I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu. What is that has to be installed to get a shut down in Fedora 20 please? Why would a shut down or reboot menu be missing? Some folks do still switch off for the night or while they are away. Puzzling. TIA Roger
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 14:49 +1000, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu.
On my freshly installed Fedora 20, with that Gnome 3 shite, I had an option to shutdown, but none to log out. A bit of googling suggested a solution to give me a log out option in my menu, but it did nothing (you could click on the, now available, logout option, but nothing ever happened in response). That was the final straw, so I installed the mate desktop, and use that instead of Gnome. Now I have a desktop that works normally.
You haven't said which desktop you're using with Fedora 20. You want to give the list that information for someone to be able to give you the best advice.
Doing an update over the top may carry over previous problems, whereas a fresh install *may* have gotten rid of your library fault. I have a 32 bit install, and don't knowingly use mysql, so I can't say whether a fresh install Fedora 20 would definitely make any difference.
I haven't done update-installs for many years, but when I did, they were nothing but a problem. One of the advantages of a fresh install is that you don't have to put up with prior faults continuing over to the new release. Nor debugging cases of things that didn't update. Nor deal with heavy and lengthy pre/post-install dependency computing.
On 04/28/2014 05:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 14:49 +1000, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu.
On my freshly installed Fedora 20, with that Gnome 3 shite, I had an option to shutdown, but none to log out. A bit of googling suggested a solution to give me a log out option in my menu, but it did nothing (you could click on the, now available, logout option, but nothing ever happened in response). That was the final straw, so I installed the mate desktop, and use that instead of Gnome. Now I have a desktop that works normally.
You haven't said which desktop you're using with Fedora 20. You want to give the list that information for someone to be able to give you the best advice.
I'm using gnome, I guess it's gnome 3. In Fedora 19 I have the menu top right. Roger
On 04/28/2014 06:11 AM, Roger wrote:
I'm using gnome, I guess it's gnome 3. In Fedora 19 I have the menu top right. Roger
I have a fresh F20 install amd_64 running MATE. Under the System menu I have both a logout & shutdown icon.
On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 20:11 +1000, Roger wrote:
I'm using gnome, I guess it's gnome 3. In Fedora 19 I have the menu top right.
I thought you said Fedora 20 was the problem?
But for the sake of trying a simple test - with Fedora 20 - create a new user, log out as yourself, log into that new user account at the graphical login screen. Now see if that new user has a shutdown option in the far right menu (it's just an icon, the dash with an interrupted circle going around it).
On 04/28/2014 12:49 AM, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu. What is that has to be installed to get a shut down in Fedora 20 please? Why would a shut down or reboot menu be missing? Some folks do still switch off for the night or while they are away. Puzzling.
poweroff works as a user. You don't have to su to poweroff or reboot. At least I don't.
shutdown DOES see to require root priv.
Hi, I have an F20 installation that has been upgraded using Fedup through every version on Fedora from F17. I don't use Gnome, instead I use KDE (personal preference, I believe they stuffed Gnome with the introduction of Gnome 3 and I believe KDE has always been more configurable) and under KDE the system uses poweroff to "poweroff" and shutdown to reboot. In the settings where this definition is there is also an option to specify who these commands are available for, both locally and remotely. For the local setting I specify "everybody" which then means both commands are available to "ordinary" users. I haven't booted into Gnome 3 since upgrading to F20, but as already stated the shutdown options were there even under Gnome 3. What the issue might be is that F20 is using a more recent version of Gnome 3 than F19, where more facilities have been removed by default (with the way Gnome 3 has been developed it makes it look like it has been developed by Microsoft). From what I have read on the net there are 2 methods of getting a lot of the missing configurability back again, both of which are recommended to be installed by Gnome 3 users as a matter of priority. I know they are available for Ubuntu, what I don't know at this stage is whether they are available for Fedora. I'll reboot into Gnome 3 and see if the options are available on my system.
regards, Steve
On 04/29/2014 01:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 04/28/2014 12:49 AM, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu. What is that has to be installed to get a shut down in Fedora 20 please? Why would a shut down or reboot menu be missing? Some folks do still switch off for the night or while they are away. Puzzling.
poweroff works as a user. You don't have to su to poweroff or reboot. At least I don't.
shutdown DOES see to require root priv.
