CUPS nightmare

[Bill Johnson]

I have a home network configured as follows:

Server - running Fedora Core .95 beta.
Laptop - running Redhat 8.0
Connected via Netgear RP114(?) web safe router 
Printer is HP841C connected to Server via usb

Printing from laptop worked fine under previous config (Redhat 7.3 was on 
previously on server, and printing was via lpd), but I cannot get printing 
to work from laptop now.

Cups is installed on server and printer works fine when printing from 
server.

Printer has been configured on laptop every possible way, but will not 
print.  Have read google posts, howtos, and cups docs for 2 days, but 
nothing works.

nmap shows port 631 on server, but DOES NOT show it on laptop.  Firewalls 
are completely off on both laptop and server.

Question 1 - Are there issues with doing this in fedora?  Am I hitting
some known problem with the beta?

Question 2 - Can I just abandon CUPS and use the old lpd? It worked 
perfectly for me, and was not difficult to configure.  I can't seem to 
find it on the new distro.  Is it not provided with fedora?

Question 3 - Is the NETGEAR router a possible problem?  Could it be 
blocking visibility to port 631?  Any suggestions about that if so?

Question 4 - Is there anybody on this list who has managed to get a 
similar printing scenario up and running?

Thanks in advance for the help.  Getting a printer to work should not be 
this difficult.  I must be doing something terribly wrong, but can't 
figure it out.  Obviously, if I can't print with fedora, I can't use 
fedora, so I must resolve this.

Regards,
Bill Johnson

[nosp]

On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 16:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Printing from laptop worked fine under previous config (Redhat 7.3 was on 
> previously on server, and printing was via lpd), but I cannot get printing 
> to work from laptop now.
>
> Cups is installed on server and printer works fine when printing from 
> server.
>
> Printer has been configured on laptop every possible way, but will not 
> print.  Have read google posts, howtos, and cups docs for 2 days, but 
> nothing works.
>
> nmap shows port 631 on server, but DOES NOT show it on laptop.  Firewalls 
> are completely off on both laptop and server.

Can you telnet from the laptop to port 631 of the server?   Do you have
cups installed on the laptop?  Can the laptop tell you the status of the
server print queue (run lpq -P<printqueuename> on the laptop)?  Are you
seeing any error messages on the server in /var/log/messages or
/var/log/cupsd/errorlog?

[Shawn Houston]

Reading from my rh9 pro manual you need to select the printer in the
printer config panel, and then select action->sharing in order to share
the printer on the network.

I assume this is the same in fc1.

By default the rh install of cups is localhost only.

-Shawn

On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 07:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> I have a home network configured as follows:
>
> Server - running Fedora Core .95 beta.
> Laptop - running Redhat 8.0
> Connected via Netgear RP114(?) web safe router 
> Printer is HP841C connected to Server via usb
>
> Printing from laptop worked fine under previous config (Redhat 7.3 was on 
> previously on server, and printing was via lpd), but I cannot get printing 
> to work from laptop now.
>
> Cups is installed on server and printer works fine when printing from 
> server.
>
> Printer has been configured on laptop every possible way, but will not 
> print.  Have read google posts, howtos, and cups docs for 2 days, but 
> nothing works.
>
> nmap shows port 631 on server, but DOES NOT show it on laptop.  Firewalls 
> are completely off on both laptop and server.
>
> Question 1 - Are there issues with doing this in fedora?  Am I hitting
> some known problem with the beta?
>
> Question 2 - Can I just abandon CUPS and use the old lpd? It worked 
> perfectly for me, and was not difficult to configure.  I can't seem to 
> find it on the new distro.  Is it not provided with fedora?
>
> Question 3 - Is the NETGEAR router a possible problem?  Could it be 
> blocking visibility to port 631?  Any suggestions about that if so?
>
> Question 4 - Is there anybody on this list who has managed to get a 
> similar printing scenario up and running?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help.  Getting a printer to work should not be 
> this difficult.  I must be doing something terribly wrong, but can't 
> figure it out.  Obviously, if I can't print with fedora, I can't use 
> fedora, so I must resolve this.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Johnson
>
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> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

[Bill Johnson]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, nosp wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 16:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > Printing from laptop worked fine under previous config (Redhat 7.3 was on 
> > previously on server, and printing was via lpd), but I cannot get printing 
> > to work from laptop now.
> >
> > Cups is installed on server and printer works fine when printing from 
> > server.
> >
> > Printer has been configured on laptop every possible way, but will not 
> > print.  Have read google posts, howtos, and cups docs for 2 days, but 
> > nothing works.
> >
> > nmap shows port 631 on server, but DOES NOT show it on laptop.  Firewalls 
> > are completely off on both laptop and server.
>
> Can you telnet from the laptop to port 631 of the server?   Do you have
> cups installed on the laptop?  Can the laptop tell you the status of the
> server print queue (run lpq -P<printqueuename> on the laptop)?  Are you
> seeing any error messages on the server in /var/log/messages or
> /var/log/cupsd/errorlog?

No I cannot telnet to port 631 - here is result of my attempt:

[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ telnet NEC:631
NEC:631: Unknown host
[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$

Yes, I have cups installed on both laptop and server.  I can restart on 
both systems via /sbin/service restart cups.  I can manage the cups app in 
both systems via the web interface - http://localhost:631

No I cannot tell the status.  In an earlier post, I mentioned that I have 
2 queues defined now on the server (HP841C and HP841C_SHARED), and I have 
one on the laptop (HP841C_LOCAL).  Here is the result of the lpq command 
on each:
[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ lpq -PHP841C
Printer: HP841C@localhost - ERROR: spool queue for 'hp841c' does not exist 
on server localhost.localdomain
   non-existent printer or you need to run 'checkpc -f'
[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ lpq -PHP841C_LOCAL
Printer: hp841c_local@localhost - ERROR: spool queue for 'hp841c_local' 
does not exist on server localhost.localdomain
   non-existent printer or you need to run 'checkpc -f'
[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ lpq -PHP841C_SHARED
Printer: HP841C_SHARED@localhost - ERROR: spool queue for 'hp841c_shared' 
does not exist on server localhost.localdomain
   non-existent printer or you need to run 'checkpc -f'
[bill@dhcppc1 bill]$

Obviously, I have something messed up.  Any suggestions where else to 
look?  Your advise and expertise and greatly appreciated.  I'm always 
amazed at the quick responses I get from these newsgroups.

Regards,

Bill Johnson

[Bill Johnson]

Shawn,

Thanks for this info.  It did partially resolve my problem.  At least, 
after I did this, I could see the queue(s) from the laptop.  I still can't 
print to them, as I've detailed in some other posts, but you got me 
closer.

Thanks!
Bill

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Shawn Houston wrote:
> Reading from my rh9 pro manual you need to select the printer in the
> printer config panel, and then select action->sharing in order to share
> the printer on the network.
>
> I assume this is the same in fc1.
>
> By default the rh install of cups is localhost only.
>
> -Shawn
>
> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 07:29, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > I have a home network configured as follows:
> >
> > Server - running Fedora Core .95 beta.
> > Laptop - running Redhat 8.0
> > Connected via Netgear RP114(?) web safe router 
> > Printer is HP841C connected to Server via usb
> >
> > Printing from laptop worked fine under previous config (Redhat 7.3 was on 
> > previously on server, and printing was via lpd), but I cannot get printing 
> > to work from laptop now.
> >
> > Cups is installed on server and printer works fine when printing from 
> > server.
> >
> > Printer has been configured on laptop every possible way, but will not 
> > print.  Have read google posts, howtos, and cups docs for 2 days, but 
> > nothing works.
> >
> > nmap shows port 631 on server, but DOES NOT show it on laptop.  Firewalls 
> > are completely off on both laptop and server.
> >
> > Question 1 - Are there issues with doing this in fedora?  Am I hitting
> > some known problem with the beta?
> >
> > Question 2 - Can I just abandon CUPS and use the old lpd? It worked 
> > perfectly for me, and was not difficult to configure.  I can't seem to 
> > find it on the new distro.  Is it not provided with fedora?
> >
> > Question 3 - Is the NETGEAR router a possible problem?  Could it be 
> > blocking visibility to port 631?  Any suggestions about that if so?
> >
> > Question 4 - Is there anybody on this list who has managed to get a 
> > similar printing scenario up and running?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the help.  Getting a printer to work should not be 
> > this difficult.  I must be doing something terribly wrong, but can't 
> > figure it out.  Obviously, if I can't print with fedora, I can't use 
> > fedora, so I must resolve this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Johnson
> >
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> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
>
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[Sean Middleditch]

On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 21:24, Bill Johnson wrote:
> No I cannot telnet to port 631 - here is result of my attempt:
>
> [bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ telnet NEC:631
> NEC:631: Unknown host
> [bill@dhcppc1 bill]$

use a space to separate the host and port.  that's telling telnet to
connect to the host 'nec:631' using the default telnet port.

[Bill Johnson]

Thanks!  That worked.  I guess I can telnet to the port after all.

Bill

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 21:24, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > No I cannot telnet to port 631 - here is result of my attempt:
> >
> > [bill@dhcppc1 bill]$ telnet NEC:631
> > NEC:631: Unknown host
> > [bill@dhcppc1 bill]$
>
> use a space to separate the host and port.  that's telling telnet to
> connect to the host 'nec:631' using the default telnet port.