Package search has been bugging me for a long time now, I as an advanced user know exactly what I want and any package is just "yum install name" away, yes I still use yum and will continue to do so because I prefer yum over pkcon :)
<rant> also pkcon is harder spell the phone line or skype (when dealing with new users), yum is easier to type even you are regular cli user, and yum is easier command to remember but never mind, back to topic at hand. </rant>
For new users it is too hard to install package by searching because for any general search phrase and even for searches that are unique package names users get too many search results, and too often the top result is not what they are looking for. Too much information is not a good thing.
This has been bugging me for months but haven't written anything about this because didn't see a solution until now.
After looking at Suse Studio Screencast [1] it become obvious really fast whan needs to be done because they have done it in really elegant way.
When doing a search in SUSE studio package search results are sorted by installation frequency. So packages which are most often installed are on top.
SUSE guys have great example by searching for apache package. I repeated apache search on Fedora with yum, pkcon and with PackageKit GNOME GUI. The results are attached in this RFE, but you can see how search isn't usable if user doesn't know exactly that needs to be installed. Regular users won't go installing apache, this is just one example, but I had lots of similar situations in real life when I told some fedora users to just type name of package and to install it, but users got too many search results and got confused. I expect that only few packages will show and that main package will be first.
We need some king of google logic that would sort package search results.
Am I making any sense? Has something like this already in the works? Am I just wasting your time?
[1] http://susestudio.com/#screencast [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618829
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:29:18 +0200 Valent Turkovic wrote:
We need some king of google logic that would sort package search results.
I've always thought the descriptions of all the packages should be on a nice public website somewhere where google would simply wind up indexing them, and then you could use a site: modifier to do a normal google search to find the names of packages you want (maybe that is already the case, but I don't know site: modifier to use).
Then we just teach tools like yum to send the search to google :-).
I see in bugzilla [1] that Richard is already working on this for some time now, and that Ubuntu and OpenSuse are already using his code. Who in Redhat we need to bribe so that his code gets accepted also in Fedora ;)
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618829#c5
On 07/28/2010 04:24 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I see in bugzilla [1] that Richard is already working on this for some time now, and that Ubuntu and OpenSuse are already using his code. Who in Redhat we need to bribe so that his code gets accepted also in Fedora ;)
Noone can be bribed. When the code is ready, it will be integrated. If you have questions, feel free to ask the developer in question directly.
Rahul
Noone can be bribed. When the code is ready, it will be integrated. If you have questions, feel free to ask the developer in question directly.
Rahul
I'm joking about bribery, because we in Croatia are constantly hearing about bribery scandals coming from my country top of goverment :(
On 28 July 2010 12:56, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Noone can be bribed. When the code is ready, it will be integrated. If you have questions, feel free to ask the developer in question directly.
Well, the code is pretty ready. I just need a infrastructure team that are willing to help me deploy this.
Richard.
On 07/29/2010 12:50 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 28 July 2010 12:56, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Noone can be bribed. When the code is ready, it will be integrated. If you have questions, feel free to ask the developer in question directly.
Well, the code is pretty ready. I just need a infrastructure team that are willing to help me deploy this.
Have you asked in the infrastructure list?
Rahul
Have you asked in the infrastructure list?
Rahul
Rahul check out comment on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618829#c5
Looks like he is in contact with them.
On 07/29/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Have you asked in the infrastructure list?
Rahul
Rahul check out comment on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618829#c5
Looks like he is in contact with them.
I haven't seen any public discussions in the infrastructure list.
Rahul
Richard said he contacted few people from infrastructure, but I agree there should be a public discussion about this.
Valent.
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/29/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Have you asked in the infrastructure list?
Rahul
Rahul check out comment on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=618829#c5
Looks like he is in contact with them.
I haven't seen any public discussions in the infrastructure list.
Rahul
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