So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working.
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop.
In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly.
Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic.
So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful!
Notes:
Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now.
Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this.
Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net...
Cheers,
Dan
What about installing F17....& doing the " fedup" procedure?... might that work?.... On Mar 11, 2013 12:32 AM, "Dan Irwin" rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working.
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop.
In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly.
Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic.
So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful!
Notes:
Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now.
Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this.
Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net...
Cheers,
Dan
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It might, if I had a Fedora 17 ISO or installer on my network.
I am just downloading the netinst iso, in the hope I can get a working OS on this laptop.
I do have a CentOS mirror locally, and noticed 6.4 has started to come in. That is my other option right now.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Eddie O'Connor eoconnor25@gmail.com wrote:
What about installing F17....& doing the " fedup" procedure?... might that work?....
On Mar 11, 2013 12:32 AM, "Dan Irwin" rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working.
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop.
In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly.
Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic.
So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful!
Notes:
Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now.
Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this.
Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net...
Cheers,
Dan
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I would go with CentOS then......less headaches.....at least IMHO.... On Mar 11, 2013 12:59 AM, "Dan Irwin" rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
It might, if I had a Fedora 17 ISO or installer on my network.
I am just downloading the netinst iso, in the hope I can get a working OS on this laptop.
I do have a CentOS mirror locally, and noticed 6.4 has started to come in. That is my other option right now.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Eddie O'Connor eoconnor25@gmail.com wrote:
What about installing F17....& doing the " fedup" procedure?... might
that
work?....
On Mar 11, 2013 12:32 AM, "Dan Irwin" rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working.
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
I have not had issues like this installing Linux since the mid 1990s. And even then, I was able to complete and install. Today, in 2013, with all the knowledge and experience I have, I cannot seem to get F18 onto my laptop.
In frustration, I went and installed a F18 VM on my old laptop. When the VM has an empty, unpartitioned disk, the install worked perfectly.
Why has this been broken so bad? What was so bad about the old installer? The ability to manually create LVMs and partitions would is a panacea compared to this mess in F18. Seriously. This is pathetic.
So, right now, I have a laptop without any OS. Useful!
Notes:
Yeah, I should have beta tested. But that was hard considering I only received my new laptop on Friday. I'm not blaming anyone for my deletion of my own OS. Fedora should not outright remove and replace features, and expect to have such features restorred within the usual 6 month release schedule. Who the hell signed off on this? Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
As this has descended into rant material, I am going to choose to stop now.
Come on Fedora, shape up. You can do better than this.
Time to find a Fedora 17 ISO somewhere on my net...
Cheers,
Dan
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Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent:
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I haven't tried Fedora 18, but are you getting snagged by the old issue of users think an formatted partition is "free space," but the installer wants to find completely unused space on the drive (i.e. don't make a new partition, delete one, and leave it deleted).
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent:
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I haven't tried Fedora 18, but are you getting snagged by the old issue of users think an formatted partition is "free space," but the installer wants to find completely unused space on the drive (i.e. don't make a new partition, delete one, and leave it deleted).
In the F18 installer this correct.
In the F17 installer you can choose existing partitions, choose whether or not to reformat them, etc.
In the F18 one, you can't use existing partitions. You also can't use more than one disk, at least in my experience.
If your target is F18, do a 'Minimal Install' in F17, creating the partitions that are suitable to your needs, then yum upgrade from there.
This linked, along w/ rpm script there, proved very useful to me: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_17_-.3E_Fedo...
Once on F18 w/ a minimal install, you can begin adding the groups that you want/favor.
Max Pyziur pyz@brama.com
On 11 March 2013 09:51, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent:
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I haven't tried Fedora 18, but are you getting snagged by the old issue of users think an formatted partition is "free space," but the installer wants to find completely unused space on the drive (i.e. don't make a new partition, delete one, and leave it deleted).
It is potentially possible to resize existing filesystems and partitions to create free unpartitioned space which can be used for an install, however the released F18 installer disabled this option due to problems with it (you really don't want to mess it up).
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:32:08 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote:
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
If you've already blown away windows, I'd suggest getting into the shell again and using dd to copy a few meg of /dev/zero over the top of the disk device (not the partition, the whole disk). That will make it look un-initialized and un-used and it will be willing to install.
On 11 March 2013 04:32, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop (e6530). Not surprisingly, it's not working.
The installer won't let me install. It won't find free space. It won't shrink partitions.
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
To be clear, you've wiped all the partitions on the disc, but the installer is refusing to allocate new ones? That sounds like a bug, install to an unpartitioned disc should be no different to the clean VM install you did. What are you using to manually partition? Have you tried booting the installer again? It may be the best way to ensure the partition table is re-read. At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show?
