Switching to Wayland on F27

[Digimer]

Hi all,

  I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;

From:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f27/system-administrators-guide/Wayland.html

====
  0 digimer@pulsar:~$ loginctl
   SESSION        UID USER             SEAT             TTY
        c2         42 gdm              seat0            /dev/tty1
         3       1000 digimer          seat0            /dev/tty2

2 sessions listed.
  0 digimer@pulsar:~$ loginctl show-session 3 -p Type
Type=x11
====

  That link doesn't say how to switch to Wayland, though. When I click
on the gear icon at the login screen, I only have "Gnome" and "Gnome
Classic" as options.

  Any hint on how to enable Wayland?

Thanks.

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Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould

[Danny Horne]

On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>    I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
>  on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
>
>    Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
>
>  Thanks.
>  
I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
/etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out

[Rex Dieter]

Danny Horne via users wrote:

>  On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
> > on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
> >
> >   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>  I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
>  /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out 
fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.

-- Rex

[Digimer]

On 2018-04-19 08:40 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  Danny Horne via users wrote:
>  
> > On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
> >> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
> >>
> >>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> > I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
> > /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out
>  
>  fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.
>  
>  -- Rex 
That line was already commented out. Do you know how to switch to Wayland?

-- 
Digimer
Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of
Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould

[Richard Shaw]

Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget
what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type
(Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have
installed.

Richard

[digimer]

On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>  Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I
>
>  forget what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your session 
>  type (Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you 
>  have installed.
>
>  Richard 
That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a
pretty 
stock Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three 
previous releases to F27.

digimer

[Stephen Morris]

On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:
>  On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I 
> > forget what it's called I'm at work) that lets you select your 
> > session type (Gnome/Wayland or Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop 
> > managers you have installed.
> >
> > Richard
>
>  That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a 
>  pretty stock Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or 
>  three previous releases to F27.
>
>  digimer
>  
I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it 
shows me 3 gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling 
wayland as specified in a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems 
to have put it back again), which indicate that in your case you 
potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. The 3 options I have are 
"Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on Xorg", of which the
first is 
wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance 
issues with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under 
Xorg, there is no implementation for Wayland yet.


regards,

Steve


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[Ed Greshko]

On 05/07/18 05:34, Stephen Morris wrote:
>  On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:
> > On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >> Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget what
> it's
> >> called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type (Gnome/Wayland or
> >> Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have installed.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >
> > That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system. Using a
> pretty stock
> > Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three previous releases to
> F27.
> >
> > digimer
> >
>  I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it shows me 3
>  gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling wayland as specified in
>  a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems to have put it back again), which
>  indicate that in your case you potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. The 3
>  options I have are "Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on
> Xorg", of which the first
>  is wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance issues
>  with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under Xorg, there is no
>  implementation for Wayland yet.
>  
You are incorrect about KDE not supporting wayland.  It isn't the default and it
isn't installed by default but you can get wayland support in KDE by installing
"plasma-workspace-wayland".  I've not tried it recently, but when I did I
had a
sluggish system.


-- 
Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a fact.

[Stephen Morris]

On 7/5/18 7:42 am, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 05/07/18 05:34, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > On 20/4/18 12:46 am, digimer wrote:
> >> On 2018-04-19 10:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >>> Once you select the user to log in as there's a dropdown menu (I forget
> what it's
> >>> called I'm at work) that lets you select your session type (Gnome/Wayland
> or
> >>> Gnome/Xorg) or whatever desktop managers you have installed.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >> That only shows "Gnome" or "Gnome Classic" on my system.
> Using a pretty stock
> >> Fedora install, though it's been upgrade from two or three previous releases
> to F27.
> >>
> >> digimer
> >>
> > I now use kdm as my display manager, gdm had issues with wayland, and it shows me 3
> > gnome options (I did have one of these removed by disabling wayland as specified in
> > a previous thread, but a subsequent update seems to have put it back again), which
> > indicate that in your case you potentially are using wayland and not Xorg. The 3
> > options I have are "Gnome", "Gnome Classic" and "Gnome on
> Xorg", of which the first
> > is wayland. I disabled wayland originally because it had huge performance issues
> > with gdm and gnome. I am using kde as it still only runs under Xorg, there is no
> > implementation for Wayland yet.
> >
>  You are incorrect about KDE not supporting wayland.  It isn't the default and it
>  isn't installed by default but you can get wayland support in KDE by installing
>  "plasma-workspace-wayland".  I've not tried it recently, but when I did I
> had a
>  sluggish system. 
Thanks Ed, when I had the performance issues with Gdm and Gnome in 
Wayland, and I queried why Gnome had them but KDE didn't, and why I 
didn't have the same menu entries for KDE that are provided for Gnome, I 
was told that Wayland had only been implemented for Gnome.

regards,

Steve

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[Rex Dieter]

Digimer wrote:

>  On 2018-04-19 08:40 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Danny Horne via users wrote:
> > 
> >> On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am
> >>>   still
> >>> on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
> >>>
> >>>   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >> I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
> >> /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out
> > 
> > fyi, that change only affects gdm itself, not user sessions.
> > 
> > -- Rex
>  
>  That line was already commented out. Do you know how to switch to Wayland? 
gnome autodetects if your system supports wayland or not. I don't think 
there's a way to manually override that.

The real question: why does that detection fail in your case?  (one 
possibility: do you use nvidia drivers?)

-- Rex

[Digimer]

On 2018-04-19 07:07 AM, Danny Horne via users wrote:
>  On 19/04/18 04:50, Digimer wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >   I've updated my OS a few times now and it would appear that I am still
> > on Xorg of Fedora 27 workstation;
> >
> >   Any hint on how to enable Wayland?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>  I had to switch from Wayland to Xorg a while back.  Edit
>  /etc/gdm/custom.conf and make sure WaylandEnable=false is commented out 
It's already commented out.

-- 
Digimer
Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/
"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of
Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent
have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould