I understand that the fedora package for kopete can send and receive webcam pictures, but not a full video_sound connection. I also understand that the latest packages from source can manage both.
Has anyone got video working in kopete? If so, is it the fedora package or self-compiled? It's easy enough on the configuration page, but I can't get any sense out of it in use. I can receive messages that my friend wants to send webcam images, and he can see the same from me, but accepting them seems to make no difference.
I would think, too, that it would be necessary to open some firewall ports. Anyone able to comment on this?
Anne
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 15:54 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
I understand that the fedora package for kopete can send and receive webcam pictures, but not a full video_sound connection. I also understand that the latest packages from source can manage both.
Has anyone got video working in kopete? If so, is it the fedora package or self-compiled? It's easy enough on the configuration page, but I can't get any sense out of it in use. I can receive messages that my friend wants to send webcam images, and he can see the same from me, but accepting them seems to make no difference.
I would think, too, that it would be necessary to open some firewall ports. Anyone able to comment on this?
Anne
Anne,
I tried sharing my Logitech Communicate STX webcam under kopete over MSN messenger network without much luck. Establishing connection was a real pain in the back side (large number of retires to get it working) and from time to time my image would freeze (both in the preview window and on the other end).
For now, I'm using the amsn package which seems to work just fine.
Once I'll have some free time I'll do some testing and report the problems upstream.
- Gilboa
On Monday 08 January 2007 16:22, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 15:54 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
I understand that the fedora package for kopete can send and receive webcam pictures, but not a full video_sound connection. I also understand that the latest packages from source can manage both.
Has anyone got video working in kopete? If so, is it the fedora package or self-compiled? It's easy enough on the configuration page, but I can't get any sense out of it in use. I can receive messages that my friend wants to send webcam images, and he can see the same from me, but accepting them seems to make no difference.
I would think, too, that it would be necessary to open some firewall ports. Anyone able to comment on this?
Anne
Anne,
I tried sharing my Logitech Communicate STX webcam under kopete over MSN messenger network without much luck. Establishing connection was a real pain in the back side (large number of retires to get it working) and from time to time my image would freeze (both in the preview window and on the other end).
Did you have to do anything other than click on the send icon to get the video transmitted? And received?
I can see it in the setup page, but haven't managed anything at all in use.
For now, I'm using the amsn package which seems to work just fine.
That's one I've never tried at all.
Once I'll have some free time I'll do some testing and report the problems upstream.
Thanks.
I've been trying to get both kopete and ekiga working, but it's hard work if you don't know whether the problems are at the local end, the remote end, or both.
Anne
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 16:22, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Anne,
I tried sharing my Logitech Communicate STX webcam under kopete over MSN messenger network without much luck. Establishing connection was a real pain in the back side (large number of retires to get it working) and from time to time my image would freeze (both in the preview window and on the other end).
Did you have to do anything other than click on the send icon to get the video transmitted? And received?
In the chat window: Chat -> Send Webcam. If the other side sends you an invitation, you can "accept" or "reject" it. After a couple of unsuccessful "accepts" I managed to establish a connection. But sadly enough, it didn't last... :(
I can see it in the setup page, but haven't managed anything at all in use.
For now, I'm using the amsn package which seems to work just fine.
That's one I've never tried at all.
It's in extras. It uses an old fltk interface. AFAICS it doesn't even do AA fonts.
But it works.
Once I'll have some free time I'll do some testing and report the problems upstream.
Thanks.
I've been trying to get both kopete and ekiga working, but it's hard work if you don't know whether the problems are at the local end, the remote end, or both.
Indeed. Even worse, the MSN protocol itself is... err... not that reliable. :(
- Gilboa
On Monday 08 January 2007 17:30, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 16:22, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Anne,
I tried sharing my Logitech Communicate STX webcam under kopete over MSN messenger network without much luck. Establishing connection was a real pain in the back side (large number of retires to get it working) and from time to time my image would freeze (both in the preview window and on the other end).
Did you have to do anything other than click on the send icon to get the video transmitted? And received?
In the chat window: Chat -> Send Webcam. If the other side sends you an invitation, you can "accept" or "reject" it. After a couple of unsuccessful "accepts" I managed to establish a connection. But sadly enough, it didn't last... :(
Both my friend and I tried many times, but never got it to work.
I can see it in the setup page, but haven't managed anything at all in use.
For now, I'm using the amsn package which seems to work just fine.
That's one I've never tried at all.
It's in extras. It uses an old fltk interface. AFAICS it doesn't even do AA fonts.
But it works.
Once I'll have some free time I'll do some testing and report the problems upstream.
Thanks.