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, you've wiped all the partitions on the disc, but the installer is refusing to allocate new ones?
Not quite.
I blew away the big windows partition, but I left the Dell system and recovery partitions. Which equates to about 15 gig of space.
I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies.
So with 100+ gig of free space and 2 system partitions, Fedora did not install.
Have you tried booting the installer again? It may be the best way to ensure the partition table is re-read.
Yep. Multiple times.
At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show?
This is on the "main" installer screen in F18.
fdisk -l shows two partitions (Dell system and recovery).
Thanks.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote:
I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies.
Why? The only thing the dell tools can recover is windows, and you blew that away already.
On 11 March 2013 22:49, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote:
I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies.
Why? The only thing the dell tools can recover is windows, and you blew that away already.
If there's 15GB of them I suspect they can reinstall windows and restore the system to the factory settings.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1953@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 08:36:18 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote:
I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies.
Why? The only thing the dell tools can recover is windows, and you blew that away already.
Correct that I blew away Windows.
The recovery partition should allow me to re-install windows, if I wanted to. I don't want to.
The other partition probably contains diagnostic tools, but I havnt looked into that on this laptop. My old 2008 model certainly still has it's Dell system/recovery and windows partitions in tact.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
The recovery partition should allow me to re-install windows, if I wanted to. I don't want to.
So I re-installed Windows, which took about 5 minutes. Back to factory.
Now I am installing Fedora 17 netinst iso, and so far I have:
- booted - told it to resize sda3, which is the windows partition - told it *nothing* else about partitioning, or swap, or anything else, and it seems to be working just fine.
Now for the tough question. Should I just stick with F17, or use this "fedup" to go to F18? I imagine the distro is probably pretty good, once past anaconda.
Plenty of time to decide. Doing the netinst over a 3mbps dsl line...
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:43:20 +1000 Dan Irwin wrote:
Now for the tough question. Should I just stick with F17, or use this "fedup" to go to F18?
A lot of folks seem to think "yum upgrade" is safer and more reliable than fedup.
I used a completely different technique: Copied a fedora 18 virtual machine disk image to the real partition where I wanted to boot fedora 18 and edited grub.cfg and fstab to fix the partitions and mountpoints.
On 11 March 2013 22:36, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
I blew away the big windows partition, but I left the Dell system and recovery partitions. Which equates to about 15 gig of space.
I imagine if I blew away those partitions too, then Fedora 18 would install. But I do like keeping the Dell stuff around, for emergencies.
So with 100+ gig of free space and 2 system partitions, Fedora did not install.
At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show?
This is on the "main" installer screen in F18.
The 'hub' model means I'm going to have to ask at which point, because you end up back at the main installer screen after configuring things, which can be done in any order so far as I know. So is this, for example, after configuring the installation destination or before? Will it even let you into the installation destination menus?
From your earlier message: have now tried to manually partition, and the installer tells me "Error checking storage configuration".
It sounds like the answer will be a no. It looks similar to this bug, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=854471 which is marked as fixed, if you were able to set up an installer destination did you have mount points specified?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show?
This is on the "main" installer screen in F18.
The 'hub' model means I'm going to have to ask at which point, because you end up back at the main installer screen after configuring things, which can be done in any order so far as I know. So is this, for example, after configuring the installation destination or before? Will it even let you into the installation destination menus?
I think, from memory, this "hub" screen appears with an indicator claiming that I need to do something about storage. So I click into it, do the delete/preserve stuff, and i get bumped back to the "hub", where it again tells me I need to do something about storage.
Going around in circles, I can progress further, but at no stage do I ever tell the installer where to install. I have attempted to manually make / and /home partitions using the installer. Doing so drops me back to the "hub", again with the indicator telling me to fix storage...
On 11 March 2013 23:10, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
At what point does it tell you 'error checking storage configuration' and what does fdisk -l on the disc show?
This is on the "main" installer screen in F18.
The 'hub' model means I'm going to have to ask at which point, because you end up back at the main installer screen after configuring things, which can be done in any order so far as I know. So is this, for example, after configuring the installation destination or before? Will it even let you into the installation destination menus?
I think, from memory, this "hub" screen appears with an indicator claiming that I need to do something about storage. So I click into it, do the delete/preserve stuff, and i get bumped back to the "hub", where it again tells me I need to do something about storage.
Going around in circles, I can progress further, but at no stage do I ever tell the installer where to install. I have attempted to manually make / and /home partitions using the installer. Doing so drops me back to the "hub", again with the indicator telling me to fix storage...
I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please? http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/DSCN5493.JPG The screen would look like this: http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/partitioncustom.png
Thanks.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please? http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/DSCN5493.JPG The screen would look like this: http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/partitioncustom.png
I don't recall, but I think YES.
