F32 => F33 Error: Transaction test error: [unseen space]

[Beartooth]

	Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=33 
--allowerasing

gets me a transaction test error saying 

At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.

	But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB 
unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used.

	Partitioning seems simple till I have to use it, and then 
immediately bewilders me. What do I have to do??

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, October 30, 2020 4:47:00 PM WET Beartooth wrote:
>          Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh
> --releasever=33
>  --allowerasing
>  
>  gets me a transaction test error saying
>  
>  At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
>  
>          But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB
>  unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used.
>  
>          Partitioning seems simple till I have to use it, and then
>  immediately bewilders me. What do I have to do?? 
Could it be the /boot partition that is the culprit here? Do you have a 
separate boot partition?
-- 
José Matos

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/30/20 9:47 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  
>  	Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=33
>  --allowerasing
>  
>  gets me a transaction test error saying
>  
>  At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
>  
>  	But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB
>  unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used. 
gparted is not really the right tool.  Do you really mean /dev/sda? 
That's the whole disk, not a partition and if you have unused space, 
that means you aren't using the whole drive.  The more important 
information is what does "df -h / /home /dev/sdb1" show?

[Beartooth]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 00:55:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

>  On 10/30/20 9:47 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> > 
> > 	Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=33
> > --allowerasing
> > 
> > gets me a transaction test error saying
> > 
> > At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
> > 
> > 	But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB
> > unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used.
>  
>  gparted is not really the right tool.   
	I used it only to show the partitions; shudda said so. Sorry.

>  Do you really mean /dev/sda?
>  That's the whole disk, not a partition and if you have unused space,
>  that means you aren't using the whole drive.   
	Probably. The whole subject of partitions seems clear to me till 
I try to apply it, and then suddenly all I think I know evaporates. I was 
trying to check how much space I had available on the whole machine. 

	Would mate-disk-usage-analyzer have been better?

>  The more important
>  information is what does "df -h / /home /dev/sdb1" show? 
       $ df -h / /home/dev/sdb2
         df: /home/dev/sdb2: No such file or directory
         Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
         /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  885M  95% /

	What does that first slash do? Should I be doing "df -h /" 
instead of just "df -h" routinely??

	Fwiw, I *think* root has his own partition. Every time I try to 
use Anaconda for custom partitioning, I foul up, and end up having to 
accept the default. <sigh> But maybe that's convenient now.

	Anyway, in case it helps, I also see 
         
         $ df -h
         df: /run/user/1000/doc: Operation not permitted
         Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
         devtmpfs                   7.8G     0  7.8G   0% /dev
         tmpfs                      7.8G   45M  7.8G   1% /dev/shm
         tmpfs                      7.8G  1.6M  7.8G   1% /run
         /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  877M  95% /
         tmpfs                      7.8G  144K  7.8G   1% /tmp
         /dev/sda1                 1014M  293M  722M  29% /boot
         tmpfs                      1.6G   68K  1.6G   1% /run/user/1000

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 13:55, Beartooth <Beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote:

>  On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 00:55:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
>  > On 10/30/20 9:47 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  >>
>  >>      Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=33
>  >> --allowerasing
>  >>
>  >> gets me a transaction test error saying
>  >>
>  >> At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
>  >>
>  >>      But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB
>  >> unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used.
>  >
>  > gparted is not really the right tool.
>
>          I used it only to show the partitions; shudda said so. Sorry.
>
>  > Do you really mean /dev/sda?
>  > That's the whole disk, not a partition and if you have unused space,
>  > that means you aren't using the whole drive.
>
>          Probably. The whole subject of partitions seems clear to me till
>  I try to apply it, and then suddenly all I think I know evaporates. I was
>  trying to check how much space I had available on the whole machine.
>
>          Would mate-disk-usage-analyzer have been better?
>
>  > The more important
>  > information is what does "df -h / /home /dev/sdb1" show?
>
>         $ df -h / /home/dev/sdb2
>           df: /home/dev/sdb2: No such file or directory
>  
Missing the 2nd <space> character:  "df -h
/<space>/home<space>/dev/sdb1"


