I am typing, the letters v,b,f,g,r,t,4,5 do not always type, making it very difficult to write emails and enter commands. The curious thing, as I just ascertained a moment ago, is that the missing characters all line up diagonally on the keyboard.I am using the pc105 character german keyboard setting with all dead keys, like it is supposed to be, and have the system set to use utf-8, which is the default. I have also enabled the xkbd compose key option, although I don't really need it, having an international keyboard with dead keys, on the useless key to the left of the right ctrl key.Could there be some problem with keysim mappings or something? I thought that, since the keys all line up, that there could be a problem with the keyboard, but as I had said, it has only happened twice in the last 3 weeks and someone else reported the problem on fedoraforum about 2 weeks ago.kwhiskerz{> > Kwhiskerz,> > I have noticed that all your posts to this list appear to me (in mutt),> as one long paragraph, very difficult to read.  I don't know if it is> becuase you are using hotmail, perhaps with it sending html email.> > You may get more responses if you change it so they are more readable.> > Steve> > -- > > A:  Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.> Q:  Why is top-posting a bad thing?> >  19:07:39 up 166 days, 21:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.00Youmeanlikethisinstead of complete sentences and paragraphs?
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The Case of the Missing Characters

[Steve Searle]

Around 07:38pm on Thursday, February 01, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:
> kwhiskerz{> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:31 +0000> From: [e-mail]> To: [e-mail]> Subject: Re: The Case of the Missing Characters> > Around 07:53pm on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:> > > In the last 2-3 weeks, I have had the following happen on at least 2 occasions. Someone also mentioned it on fedoraforum.org, so this is not unique to my keyboard.I have noticed that when I am typing, the letters v,b,f,g,r,t,4,5 do not always type, making it very difficult to write emails and enter commands. The curious thing, as I just ascertained a moment ago, is that the missing characters all line up diagonally on the keyboard.I am using the pc105 character german keyboard setting with all dead keys, like it is supposed to be, and have the system set to use utf-8, which is the default. I have also enabled the xkbd compose key option, although I don't really need it, having an international keyboard with dead keys, on the useless key to the left of the right ctrl key.Could there be some problem with keysim mappings or something? I thought that, since the keys all line up, that there could be a problem with the keyboard, but as I had said, it has only happened twice in the last 3 weeks and someone else reported the problem on fedoraforum about 2 weeks ago.kwhiskerz{> > Kwhiskerz,> > I have noticed that all your posts to this list appear to me (in mutt),> as one long paragraph, very difficult to read.  I don't know if it is> becuase you are using hotmail, perhaps with it sending html email.> > You may get more responses if you change it so they are more readable.> > Steve> > -- > > A:  Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.> Q:  Why is top-posting a bad thing?> >  19:07:39 up 166 days, 21:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.00Youmeanlikethisinstead of complete sentences and paragraphs?

No - as you can see from the above even your separating of each word
onto a different line is getting wrapped together, although when I look
at the html attachment I see them separately.

Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?

Steve

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Mark Fraser]

In article ,
   Steve Searle  wrote:

[Snip]
> No - as you can see from the above even your separating of each word
> onto a different line is getting wrapped together, although when I look
> at the html attachment I see them separately.
> Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?

I'm seeing it here too. It's almost impossible to make any sense of it.

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 01 February 2007 19:43, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 07:38pm on Thursday, February 01, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz

scrawled:
> > kwhiskerz{> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:31 +0000> From:
> > [e-mail]> To: [e-mail]> Subject: Re: The Case
> > of the Missing Characters> > Around 07:53pm on Wednesday, January 31,
> > 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:> > > In the last 2-3 weeks,
> > I have had the following happen on at least 2 occasions. Someone also
> > mentioned it on fedoraforum.org, so this is not unique to my keyboard.I
> > have noticed that when I am typing, the letters v,b,f,g,r,t,4,5 do not
> > always type, making it very difficult to write emails and enter commands.
> > The curious thing, as I just ascertained a moment ago, is that the
> > missing characters all line up diagonally on the keyboard.I am using the
> > pc105 character german keyboard setting with all dead keys, like it is
> > supposed to be, and have the system set to use utf-8, which is the
> > default. I have also enabled the xkbd compose key option, although I
> > don't really need it, having an international keyboard with dead keys, on
> > the useless key to the left of the right ctrl key.Could there be some
> > problem with keysim mappings or something? I thought that, since the keys
> > all line up, that there could be a problem with the keyboard, but as I
> > had said, it has only happened twice in the last 3 weeks and someone else
> > reported the problem on fedoraforum about 2 weeks ago.kwhiskerz{> >
> > Kwhiskerz,> > I have noticed that all your posts to this list appear to
> > me (in mutt),> as one long paragraph, very difficult to read.  I don't
> > know if it is> becuase you are using hotmail, perhaps with it sending
> > html email.> > You may get more responses if you change it so they are
> > more readable.> > Steve> > -- > > A:  Because it messes up the order in
> > which people normally read text.> Q:  Why is top-posting a bad thing?> > 
> > 19:07:39 up 166 days, 21:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.06,
> > 0.00Youmeanlikethisinstead of complete sentences and paragraphs?
>
> No - as you can see from the above even your separating of each word
> onto a different line is getting wrapped together, although when I look
> at the html attachment I see them separately.
>
> Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?

KMail shows it mangled like that.

Anne

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Todd Zullinger]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?
>
> KMail shows it mangled like that.

It's not so much mangled as it is just poorly formatted from the
beginning.  It's a multipart/alternative message with a text/plain and
a text/html part.  I assume it's hotmail that is doing the automatic
conversion from html to plain text and doing it poorly.

Please turn off the html when you post to the list kwhiskerz.

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:54 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 01 February 2007 19:43, Steve Searle wrote:
> > Around 07:38pm on Thursday, February 01, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz
>
> kwhiskerz 
> scrawled:
> > > kwhiskerz{> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:31 +0000> From:
> > > [e-mail]> To: [e-mail]> Subject: Re:
>
> The Case
> > > of the Missing Characters> > Around 07:53pm on Wednesday, January
>
> 31,
> > > 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:> > > In the last 2-3
>
> weeks,
> > > I have had the following happen on at least 2 occasions. Someone
>
> also
> > > mentioned it on fedoraforum.org, so this is not unique to my
>
> keyboard.I
> > > have noticed that when I am typing, the letters v,b,f,g,r,t,4,5 do
>
> not
> > > always type, making it very difficult to write emails and enter
>
> commands.
> > > The curious thing, as I just ascertained a moment ago, is that the
> > > missing characters all line up diagonally on the keyboard.I am
>
> using the
> > > pc105 character german keyboard setting with all dead keys, like
>
> it is
> > > supposed to be, and have the system set to use utf-8, which is the
> > > default. I have also enabled the xkbd compose key option, although
>
> I

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These run on messages usually happen when someone mails to me from a
Windows machine (maybe in HTML , I am not sure)
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You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!!
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Aaron Konstam telephone: [phone] e-mail: [e-mail]

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Evan Klitzke]

On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:43 +0000, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 07:38pm on Thursday, February 01, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:
> > kwhiskerz{> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:21:31 +0000> From: [e-mail]> To: [e-mail]> Subject: Re: The Case of the Missing Characters> > Around 07:53pm on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 (UK time), kwhiskerz kwhiskerz scrawled:> > > In the last 2-3 weeks, I have had the following happen on at least 2 occasions. Someone also mentioned it on fedoraforum.org, so this is not unique to my keyboard.I have noticed that when I am typing, the letters v,b,f,g,r,t,4,5 do not always type, making it very difficult to write emails and enter commands. The curious thing, as I just ascertained a moment ago, is that the missing characters all line up diagonally on the keyboard.I am using the pc105 character german keyboard setting with all dead keys, like it is supposed to be, and have the system set to use utf-8, which is the default. I have also enabled the xkbd compose key option, although I don't really need it, having an international keyboard with dead keys, on the useless key to the left of the right ctrl key.Could there be some problem with keysim mappings or something? I thought that, since the keys all line up, that there could be a problem with the keyboard, but as I had said, it has only happened twice in the last 3 weeks and someone else reported the problem on fedoraforum about 2 weeks ago.kwhiskerz{> > Kwhiskerz,> > I have noticed that all your posts to this list appear to me (in mutt),> as one long paragraph, very difficult to read.  I don't know if it is> becuase you are using hotmail, perhaps with it sending html email.> > You may get more responses if you change it so they are more readable.> > Steve> > -- > > A:  Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.> Q:  Why is top-posting a bad thing?> >  19:07:39 up 166 days, 21:34,  2 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.06, 0.00Youmeanlikethisinstead of complete sentences and paragraphs?
>
> No - as you can see from the above even your separating of each word
> onto a different line is getting wrapped together, although when I look
> at the html attachment I see them separately.
>
> Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?

If you look at the source for the email, each line ends with an =
character, which presumably is an instruction to the email client to
treat the text as a single line.

-- Evan Klitzke

The Case of the Missing Characters

[Tim]

On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:43 +0000, Steve Searle wrote:
> Is anyone else seeing these mangled, or is it just me?

Mangled in different ways (poor quoting style when replying).  I've seen
paragraphs in the right places, except for one post from them, where it
looked like they'd use <pre> around a section.

They're posting a multipart alternative message, using quoted-printable
encoding of the plain-text and HTML sections.  By now, all mail clients
should be able to handle quoted-printable (it's a many-years-old
technique), though it appears that some do not.  (Which, like HTML and
format=flowed, allows a paragraph to reflow and fill the reader's
window.)

Microsoft's OE always made a mess of quoting when it was sending using
quoted-printable encoding.  It looks like their latest abomination of
Hotmail is just as bad.