1:40 a.m.
On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
Childish.
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Erik
4:07 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:48:40 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> > > > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy
Miracle
> > > > >
> > > > > Childish.
> > > >
> > > > Why?
> > >
> > > Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
> >
> > Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?
>
> Of course, except that early Fedora release names have been decided on
> without voting.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora-_und_Red-Hat-Versionsnamen
None of these links explains the actual choices, they just explain how
the games works and what the connections are.
Explaining the *name* doesn't mean to explain that Heidelberg is a City
in the German state of Baden-Württemberg but why Heidelberg was chosen
in favor of any other city in Baden-Württemberg.
You could have rephrased your question (above) where you wrote
"Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?".
I don't care whether any other city in DE-BW or DE would have met the
requirements in the same way. It doesn't interest me _why_ Tettnang had
been proposed or _why_ Krosno and Uzhgorod had been the other choices
besides Heidelberg. If it's a fun game for some people to enter the
"competition" with a personal favourite release name that meets the
requirements, I tolerate that.
When the release name process opened up, voters could learn about _what_ a
name is, what it refers to, and the connections (if disclosed in the Wiki).
Later users of a Fedora release would also start with figuring out what a
name refers to and then possibly ask why it had been chosen. They would
look up "Heidelberg" and draw their own conclusions. What would you tell
them if they asked why the dist was named after a city? Would you point
them at the guidelines or mention that the _real why_ is a secret?
> The Fedora Release name process has become much more open
compared with
> Red Hat Linux ( http://www.smoogespace.com/documents/behind_the_names.html ).
>
> Even during the RHL era. Red Hat Linux users that tried to figure out
> the connection between consecutive release names.
You see: You are again explaining the rules rather than the choices.
The rules are public and official. A person's self-motivation isn't --
when entering the release name voting process with a personal favourite
name, which may meet the requirements but have some secret rationale.
While I have to admit that the connection is a little week this
time,
the name itself is easy to explain. It is more related to Fedora than
any other name before.
And still you cannot avoid that users will find the story "childish" or
"silly". If they did, I would tolerate that.
Anyway, I don't think I want to hear the full story. Fragments of it
didn't sound too exciting. I do remember the pictures Anaconda displayed
during installation, such as the various hot-dog e.g. dancing "Limbo",
but why to continue there many years later, uhm... ;-)
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5:40 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
What is beefy about that? Beefy to me means tasty, of substance,
fulfilling, delicious. Not, as the image implies, full of fat, gristle
and bone flavoured with condiment and stuffed in an over aerated bread roll.
I guess Hindu's will see it differently
5:35 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
<snip>
The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
</snip>
Curious.
To me Fedora is neither beefy nor a miracle.
Fedora renditions - here today gone tomorrow, life span of a moth
dancing round a flame, a year passes and we update or suffer. At least
that, to me, is the perceived threat.
What is beefy about that? Beefy to me means tasty, of substance,
fulfilling, delicious. Not, as the image implies, full of fat, gristle
and bone flavoured with condiment and stuffed in an over aerated bread roll.
None of these are Fedora why? because Fedora is "Bleeding Edge" full of
bugs and problems for the unwary and just when one has it working a
treat, it's gone, like a will-o-wisp.
Miracle, I'd say not. Just a much better operating system which takes
into account the lightening fast changes in technology. Fedora is out
there on the edge, leading the way, it is the light at the end of the
tunnel, the shining beacon to a better way.
Personally I would have preferred names that signify leadership,
quality, rapid development and resolution.
Having said that though, a beefy miracle in a roll is out of the
digestive system in 24 hours as waste matter, flushed away without a
thought. Is this an image for Fedora?
FWIW
Roger
9:48 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 14:21 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:50 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> >
> > > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> > > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> > > >
> > > > Childish.
> > >
> > > Why?
> >
> > Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
>
> Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?
Of course, except that early Fedora release names have been decided on
without voting.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora-_und_Red-Hat-Versionsnamen
None of these links explains the actual choices, they just explain how
the games works and what the connections are.
Explaining the *name* doesn't mean to explain that Heidelberg is a City
in the German state of Baden-Württemberg but why Heidelberg was chosen
in favor of any other city in Baden-Württemberg.
The Fedora Release name process has become much more open compared
with
Red Hat Linux ( http://www.smoogespace.com/documents/behind_the_names.html ).
Even during the RHL era. Red Hat Linux users that tried to figure out
the connection between consecutive release names.
You see: You are again explaining the rules rather than the choices.
While I have to admit that the connection is a little week this time,
the name itself is easy to explain. It is more related to Fedora than
any other name before.
Regards,
Christoph
7:21 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:50 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
>
> > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> > >
> > > Childish.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?
Of course, except that early Fedora release names have been decided on
without voting.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora-_und_Red-Hat-Versionsnamen
The Fedora Release name process has become much more open compared with
Red Hat Linux ( http://www.smoogespace.com/documents/behind_the_names.html ).
Even during the RHL era. Red Hat Linux users that tried to figure out
the connection between consecutive release names. With Red Hat Linux
employees laughing their ass off about what connections the community
came up with in sometimes longer discussions.
7:07 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> >
> > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
> >
> > Childish.
>
> Why?
Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
Have we ever explained names like Tettnang or Zod?
Regards,
Christoph
6:26 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 11/10/11 09:23, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the
days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one of the greatest Red Hat
releases ever it's just fair to have Fedora named "Beefy Miracle" 10
years later.
Just my 2 cents,
Christoph
Is not "Dead Beef" kernel coding?
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Frank Murphy
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6:25 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>
> > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
>
> Childish.
Why?
Well, try to explain it to the users without talking in riddles.
A mistake would be to link to pages, such as:
http://beefymiracle.org/history.html
3:23 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
Childish.
Why?
Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the
days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one of the greatest Red Hat
releases ever it's just fair to have Fedora named "Beefy Miracle" 10
years later.
Just my 2 cents,
Christoph
7:43 a.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On 11/10/11 10:23, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen:
> On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>
>> The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle
>
> Childish.
Why?
Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the
days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one of the greatest Red Hat
releases ever it's just fair to have Fedora named "Beefy Miracle" 10
years later.
What purpose do these codenames serve?
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Erik
8:45 p.m.
New subject: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 23:40 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> What is beefy about that? Beefy to me means tasty, of substance,
> fulfilling, delicious. Not, as the image implies, full of fat, gristle
> and bone flavoured with condiment and stuffed in an over aerated bread roll.
I guess Hindu's will see it differently
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