>           Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>           /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  885M  95% /
>
>          What does that first slash do? Should I be doing "df -h /"
>  instead of just "df -h" routinely??
>
>          Fwiw, I *think* root has his own partition. Every time I try to
>  use Anaconda for custom partitioning, I foul up, and end up having to
>  accept the default. <sigh> But maybe that's convenient now.
>
>          Anyway, in case it helps, I also see
>
>           $ df -h
>           df: /run/user/1000/doc: Operation not permitted
>           Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>           devtmpfs                   7.8G     0  7.8G   0% /dev
>           tmpfs                      7.8G   45M  7.8G   1% /dev/shm
>           tmpfs                      7.8G  1.6M  7.8G   1% /run
>           /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  877M  95% /
>  
15G is very small, so not surprising that it is 95% full, but since
you seem to be using LVM it should be possible to use some of
the 88GB available on /dev/sda.


>           tmpfs                      7.8G  144K  7.8G   1% /tmp
>           /dev/sda1                 1014M  293M  722M  29% /boot
>           tmpfs                      1.6G   68K  1.6G   1% /run/user/1000
>  

-- 
George N. White III

[Jonathan Billings]

On Oct 31, 2020, at 15:04, George N. White III <gnwiii(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  15G is very small, so not surprising that it is 95% full, but since 
>  you seem to be using LVM it should be possible to use some of 
>  the 88GB available on /dev/sda.
>   
If I recall correctly, the default partition layout for Fedora *Server* 32 was LVM with
only a 15G root filesystem, regardless of how much space was available.  The expectation
is that the user will expand the root LV or create other file systems to use the rest of
the space free in the VG. 

--
Jonathan Billings <billings(a)negate.org&gt;

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/31/20 9:55 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 00:55:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  	Probably. The whole subject of partitions seems clear to me till
>  I try to apply it, and then suddenly all I think I know evaporates. I was
>  trying to check how much space I had available on the whole machine.
>  
>  	Would mate-disk-usage-analyzer have been better? 
Possibly, but unless you haven't fully partitioned your hard drive, "df" 
is best.

> > The more important
> > information is what does "df -h / /home /dev/sdb1" show?
>  
>          $ df -h / /home/dev/sdb2
>            df: /home/dev/sdb2: No such file or directory
>            Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>            /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  885M  95% /
>  
>  	What does that first slash do? Should I be doing "df -h /"
>  instead of just "df -h" routinely?? 
"df -h" by itself shows everything.  By adding parameters, I was 
restricting it to specific items.  However, you missed a space and also 
put a 2 instead of a 1, so it didn't work.  But you included the full 
list below, so that's ok.

>  	Fwiw, I *think* root has his own partition. Every time I try to
>  use Anaconda for custom partitioning, I foul up, and end up having to
>  accept the default. <sigh> But maybe that's convenient now.
>  
>  	Anyway, in case it helps, I also see
>            
>            $ df -h
>            Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>            /dev/mapper/fedora-root00   15G   15G  877M  95% / 
That is tiny and is your problem.

>            /dev/sda1                 1014M  293M  722M  29% /boot
If that's the entire output of "df", then you don't even have a /home 
partition, so that's also in the 15G of /.
What's the output of "fdisk -l"?
At this point, it looks like your best option is to do a full re-install 
again.

[Jon Ingason]

Den 2020-10-30 kl. 17:47, skrev Beartooth:
>  
>  	Running ]#  dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=33 
>  --allowerasing
>  
>  gets me a transaction test error saying 
>  
>  At least 674MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
>  
>  	But gparted shows /dev/sda with 111.79 GB including 87.94 GB 
>  unused, and /dev/sdb1 with 1.8 TB, and only  4 MB used.
>  
>  	Partitioning seems simple till I have to use it, and then 
>  immediately bewilders me. What do I have to do??
>   
What does "df -h /" say?

-- 
Regards

Jon Ingason