Hi, Just following on from my previous email, I logged out of KDE and logged into Gnome (as opposed to Gnome Classic) and in the top right hand corner menu selection there was a power button as well as a setting button. Clicking on the power button provided the option to restart or to shutdown, but no logout option. Clicking on restart then rebooted the system. If I assume that the command being executed for that is the same as under KDE, then that option ran the "shutdown" command which did not require root privileges, but that may be because with the setting I have under KDE, KDE has modified that command to not require root privileges for execution.
regards, Steve
On 04/29/2014 07:35 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
Hi, I have an F20 installation that has been upgraded using Fedup through every version on Fedora from F17. I don't use Gnome, instead I use KDE (personal preference, I believe they stuffed Gnome with the introduction of Gnome 3 and I believe KDE has always been more configurable) and under KDE the system uses poweroff to "poweroff" and shutdown to reboot. In the settings where this definition is there is also an option to specify who these commands are available for, both locally and remotely. For the local setting I specify "everybody" which then means both commands are available to "ordinary" users. I haven't booted into Gnome 3 since upgrading to F20, but as already stated the shutdown options were there even under Gnome 3. What the issue might be is that F20 is using a more recent version of Gnome 3 than F19, where more facilities have been removed by default (with the way Gnome 3 has been developed it makes it look like it has been developed by Microsoft). From what I have read on the net there are 2 methods of getting a lot of the missing configurability back again, both of which are recommended to be installed by Gnome 3 users as a matter of priority. I know they are available for Ubuntu, what I don't know at this stage is whether they are available for Fedora. I'll reboot into Gnome 3 and see if the options are available on my system.
regards, Steve
On 04/29/2014 01:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 04/28/2014 12:49 AM, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu. What is that has to be installed to get a shut down in Fedora 20 please? Why would a shut down or reboot menu be missing? Some folks do still switch off for the night or while they are away. Puzzling.
poweroff works as a user. You don't have to su to poweroff or reboot. At least I don't.
shutdown DOES see to require root priv.
I have 4 icons in the top right corner. one to switch on the internet, one which displays a small aeroplane, one for speaker volume and one for battery status. They all have the same dropdown menu which has a selection Home which provides Switch User and Log out. Wow! thanks, I just found the shut down icon, it is a tiny circle with a line through it, bottom right in that menu selection. Great Cheers Roger
Hi, Just following on from my previous email, I logged out of KDE and logged into Gnome (as opposed to Gnome Classic) and in the top right hand corner menu selection there was a power button as well as a setting button. Clicking on the power button provided the option to restart or to shutdown, but no logout option. Clicking on restart then rebooted the system. If I assume that the command being executed for that is the same as under KDE, then that option ran the "shutdown" command which did not require root privileges, but that may be because with the setting I have under KDE, KDE has modified that command to not require root privileges for execution.
regards, Steve
On 04/29/2014 07:35 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
Hi, I have an F20 installation that has been upgraded using Fedup through every version on Fedora from F17. I don't use Gnome, instead I use KDE (personal preference, I believe they stuffed Gnome with the introduction of Gnome 3 and I believe KDE has always been more configurable) and under KDE the system uses poweroff to "poweroff" and shutdown to reboot. In the settings where this definition is there is also an option to specify who these commands are available for, both locally and remotely. For the local setting I specify "everybody" which then means both commands are available to "ordinary" users. I haven't booted into Gnome 3 since upgrading to F20, but as already stated the shutdown options were there even under Gnome 3. What the issue might be is that F20 is using a more recent version of Gnome 3 than F19, where more facilities have been removed by default (with the way Gnome 3 has been developed it makes it look like it has been developed by Microsoft). From what I have read on the net there are 2 methods of getting a lot of the missing configurability back again, both of which are recommended to be installed by Gnome 3 users as a matter of priority. I know they are available for Ubuntu, what I don't know at this stage is whether they are available for Fedora. I'll reboot into Gnome 3 and see if the options are available on my system.
regards, Steve
On 04/29/2014 01:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 04/28/2014 12:49 AM, Roger wrote:
I have just Fedup'd Fedora 19 to F20 on a Dell 1520 laptop and it works well, took about 4 hours to complete still has the same php error message about /usr/lib64/pdo-mysql.so but all works well.
There seems to be no way to shut own the system other than going to a terminal and entering shutdown as root. I vaguely remember other Fedora versions had the same thing and we had to install some app to provide the shut down menu. What is that has to be installed to get a shut down in Fedora 20 please? Why would a shut down or reboot menu be missing? Some folks do still switch off for the night or while they are away. Puzzling.
poweroff works as a user. You don't have to su to poweroff or reboot. At least I don't.
shutdown DOES see to require root priv.
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