I've been trying to get both kopete and ekiga working, but it's hard work if you don't know whether the problems are at the local end, the remote end, or both.
Indeed. Even worse, the MSN protocol itself is... err... not that reliable. :(
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
- Gilboa
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/linux.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/484/twain_shania.html
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 8:09 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Dotan.
I too am having problems with my Logitech Quickcam Chat. This is how I installed it.
1) Install the kernel-devel package.
2) Go to http://mxhaard/download.html and download the 20070110.tar.gz tarball.
3 Untar it.
4) As root, in a terminal, cd to its untarred folder.
5) Type make (./configure isn't needed)
6) Type make install
7) Type modprobe gspca
8) Type modprobe snd_usb_audio
9) Reboot
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
HTH
Keith
Dotan.
Sorry, a slight typo.
The full name of the tarball is: gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz.
I understand it's a later version than the one in ATrpms.
Keith
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 20:51, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
Good for you. It didn't for me. I've being trying to update the atrpms version today, but I'm having no success at all. I updated the kernel first, but I'm seeing for hdr in conduit.getRpmDB().getHdrList(): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 135, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 442, in buildTransaction self.plugins.run('postresolve', rescode=rescode, restring=restring) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 153, in run func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/kmdl.py", line 99, in postresolve_hook kmdl_install(conduit, kernels, kmdls(conduit)) File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/kmdl.py", line 80, in kmdl_install if not pkgfound or compareEVR(pkg.returnEVR(), pkgfound.returnEVR()) == 1: File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/rpmUtils/miscutils.py", line 35, in compareEVR def compareEVR((e1, v1, r1), (e2, v2, r2)): TypeError: unpack non-sequence
Anne
Two hours ago, I sent this message to the list. It hasn't arrived, although a second one I sent arrived within about three minutes of sending it.
So here is is again, with the typing error corrected. Let us hope that this arrives!
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 8:09 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Dotan.
I too am having problems with my Logitech Quickcam Chat. This is how I installed it.
1) Install the kernel-devel package.
2) Go to http://mxhaard/download.html and download the gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz tarball.
3 Untar it.
4) As root, in a terminal, cd to its untarred folder.
5) Type make (./configure isn't needed)
6) Type make install
7) Type modprobe gspca
8) Type modprobe snd_usb_audio
9) Reboot
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
HTH
Keith
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 09:20:45PM +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
Dotan.
Sorry, a slight typo.
The full name of the tarball is: gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz.
I understand it's a later version than the one in ATrpms.
That's the ATrpms version (1.00.12), e.g. you do get the latest at ATrpms (thanks to Paulo Roma BTW).
On 17/01/07, Scott van Looy scott@ethosuk.org.uk wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
What FUD? I said it worked for me out of the box on Kubuntu. I haven't even tried it yet on Fedora. Better yet, your FUD-crying makes real FUD go unchallenged. As soon as I _do_ have problems (if I do) then I'll take care of them. Until I do, I'll be happy.
Dotan Cohen
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/12/aaliyah.html http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/what_is_a_cellphone.html
On 18/01/07, Keith Powell keith@keithg4jvx.force9.co.uk wrote:
Two hours ago, I sent this message to the list. It hasn't arrived, although a second one I sent arrived within about three minutes of sending it.
So here is is again, with the typing error corrected. Let us hope that this arrives!
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 8:09 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Dotan.
I too am having problems with my Logitech Quickcam Chat. This is how I installed it.
Install the kernel-devel package.
Go to http://mxhaard/download.html and download the
gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz tarball.
3 Untar it.
As root, in a terminal, cd to its untarred folder.
Type make (./configure isn't needed)
Type make install
Type modprobe gspca
Type modprobe snd_usb_audio
Reboot
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
HTH
Keith
Thanks, Keith. I'm saving this email for when I install in the next few weeks. Of course I'd prefer a working Kopete, but this might be a good chance to try out the latest Gaim||Amsn if it doesn't.
Dotan Cohen
http://essentialinux.com/emulators.php http://liriks-song.com
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 10:37:47PM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
Good for you. It didn't for me. I've being trying to update the atrpms version today, but I'm having no success at all. I updated the kernel first, but I'm seeing for hdr in conduit.getRpmDB().getHdrList(): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 135, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 442, in buildTransaction self.plugins.run('postresolve', rescode=rescode, restring=restring) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 153, in run func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/kmdl.py", line 99, in postresolve_hook kmdl_install(conduit, kernels, kmdls(conduit))
Are you using selective/partial enebaling of upgrades? E.g. only updating stuff from ATrpms as you see fit (with --enablerepo etc.)?
That's the price you pay, because you then miss important updates - you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl. Your best bet is to uninstall it, and deactivate the selective/partial enablement of the ATrpms repo.
Again: don't use half a repo, better not to use the repo at all.
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 10:37:47PM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
Good for you. It didn't for me. I've being trying to update the atrpms version today, but I'm having no success at all. I updated the kernel first, but I'm seeing for hdr in conduit.getRpmDB().getHdrList(): Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/yum", line 29, in ? yummain.main(sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/share/yum-cli/yummain.py", line 135, in main (result, resultmsgs) = base.buildTransaction() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/__init__.py", line 442, in buildTransaction self.plugins.run('postresolve', rescode=rescode, restring=restring) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/yum/plugins.py", line 153, in run func(conduitcls(self, self.base, conf, **kwargs)) File "/usr/lib/yum-plugins/kmdl.py", line 99, in postresolve_hook kmdl_install(conduit, kernels, kmdls(conduit))
Are you using selective/partial enebaling of upgrades? E.g. only updating stuff from ATrpms as you see fit (with --enablerepo etc.)?
Yes
That's the price you pay, because you then miss important updates - you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl. Your best bet is to uninstall it, and deactivate the selective/partial enablement of the ATrpms repo.
Again: don't use half a repo, better not to use the repo at all.
The problem is that if the repo is always enabled it wants to update lots of packages that came from Fedora - at least that's what it looks as though is happening.
How can I list all packages I have that come from atrpms? At least that would help me make a sensible decision on this.
Anne
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 21:13, Keith Powell wrote:
I too am having problems with my Logitech Quickcam Chat. This is how I installed it.
Install the kernel-devel package.
Go to http://mxhaard/download.html and download the 20070110.tar.gz
tarball.
3 Untar it.
As root, in a terminal, cd to its untarred folder.
Type make (./configure isn't needed)
Type make install
Type modprobe gspca
Type modprobe snd_usb_audio
Reboot
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
Although I use the atrpms version of the gspca driver, I've had the same experience.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
It works for me in aMSN, though not perfectly. Colour is a big problem, and the picture is slow and jerky. I think that's a driver problem.
In kopete, the config screen sees the video, but like you, I can't get it to either send or receive video.
Anne
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:17, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Keith. I'm saving this email for when I install in the next few weeks. Of course I'd prefer a working Kopete, but this might be a good chance to try out the latest Gaim||Amsn if it doesn't.
Messages on the kde-users list have led me to believe that only the very latest kopete is going to work for us. Meanwhile, aMSN looks like the best option for the moment.
Anne
On 18/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Messages on the kde-users list have led me to believe that only the very latest kopete is going to work for us. Meanwhile, aMSN looks like the best option for the moment.
Anne
Like said, on Kubuntu it works out of the box. What version Kopete have you? I've got 0.12.3 and it works jsut fine.
Dotan Cohen
http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/302/lauper_cyndi.html http://dotancohen.com/gallery/index.html
On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:30, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 18/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Messages on the kde-users list have led me to believe that only the very latest kopete is going to work for us. Meanwhile, aMSN looks like the best option for the moment.
Anne
Like said, on Kubuntu it works out of the box. What version Kopete have you? I've got 0.12.3 and it works jsut fine.
0.12.3
Anne
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
rpm -qi yum-plug-kmdl package yum-plug-kmdl is not installed
Your best bet is to uninstall it, and deactivate the selective/partial enablement of the ATrpms repo.
Again: don't use half a repo, better not to use the repo at all.
Enabling the repo then checking for updates shows 250+ lines before failing in this way, when I have just 10 atrpms packages installed, including gspcav1-kmdl-2.6.18-1.2798.fc6.i686
Anne
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 17/01/07, Scott van Looy scott@ethosuk.org.uk wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
What FUD? I said it worked for me out of the box on Kubuntu. I haven't even tried it yet on Fedora. Better yet, your FUD-crying makes real FUD go unchallenged. As soon as I _do_ have problems (if I do) then I'll take care of them. Until I do, I'll be happy.
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad" - fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt...
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:16, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 17/01/07, Scott van Looy scott@ethosuk.org.uk wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
What FUD? I said it worked for me out of the box on Kubuntu. I haven't even tried it yet on Fedora. Better yet, your FUD-crying makes real FUD go unchallenged. As soon as I _do_ have problems (if I do) then I'll take care of them. Until I do, I'll be happy.
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad"
- fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and
doubt...
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
Fear there may be. Uncertainty and doubt - no. You will see that both Keith and I are having great problems. They exist. If someone comments that another distro can handle something but FC can't, that's legitimate comment. As it is, Dotan has said that he can use it in kubuntu, and will try it on fedora.
If you have nothing helpful to add, perhaps you should question why you are replying.
Anne
On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:16 pm, Scott van Looy wrote:
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad" - fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt...
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
Scott.
Anne and I are having great problems with webcams and FC6.
We certainly are not spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. Everything we have written is fact.
We have problems and are commenting on them and also asking for help.
What solution can you offer which will solve the problems?
Keith
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:00:54AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
rpm -qi yum-plug-kmdl package yum-plug-kmdl is not installed
Typo, it's plugin, not plug.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 08:54:44AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
How can I list all packages I have that come from atrpms?
There are various ways, I mostly like the following:
rpm -qa --qf '%{name} %{vendor}\n'
because it works with all repos. Other than that you can check which packages are from ATrpms with the '.at' part in the release tag.
On 18/01/07, Scott van Looy scott@ethosuk.org.uk wrote:
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad"
- fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and
doubt...
Yes, I was surprised to see that is the situation on Fedora. Fact that I subscribe to the Fedora list shows that I feel Fedora is my 'home' distro, even when I'm toying with others. And I'm very interested in the features that I use, hence me even reading this thread. I'm also surprised to find that things that work in less cutting-edge distros, such as Ubuntu, don't work in Fedora.
What fear have I spread? That I'm shocked? If Dotan being shocked is enough to make you fearful, then you obviously know a lot more about me than I know about you.
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
I think that I missed an important word in that sentence.
Dotan Cohen
http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/what_is_a_cellphone.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/366/mytown.html
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 20:51 +0000, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 08/01/07, Anne Wilson cannewilson@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
ARGH!
If the two of you would have taken the time to read the thread instead of playing "who's the biggest jack-ass" you'd notice that: A. This has nothing to do with the kernel module - in both cases (Mine and the OP) the webcam works just fine under non-kopete applications. B. There's a bug in Kopete that breaks the MSN accept/reject webcam cycle. C. At least in my case, kopete freezes out from time to time once the webcam is active.
As as I said up the thread, my webcam works just fine under both amsn and mplayer. Once I'll have some free time I'll open a BZ in kde.org and try to help them sort this problem out.
Geez! - Gilboa
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:40, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 08:54:44AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
How can I list all packages I have that come from atrpms?
There are various ways, I mostly like the following:
rpm -qa --qf '%{name} %{vendor}\n'
because it works with all repos. Other than that you can check which packages are from ATrpms with the '.at' part in the release tag.
Yes, I suddenly realised the second method would work. That's how I came to the conclusion that I had only 10 atrpms packages installed.
Anne
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:38, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:00:54AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
rpm -qi yum-plug-kmdl package yum-plug-kmdl is not installed
Typo, it's plugin, not plug.
OK -
Name : yum-plugin-kmdl Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.2 Vendor: ATrpms.net Release : 3.fc6.at Build Date: Fri 20 Oct 2006 04:08:41 PM BST Install Date: Mon 13 Nov 2006 05:06:56 PM GMT Build Host: fc6.atrpms.net
I'm not sure what you meant by 'old bogus version', Axel.
I've removed it and installed the latest one. It looks as though I'm snookered. gspcav1 will not install with kernel 1.6.18-1.2798, and 2.6.18-1.2869 causes me other problems (udev).
Anne
On Thursday 18 January 2007 14:32, Gilboa Davara wrote:
ARGH!
If the two of you would have taken the time to read the thread instead of playing "who's the biggest jack-ass" you'd notice that: A. This has nothing to do with the kernel module - in both cases (Mine and the OP) the webcam works just fine under non-kopete applications. B. There's a bug in Kopete that breaks the MSN accept/reject webcam cycle. C. At least in my case, kopete freezes out from time to time once the webcam is active.
As as I said up the thread, my webcam works just fine under both amsn and mplayer. Once I'll have some free time I'll open a BZ in kde.org and try to help them sort this problem out.
Gilboa, I don't mind doing the work, if you can give me a few instructions to get started. I don't want to open a bug report without being able to give the info that's really required. I can describe what happens, and what happens in other apps. What more is needed?
Anne
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:28 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 14:32, Gilboa Davara wrote:
ARGH!
If the two of you would have taken the time to read the thread instead of playing "who's the biggest jack-ass" you'd notice that: A. This has nothing to do with the kernel module - in both cases (Mine and the OP) the webcam works just fine under non-kopete applications. B. There's a bug in Kopete that breaks the MSN accept/reject webcam cycle. C. At least in my case, kopete freezes out from time to time once the webcam is active.
As as I said up the thread, my webcam works just fine under both amsn and mplayer. Once I'll have some free time I'll open a BZ in kde.org and try to help them sort this problem out.
Gilboa, I don't mind doing the work, if you can give me a few instructions to get started. I don't want to open a bug report without being able to give the info that's really required. I can describe what happens, and what happens in other apps. What more is needed?
Anne
Anne,
Open the bug report and post the BZ here. I'll CC myself and help you. (If you'll need my help ;)).
Oh, I'd suggest you also file a BZ in bugzilla.redhat and post a link to the upstream bug. (Just so people won't generate duplicate BZ')
BTW, does your webcam picture freeze from time to time when you open the "device" tab in the Kopete properties?
- Gilboa
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 08:59 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:17, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Keith. I'm saving this email for when I install in the next few weeks. Of course I'd prefer a working Kopete, but this might be a good chance to try out the latest Gaim||Amsn if it doesn't.
Messages on the kde-users list have led me to believe that only the very latest kopete is going to work for us. Meanwhile, aMSN looks like the best option for the moment.
Anne
fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
3.5.6 is just 'round the corner. Does it include the required kopete fix?
- Gilboa
On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:04, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Open the bug report and post the BZ here. I'll CC myself and help you. (If you'll need my help ;)).
I'll do that.
Oh, I'd suggest you also file a BZ in bugzilla.redhat and post a link to the upstream bug. (Just so people won't generate duplicate BZ')
OK
BTW, does your webcam picture freeze from time to time when you open the "device" tab in the Kopete properties?
I've not noticed it. I can't test it right now, either, as I'm suffering from the video0/video1 problem. I can't find anywhere to set this, either. I've set up a persistent symlink /dev/webcam that should track the connection, but I can't find how to make kopete look there.
One other thing - I note that there is no PAL setting in kopete. I set it to SECAM, but I haven't a clue what difference that makes. ISTR that I tried both NTSC and SECAM, and neither seemed to make much difference.
Anne
On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:07, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 08:59 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:17, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Keith. I'm saving this email for when I install in the next few weeks. Of course I'd prefer a working Kopete, but this might be a good chance to try out the latest Gaim||Amsn if it doesn't.
Messages on the kde-users list have led me to believe that only the very latest kopete is going to work for us. Meanwhile, aMSN looks like the best option for the moment.
Anne
fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
3.5.6 is just 'round the corner. Does it include the required kopete fix?
I'll ask on the kde-users list - before I file the BZ :-)
This was said on the list last week -
You should be able to build Kopete separately and install it over the
version
that came with Kdenetwork. I don't know much about building on Fedora, though.
I'm using kopete 0.12.3 in Gentoo but I can't see anything regarding sound in kopete. Video works reasonably well, (much better than prev versions) although it still crashes the whole kopete from time to time. Also, Kopete allowing duplicate instances of the same camera makes no sense.
If this version supports sound I would like to know how. Checking the manual I can't find anything.
No-one answered.
Anne
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:21:28PM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:38, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:00:54AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
Name : yum-plugin-kmdl Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.2 Vendor: ATrpms.net Release : 3.fc6.at Build Date: Fri 20 Oct 2006 04:08:41 PM BST Install Date: Mon 13 Nov 2006 05:06:56 PM GMT Build Host: fc6.atrpms.net
I'm not sure what you meant by 'old bogus version', Axel.
0.2 had a bug, it's currently at 0.5.
On Thursday 18 January 2007 20:13, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:21:28PM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:38, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:00:54AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
Name : yum-plugin-kmdl Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.2 Vendor: ATrpms.net Release : 3.fc6.at Build Date: Fri 20 Oct 2006 04:08:41 PM BST Install Date: Mon 13 Nov 2006 05:06:56 PM GMT Build Host: fc6.atrpms.net
I'm not sure what you meant by 'old bogus version', Axel.
0.2 had a bug, it's currently at 0.5.
OK - finally got the whole problem sorted and the new gspcav1 driver installed. Hopefully, by tomorrow I'll work out how to get kopete, amsn and ekiga to look at /dev/webcam instead of /dev/video0
Thanks for clarifying things.
Anne
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 19:18 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
One other thing - I note that there is no PAL setting in kopete. I set it to SECAM, but I haven't a clue what difference that makes. ISTR that I tried both NTSC and SECAM, and neither seemed to make much difference.
They're video standards, primarily for COMPOSITE video, though still applicable to Y/C and maybe to YUV (but only as far as specify scan rate). If you're using something like a USB webcam, such things have no meaning. You'd only need to specify a video standard if you were using a video camera through your capture card.
On Thursday 18 January 2007 21:49, Tim wrote:
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 19:18 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
One other thing - I note that there is no PAL setting in kopete. I set it to SECAM, but I haven't a clue what difference that makes. ISTR that I tried both NTSC and SECAM, and neither seemed to make much difference.
They're video standards,
That much I knew -
primarily for COMPOSITE video, though still applicable to Y/C and maybe to YUV (but only as far as specify scan rate). If you're using something like a USB webcam, such things have no meaning.
The rest I didn't.
You'd only need to specify a video standard if you were using a video camera through your capture card.
Yes, I do that, thanks.
Thanks for the explanation.
Anne
Tim:
primarily for COMPOSITE video, though still applicable to Y/C and maybe to YUV (but only as far as to specify scan rates). If you're using something like a USB webcam, such things have no meaning.
Anne Wilson:
The rest I didn't.
They're *mostly* to do with the colour encoding scheme. Before we had colour, the standards had different names (CCIR, EIAJ, etc.), and they specified scanning rates. Then when colour was *added*, we got a new set of standards that expanded on that.
The converse applies: They're also part of the colour decoding scheme. But, again, that doesn't really apply for webcamming.
On Thursday 18 January 2007 18:04, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Anne,
Open the bug report and post the BZ here. I'll CC myself and help you. (If you'll need my help ;)).
Oh, I'd suggest you also file a BZ in bugzilla.redhat and post a link to the upstream bug. (Just so people won't generate duplicate BZ')
BTW, does your webcam picture freeze from time to time when you open the "device" tab in the Kopete properties?
I've just been looking at the kde bugzilla, with search 'kopete video'. There are lots of reports about video, most of them very old, but enough about the colour and/or quality of video pictures to make me think that many people are having this working correctly. I'm beginning to think that it may be a fedora package problem.
Maybe this weekend I'll have time to try to build the stand=alone kopete package, and see if that works.
Anne
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 20:22 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 20:13, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 05:21:28PM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 13:38, Axel Thimm wrote:
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:00:54AM +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 23:21, Axel Thimm wrote:
you seem to have an old bogus version of the yum-plugin-kmdl.
Name : yum-plugin-kmdl Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.2 Vendor: ATrpms.net Release : 3.fc6.at Build Date: Fri 20 Oct 2006 04:08:41 PM BST Install Date: Mon 13 Nov 2006 05:06:56 PM GMT Build Host: fc6.atrpms.net
I'm not sure what you meant by 'old bogus version', Axel.
0.2 had a bug, it's currently at 0.5.
OK - finally got the whole problem sorted and the new gspcav1 driver installed. Hopefully, by tomorrow I'll work out how to get kopete, amsn and ekiga to look at /dev/webcam instead of /dev/video0
Thanks for clarifying things.
Anne
BTW,
If you are havign problems with udev and you don't have the time to fix/create the appropriate udev usb-cam rules, just create a static device node [1] in /etc/dev and point the application to the static device nodes instead of the udev generated ones.
- Gilboa [1] man 1 mknod
On Saturday 20 January 2007 07:35, Gilboa Davara wrote:
BTW,
If you are havign problems with udev and you don't have the time to fix/create the appropriate udev usb-cam rules, just create a static device node [1] in /etc/dev and point the application to the static device nodes instead of the udev generated ones.
- Gilboa
[1] man 1 mknod
Thanks, Gilboa, but I don't think that would work. The problem is that the capture card is a pci one. All the documentation I can find tells a lot about making udev links for usb devices - and that part of my rules works well - but little is said about pci devices. The card gets mapped to video0 or video1, and the symlink I'm trying to make needs to recognise the card by its details then map to whichever video* it connects to, so it must be dynamic.
I wish I could find some documentation the dealt more with pci and udev.
Anne
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 12:36 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:16, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
On 17/01/07, Scott van Looy scott@ethosuk.org.uk wrote:
Today Dotan Cohen did spake thusly:
I'm also a bit shocked. I jump around from distro to distro, and I haven't had a problem with Kopete in a long time. My webcam is a Logitech Quikcam. On my current distro, Kubuntu, I just plugged it in and it works. I've got Kopete 0.12.3 on KDE 3.5.5. I'm actually considering whether this month It'll be FC6 or (don't hate me) the latest SUSE, which I haven't tried in a while. If webcam support under Fedora is that bad, then that'll be a big problem for me. My first daughter was born two weeks ago, and the grandparents don't live in Israel. So there's been quite a bit of webcamming going on in our household as of late.
Stop with the FUD. Get the correct kernel module for your cam (most are available from ATrpms and other places if they're not included already) and then load kopete. Worked first time with my ancient Intel Create and Share camera...
What FUD? I said it worked for me out of the box on Kubuntu. I haven't even tried it yet on Fedora. Better yet, your FUD-crying makes real FUD go unchallenged. As soon as I _do_ have problems (if I do) then I'll take care of them. Until I do, I'll be happy.
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad"
- fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and
doubt...
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
Fear there may be. Uncertainty and doubt - no. You will see that both Keith and I are having great problems. They exist. If someone comments that another distro can handle something but FC can't, that's legitimate comment. As it is, Dotan has said that he can use it in kubuntu, and will try it on fedora.
Add me to the list Anne, I've not been able to send anything. Is it a port problem?? Ric
On Sunday 21 January 2007 08:20, Ric Moore wrote:
Fear there may be. Uncertainty and doubt - no. You will see that both Keith and I are having great problems. They exist. If someone comments that another distro can handle something but FC can't, that's legitimate comment. As it is, Dotan has said that he can use it in kubuntu, and will try it on fedora.
Add me to the list Anne, I've not been able to send anything. Is it a port problem?? Ric
Could well be. I can't find anything at all about opening ports to support the video - and I can't believe that it's unnecessary. The only thing I can find is that you need to open 6891 TCP for file transfer - and that's already open because it's part of the range amsn needs. Time for a point-blank question on kde-users list. I'll report back if I get anything useful.
Anne
On Monday 08 January 2007 18:36, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
Although I can send and receive video in amsn, there are still some problems. The picture is very jerky, both in my preview and receive frames. I know that I have the firewall ports correctly opened and forwarded, and Test Port gives me OK. My friend may still have some firewall problems. Have you any ideas, please?
Anne
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 14:22 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 18:36, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
Although I can send and receive video in amsn, there are still some problems. The picture is very jerky, both in my preview and receive frames. I know that I have the firewall ports correctly opened and forwarded, and Test Port gives me OK. My friend may still have some firewall problems. Have you any ideas, please?
Anne
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
- Gilboa
On Monday 22 January 2007 16:28, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 14:22 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 18:36, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
Although I can send and receive video in amsn, there are still some problems. The picture is very jerky, both in my preview and receive frames. I know that I have the firewall ports correctly opened and forwarded, and Test Port gives me OK. My friend may still have some firewall problems. Have you any ideas, please?
Anne
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
Movement is smooth, Colour is disgusting :-) otherwise known as sh**
From googling I've come to the conclusion that colour is a driver problem - would you agree? Not that amsn shows this disgusting colour, but it's far from right.
Anne
On Monday 22 January 2007 4:28 pm, Gilboa Davara wrote:
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
- Gilboa
Gilboa.
With me, the picture is very brown looking (as always), but is smooth with negligible jerking.
I find that aMSN and Kopete are like that when I am not connected to anyone. It is when I am connected that there is a lot of jerkiness and the typing is very sluggish appearing on the screen.
Thanks for your help.
Keith
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 17:02 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 22 January 2007 16:28, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 14:22 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 18:36, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
Although I can send and receive video in amsn, there are still some problems. The picture is very jerky, both in my preview and receive frames. I know that I have the firewall ports correctly opened and forwarded, and Test Port gives me OK. My friend may still have some firewall problems. Have you any ideas, please?
Anne
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
Movement is smooth, Colour is disgusting :-) otherwise known as sh**
From googling I've come to the conclusion that colour is a driver problem - would you agree? Not that amsn shows this disgusting colour, but it's far from right.
Anne
If v4l is broken - it is indeed a driver problem.
There's a new driver that was just released: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz
Does it solve the problem? - Gilboa
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 18:42 +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
On Monday 22 January 2007 4:28 pm, Gilboa Davara wrote:
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
- Gilboa
Gilboa.
With me, the picture is very brown looking (as always), but is smooth with negligible jerking.
I find that aMSN and Kopete are like that when I am not connected to anyone. It is when I am connected that there is a lot of jerkiness and the typing is very sluggish appearing on the screen.
Thanks for your help.
Keith
I'm guessing here, but it seems to me that both kopete and aMsn throttle down the FPS if the upstream bandwidth is too low.
- Gilboa
Today Gilboa Davara did spake thusly:
I'm guessing here, but it seems to me that both kopete and aMsn throttle down the FPS if the upstream bandwidth is too low.
They send just as fast as they can...you get jerkiness because the software shows you what the other person is seeing when you're connected instead of just your video at full frame rate when you're disconnected, same as MSN/Yahoo Messenger, etc do.
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 15:22, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 17:02 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 22 January 2007 16:28, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 14:22 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 08 January 2007 18:36, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 17:50 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
It's very frustrating. Two or three years back I had gnomemeeting working. I used it for a linux to linux and for a linux to windows session (netmeeting). I haven't needed it for a long time, so I've been quite shocked to see how hard it is now.
Anne
Yep. Until it gets sorted out, try amsn.
Although I can send and receive video in amsn, there are still some problems. The picture is very jerky, both in my preview and receive frames. I know that I have the firewall ports correctly opened and forwarded, and Test Port gives me OK. My friend may still have some firewall problems. Have you any ideas, please?
Anne
What does mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=XXX:height=YYY:device=/dev/video0 show? If the picture is still jerky, it's a driver problem (or Video4Linux problem). If the image is perfect, it's a amsn problem.
Movement is smooth, Colour is disgusting :-) otherwise known as sh**
From googling I've come to the conclusion that colour is a driver problem
- would you agree? Not that amsn shows this disgusting colour, but it's
far from right.
Anne
If v4l is broken - it is indeed a driver problem.
It is much better in ekiga, although the colour controls are still not all working.
There's a new driver that was just released: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20070110.tar.gz
Does it solve the problem?
I think it's the atrpms build of that driver that I have:
Name : gspcav1 Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 1.00.12 Vendor: ATrpms.net Release : 3.fc6.at Build Date: Mon 15 Jan 2007 12:37:41 AM GMT Install Date: Thu 18 Jan 2007 07:38:51 PM GMT Build Host: teufli.physik.fu-berlin.de Group : System Environment/Kernel Source RPM: gspcav1-1.00.12-3.fc6.at.src.rpm Size : 2197 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Mon 15 Jan 2007 12:37:41 AM GMT, Key ID 508ce5e666534c2b Packager : ATrpms http://ATrpms.net/ URL : http://mxhaard.free.fr/
Anne
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 16:38, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Gilboa Davara did spake thusly:
I'm guessing here, but it seems to me that both kopete and aMsn throttle down the FPS if the upstream bandwidth is too low.
They send just as fast as they can...you get jerkiness because the software shows you what the other person is seeing when you're connected instead of just your video at full frame rate when you're disconnected, same as MSN/Yahoo Messenger, etc do.
That sounds logical, but I used GnomeMeeting 3 years ago with a philips webcam, and saw good colour rendition and smooth video. I'm not seeing anything like as good performance. I accept that the webcam and its driver may be a factor, but I couldn't get the old one to work with FC6.
Anne
Today Anne Wilson did spake thusly:
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 16:38, Scott van Looy wrote:
Today Gilboa Davara did spake thusly:
I'm guessing here, but it seems to me that both kopete and aMsn throttle down the FPS if the upstream bandwidth is too low.
They send just as fast as they can...you get jerkiness because the software shows you what the other person is seeing when you're connected instead of just your video at full frame rate when you're disconnected, same as MSN/Yahoo Messenger, etc do.
That sounds logical, but I used GnomeMeeting 3 years ago with a philips webcam, and saw good colour rendition and smooth video. I'm not seeing anything like as good performance. I accept that the webcam and its driver may be a factor, but I couldn't get the old one to work with FC6.
No clue why the text may be slowing down, but if the driver's having to do nasty things in software it might be slowing things which wouldn't help. I dual boot and don't see much difference in speed between XP and webcam when it's running disconnected. Tho the colours make me wonder about my sanity ;)
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 12:58 +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:16 pm, Scott van Looy wrote:
"I'm also a bit shocked." and "If webcam support under Fedora is that bad" - fud. You've not tried it, you're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt...
If you have a problem with it, then comment on it?
Scott.
Anne and I are having great problems with webcams and FC6.
Add me to the list. I have the webcam working, it's getting it working in useful ways that is the problem on this end. Hopefully, the answer is an easy one and discussion that includes what does work and where, is not exactly FUD, IMHO. :)
Usually it is something obscure that is easily fixed. If it works on another distro, then we have narrowed the problem to 'fixable' status, rather than 'unknown'. That's a "Good Thing" (tm) according to that perception. It's just a learning thing. Ric
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 22:56 +0000, Keith Powell wrote: <snippage>
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
It's got to be a port issue or the modem or router not allowing pass-through.
On Wednesday 07 February 2007 7:04 am, Ric Moore wrote:
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 22:56 +0000, Keith Powell wrote:
<snippage>
Others may tell you a better way, but this way has been successful with me and it is very quick to do.
This has installed the webcam, and it works well in aMSN. However, although it works in kopete, I can't get kopete to actually send or receive a picture!
It's got to be a port issue or the modem or router not allowing pass-through.
It must be router problems, Ric.
For several reasons, I'm not very satisfied with my router, and will change it within the next few days. So I have abandoned Kopete until I can try it with the new one.
Cheers
Keith
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