8:57 a.m.
Hello,
I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
No newer kernel installed.
During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
Cheers,
Frank
10:33 a.m.
On 07/31/2018 06:57 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
No newer kernel installed.
During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
The PAE kernel is no longer being built. You either need to switch to
non-PAE or 64-bit.
10:47 a.m.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:33:08 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/31/2018 06:57 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
> But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
> No newer kernel installed.
>
> During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
> kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
>
> Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
The PAE kernel is no longer being built. You either need to switch to
non-PAE or 64-bit.
Since when? The TP x121e got the kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
on 2018-07-17 19:19:51
Cheers,
Frank
1 p.m.
On 07/31/2018 08:47 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:33:08 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
> The PAE kernel is no longer being built. You either need to switch to
> non-PAE or 64-bit.
Since when? The TP x121e got the kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
on 2018-07-17 19:19:51
Since F28.
12:57 a.m.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:00:15 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/31/2018 08:47 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:33:08 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> The PAE kernel is no longer being built. You either need to switch to
>> non-PAE or 64-bit.
>
> Since when? The TP x121e got the kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> on 2018-07-17 19:19:51
Since F28.
Can you please explain the line
2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
Cheers,
Frank
1:15 a.m.
On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
Can you please explain the line
2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
non-PAE, built for F28.
Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
Look at the following 2 urls and check the i686 section. They are the
same kernel version, one built for F27, the other for F28:
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1131933 (F27)
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1131932 (F28)
1:50 a.m.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> Can you please explain the line
> 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
> from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
non-PAE, built for F28.
Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in updates repo.
So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this version for update?
Cheers,
Frank
2:06 a.m.
New subject: Re(2): F27->F28 no new kernel
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:50:27 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> > Can you please explain the line
> > 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
> > from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
>
> What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
> non-PAE, built for F28.
> Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Forget this. That was before the upgrade to F28. Overlooked that
And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in
updates repo.
So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this version for update?
This question is still awaiting an answer.
Cheers,
Frank
3:40 a.m.
New subject: Re(2): F27->F28 no new kernel
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:50:27 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> > > Can you please explain the line
> > > 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
> > > from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
> >
> > What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
> > non-PAE, built for F28.
> > Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
>
> Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
>
> But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
> 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Forget this. That was before the upgrade to F28. Overlooked that
> And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in updates repo.
> So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this version for update?
This question is still awaiting an answer.
I don't use yumex, but if it's looking in the yum database while dnf
looks in the dnf one, there could be an inconsistency. Just a thought.
poc
3:53 a.m.
New subject: Re(2): F27->F28 no new kernel
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:40:37 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:50:27 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> > > > Can you please explain the line
> > > > 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
> > > > from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
> > >
> > > What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
> > > non-PAE, built for F28.
> > > Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
> >
> > Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
> >
> > But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
> > 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> > ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Forget this. That was before the upgrade to F28. Overlooked that
>
> > And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in updates
repo.
> > So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this version for
update?
>
> This question is still awaiting an answer.
I don't use yumex, but if it's looking in the yum database while dnf
looks in the dnf one, there could be an inconsistency. Just a thought.
Thanks. I didn't know that.
But if I do "yum update" the newer kernel isn't offered :-(
Cheers, Frank
6:08 a.m.
New subject: Re(2): F27->F28 no new kernel
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 10:53 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote:
> I don't use yumex, but if it's looking in the yum
database while dnf
> looks in the dnf one, there could be an inconsistency. Just a thought.
Thanks. I didn't know that.
But if I do "yum update" the newer kernel isn't offered :-(
That might speak to a problem with yumex. As I say I don't use it (or
any GUI updater, though you might want to try dnfdragora). Personally I
only use dnf from the command line as I can (usually) understand what
it's doing.
However, this is all hypothetical. Your problem may be completely
unrelated to the actual tool, I've no idea.
poc
4:17 a.m.
New subject: Re(2): F27->F28 no new kernel
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 09:06 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:50:27 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> > > Can you please explain the line
> > > 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-
> > > 200.fc28.i686
> > > from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
> >
> > What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel,
> > 32-bit
> > non-PAE, built for F28.
> > Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
>
> Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
>
> But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log
> shows
> 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-
> 100.fc27.i686
> ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Forget this. That was before the upgrade to F28. Overlooked that
> And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in
> updates repo.
> So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this
> version for update?
This question is still awaiting an answer.
Packages are considered an update when their names matches (and kernel-
pae is different from kernel) and the architecture matches OR the new
package obsoletes the old one.
The kernel package does not obsolete the kernel-pae package I guess and
therefore none of the package handling tools sees it as an update. So
do an install of the kernel package from the dnf command line once and
it will be automatically be updated in the future (but you will loose >
4GB support), or you will have to install a 64bit kernel-x86_64.
Cheers, Louis
11:50 a.m.
On 08/01/2018 12:06 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:50:27 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:15:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 07/31/2018 10:57 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
>>> Can you please explain the line
>>> 2018-08-01T05:53:36Z INFO Installed: kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28.i686
>>> from /var/log/dnf.rpm.log of my 32bit F28 system?
>>
>> What is there to explain? That is version 4.17.9 of the kernel, 32-bit
>> non-PAE, built for F28.
>> Do you have more than 4GB of RAM in the computer?
>
> Ok, my fault. This old system with 2GB runs a non-PAE kernel.
>
> But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
> 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Forget this. That was before the upgrade to F28. Overlooked that
> And yumex shows kernel-4.17.9-200.fc28 for arch i686 available in updates repo.
> So, my question is: What could prevent dnf from offering this version for update?
This question is still awaiting an answer.
Frank, we've said this before and I don't understand why you're
not getting it:
Starting with F28, 32-bit PAE kernels are NOT being built and placed in
the the standard repos. The new F28 kernel you show is a pure i686,
32-bit kernel and _not_ PAE.
You've installed a PAE kernel. Yum/dnf can't find a match because there
are no PAE kernels for F28. The decision to not build PAE kernels was
made by the Red Hat/Fedora guiding committee. I guess the assumption
was that most people had migrated to 64-bit systems for the most part or
the majority of 32-bit machines had less than 4GB of RAM.
Your references to a "new" 4.17.7 PAE kernel keep overlooking that it's
for F27. If you need PAE, you will have to either keep using an F27 PAE
kernel (and updates will end when F27 goes end-of-life when F29 is
released) or download the F28 kernel source RPMs and build your own PAE
kernel. It's not hard to do if you've every built a kernel before (it's
just one flag in the configuration).
Perhaps you can convince the RPM Fusion people to build PAE kernels
and place them in their repos. I don't know.
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11:53 a.m.
On 08/01/2018 09:50 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
Frank, we've said this before and I don't understand why
you're
not getting it:
Starting with F28, 32-bit PAE kernels are NOT being built and placed in
the the standard repos. The new F28 kernel you show is a pure i686,
32-bit kernel and _not_ PAE.
The part he was missing was that dnf (and yum) will not consider the
plain kernel as an upgrade for the PAE kernel.
11:56 a.m.
On 07/31/2018 11:50 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log
shows
2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you're saying it's a ThinkPad. Why are you running 32-bit on
it? It's obviously 64-bit capable and not RAM limited.
noon
On 08/01/2018 09:56 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/31/2018 11:50 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
> 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you're saying it's a ThinkPad. Why are you running 32-bit on
it? It's obviously 64-bit capable and not RAM limited.
And note the kernel it installed is for F27. I don't know why he keeps
skipping over that little nugget.
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12:47 a.m.
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:56:52 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/31/2018 11:50 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> But on my TP x230i with 8GB running F28 file /var/log/dnf.rpm.log shows
> 2018-07-23T08:41:52Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
> ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I assume you're saying it's a ThinkPad. Why are you running 32-bit on
it? It's obviously 64-bit capable and not RAM limited.
For historical reasons it is 32bit.
I've decided to build a PAE kernel myself so expect questions
for this in the future.
And in the near future I'll change to 64bit if I have a
migration strategie to to this painless and quick.
cheers,
Frank
1:26 a.m.
On 08/01/2018 10:47 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
And in the near future I'll change to 64bit if I have a
migration strategie to to this painless and quick.
It isn't painless or quick. It requires a reinstall. You can run a
64-bit kernel even though the rest of the OS is 32-bit, but dnf might
get confused.
1:43 a.m.
On 08/02/18 14:26, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 08/01/2018 10:47 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> And in the near future I'll change to 64bit if I have a
> migration strategie to to this painless and quick.
It isn't painless or quick. It requires a reinstall. You can run a 64-bit kernel
even though the rest of the OS is 32-bit, but dnf might get confused.
I think I would phrase that in a slightly different manner as I consider the OS to
be
the kernel. I would state the last sentence as....
You can run a 64-bit kernel even though the applications are 32-bit.
I don't think dnf would get confused.
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Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a fact.
10:46 a.m.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:57:48 +0200
Frank Elsner <frank(a)moltke28.B.Shuttle.DE> wrote:
I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
No newer kernel installed.
During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
I went to koji and looked at the latest kernels for f27 and f28. The
f27 kernels all have PAE available, but the f28 kernels don't. I think
I vaguely recall seeing a note that pae was going to stop being built in
f28. You could always build it from the src.rpm by enabling PAE in the
spec file before you build. There's a switch for it, so it is easy,
just change the value from 0 to 1.
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel/Source_RPM
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel
11:14 a.m.
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:46:55 -0700 stan wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:57:48 +0200
Frank Elsner <frank(a)moltke28.B.Shuttle.DE> wrote:
> I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
> But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
> No newer kernel installed.
>
> During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
> kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
>
> Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
I went to koji and looked at the latest kernels for f27 and f28. The
f27 kernels all have PAE available, but the f28 kernels don't. I think
I vaguely recall seeing a note that pae was going to stop being built in
f28. You could always build it from the src.rpm by enabling PAE in the
spec file before you build. There's a switch for it, so it is easy,
just change the value from 0 to 1.
Can you explain why my TP x121e got a newer PAE kernel?
From my /var/log/dnf.rpm.log-20180723:
2018-07-23T06:11:27Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
Cheers, Frank
11:22 a.m.
On 07/31/2018 09:14 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:46:55 -0700 stan wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:57:48 +0200
> Frank Elsner <frank(a)moltke28.B.Shuttle.DE> wrote:
>
>> I've just upgraded my TP X230i from F27 to F28 painless.
>> But I'm still on my last F27 kernel-4.16.16-200.fc27.i686+PAE.
>> No newer kernel installed.
>>
>> During ame upgrade procedure on my TP x121e kernel was updated to
>> kernel-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686+PAE.
>>
>> Both systems are 32bit. What could prevent update to a newer kernel?
>
> I went to koji and looked at the latest kernels for f27 and f28. The
> f27 kernels all have PAE available, but the f28 kernels don't. I think
> I vaguely recall seeing a note that pae was going to stop being built in
> f28. You could always build it from the src.rpm by enabling PAE in the
> spec file before you build. There's a switch for it, so it is easy,
> just change the value from 0 to 1.
Can you explain why my TP x121e got a newer PAE kernel?
From my /var/log/dnf.rpm.log-20180723:
2018-07-23T06:11:27Z INFO Installed: kernel-PAE-4.17.7-100.fc27.i686
^^^^
Look at the log entry where I indicated. It's an F27 kernel. F28 doesn't
have PAE kernels so it won't upgrade to an F28 kernel. You could force
an F27 PAE kernel on the machine that didn't upgrade, but from now on
you won't see PAE kernels in the repos. You'll need to build them
yourself from the source RPMs.
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