The reason I say yes is the installer has driven me back to the "hub" screen numerous times, but continued to highlight the storage as needing attention before i could install.
On 12 March 2013 22:47, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
I see you've moved on from this now, but can you remember whether you tried the continue button at the bottom right of the destination screen please? http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/DSCN5493.JPG The screen would look like this: http://imalone.fedorapeople.org/partitioncustom.png
I don't recall, but I think YES.
The reason I say yes is the installer has driven me back to the "hub" screen numerous times, but continued to highlight the storage as needing attention before i could install.
Thanks. I found the same thing about going between the destination menu and the hub, it's never quite clear what you're diong or what the next step will do.
There is also (and this is far from obvious) a delay after getting sent back to the hub during which the destination is flagged as needing attention before it realises it's been done (I'd guess anaconda rereads the partition table at that point). I'm not sure it reports "Error checking storage configuration" until then though. So afraid after all this I can only confirm you're probably right there's a bug in the installer.
If you don't mind posting the output of an all-discs 'fdisk -l' then I'm happy to put it in as a bug if you don't have a BZ account, it might help get it fixed in the next release. Though better if you filed it yourself as I wont be able to provide any follow-up information.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:32:08PM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote:
........snip........
Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs have been being dumbed down for some time, especially the DEs.
On 03/11/2013 10:34 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs have been being dumbed down for some time, especially the DEs.
I know people who still believe that Linux and Unix are simply job programs for gurus because "the average computer user can't administer their own computer" if they're using it. I'd think that having distros, such as Ubuntu, that can be installed and administered by people without specialized skills would be a Good Thing. Still, I'd also like even the most beginner friendly distro to have some sort of advanced option on installation to let those of us who know what they want and how to get it the ability to set things up their own way.
On 11 March 2013 17:34, Robert Holtzman holtzm@cox.net wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:32:08PM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote:
........snip........Linux distros need to learn to not cater for novices. If you can't partition, you shouldn't be running Linux.
I've been beating the drum about this for years. It's not just partitioning. The various OSs have been being dumbed down for some time, especially the DEs.
Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups.
On 03/11/2013 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups.
Yes: sensible defaults, with a reasonable easy way to customize if needed. As Irma Bombeck used to say, "One size fits nobody."
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups.
Sensible defaults are fine. The problem is that, with each new generation of dumbed down system defaults, the distros have been making it harder and harder for experts to deviate from those defaults. It's to the point new where it's *impossible* to deviate from the defaults for some things.
Linux has become pretty sad when the options become: 1. Accept the defaults. or 2. Roll your own from scratch.
-Alan
On 11 March 2013 20:37, Alan Evans ame.fedora@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
Why? I can partition, but I don't really want to make a hobby of it. There's a strong argument to be made for sensible defaults to avoid many people having to do identical tedious set-ups.
Sensible defaults are fine. The problem is that, with each new generation of dumbed down system defaults, the distros have been making it harder and harder for experts to deviate from those defaults. It's to the point new where it's *impossible* to deviate from the defaults for some things.
I absolutely agree, I was just a bit surprised because I did manage to use the F18 installer to wipe the linux partitions on a dual-boot disc and install a working system with an adjusted partitioning scheme. It sounds like Dan Irwin has hit some odd behaviour (it seems a lot of people have hit odd behaviour...).
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop
So I have Fedora 17 installed on there now. That was quite painless.
Moving to 18, can I just install fedora-release from 18 and do a yum update or upgrade?
Looking for suggestions from people who have actually done this.
Thanks all.
On 3-12-13 14:23:17 zoom itman wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dan Irwin rummymobile@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm trying to get F18 onto my new Dell laptop
So I have Fedora 17 installed on there now. That was quite painless.
Moving to 18, can I just install fedora-release from 18 and do a yum update or upgrade?
Looking for suggestions from people who have actually done this.
Yeah, I did that without any problems. Review this first:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum
Allegedly, on or about 11 March 2013, Dan Irwin sent:
I even dropped to a shell, and used fdisk to blow away my windows 7 partition, and the installer still doesn't work properly!
I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is "creating free space," probably isn't the same as what we might have done.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is "creating free space," probably isn't the same as what we might have done.
What i did exactly with fdisk was this:
Switch to a vc Delete /dev/sda3 Switch back to installer No difference in behaviour, reboot confirm no /dev/sda3 exists (fedora installer did not show /dev/sda3) would not auto partition the drive
Afterwards, the following partitions existed: /dev/sda1 (Dell system) 30 MB or so /dev/sda2 (Dell recovery) 15 GB or so
Thanks.
On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is "creating free space," probably isn't the same as what we might have done.
What i did exactly with fdisk was this:
Switch to a vc Delete /dev/sda3 Switch back to installer No difference in behaviour, reboot confirm no /dev/sda3 exists (fedora installer did not show /dev/sda3) would not auto partition the drive
Afterwards, the following partitions existed: /dev/sda1 (Dell system) 30 MB or so /dev/sda2 (Dell recovery) 15 GB or so
Thanks.
Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her do it again on a spare machine JUST to see it for myself. Basically all she did was: Set the PC to get Fedora to boot from the CD-ROM drive Installed a "standard" version of Windows 7 on it. (Which created the MBR / NTFS files system etc The after it had finished, she installed Fedora 18 on the same machine (overwriting the Windows 7 of course!) and the machine formatted itself perfectly
Don't know if there's something wonky with your HDD?...maybe you need to have it "blown away" using something like System Rescue CD?...or CloneZilla (I know..it says CLONE...but it's also got some disk formatting tools on it as well that might be useful!)
Just suggestions....
Note* I misspoke before...it was Windows 8 not Windows 7 she used!
Cheers!
EGO II
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconnor25@gmail.com wrote:
Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her do it again on a spare machine JUST to see it for myself. Basically all she did was: Set the PC to get Fedora to boot from the CD-ROM drive Installed a "standard" version of Windows 7 on it. (Which created the MBR / NTFS files system etc The after it had finished, she installed Fedora 18 on the same machine (overwriting the Windows 7 of course!) and the machine formatted itself perfectly
Don't know if there's something wonky with your HDD?...maybe you need to have it "blown away" using something like System Rescue CD?...or CloneZilla (I know..it says CLONE...but it's also got some disk formatting tools on it as well that might be useful!)
I think all of these arguments are moot. The installer (specifically, partitioning) is badly broken in F18 compared to F17, F16, or pretty much any other fedora version.
Fact is, F17 behaved as expected, and I didn't even need to review partitioning after telling it to resize /dev/sda3 (NTFS).
The only thing wonky here is fedora or redhat's strategy to kill off old anaconda, and re-write it, without thoroughly testing it.
Remember when debian replaced their installer? They beta tested it for years before it became the default installer (in what, debian 4 or 5?)
Cheers
On 03/12/2013 07:17 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. eoconnor25@gmail.com wrote:
Only because you have data on there is why you're trying it this way? My sister had a similar problem, but the solution was so left-of-center that I just had to have her do it again on a spare machine JUST to see it for myself. Basically all she did was: Set the PC to get Fedora to boot from the CD-ROM drive Installed a "standard" version of Windows 7 on it. (Which created the MBR / NTFS files system etc The after it had finished, she installed Fedora 18 on the same machine (overwriting the Windows 7 of course!) and the machine formatted itself perfectly
Don't know if there's something wonky with your HDD?...maybe you need to have it "blown away" using something like System Rescue CD?...or CloneZilla (I know..it says CLONE...but it's also got some disk formatting tools on it as well that might be useful!)
I think all of these arguments are moot. The installer (specifically, partitioning) is badly broken in F18 compared to F17, F16, or pretty much any other fedora version.
Fact is, F17 behaved as expected, and I didn't even need to review partitioning after telling it to resize /dev/sda3 (NTFS).
The only thing wonky here is fedora or redhat's strategy to kill off old anaconda, and re-write it, without thoroughly testing it.
Remember when debian replaced their installer? They beta tested it for years before it became the default installer (in what, debian 4 or 5?)
Cheers
I agree with you that it might have been better if they just "revamped" Anaconda and made it LOOK different while keeping the same structure underneath, but you have to admit its way better than having someone decide FOR you what your partitions are going to be...LoL! I just hope that "this is it" when it comes to their installers.....can't they keep this for the next 10 or 20 versions of Fedora without changing it? I wonder if that's even possible!...
EGO II
On 03/12/2013 06:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is "creating free space," probably isn't the same as what we might have done.
What i did exactly with fdisk was this:
Switch to a vc Delete /dev/sda3 Switch back to installer No difference in behaviour, reboot confirm no /dev/sda3 exists (fedora installer did not show /dev/sda3) would not auto partition the drive
Afterwards, the following partitions existed: /dev/sda1 (Dell system) 30 MB or so /dev/sda2 (Dell recovery) 15 GB or so
I suspect your Dell partitions are the reason for your problem. You may have to delete them. You can clone them to a backup image if you really want to preserve them somewhere, but I think you will need to reinitialize your disk and start with a clean slate.
A few years ago, I had a problem with, a laptop that had a "media" mode power-on button. Pressing this button powered-on the system but bypassed booting the OS. Instead, it booted a media player app that allowed the user to play DVDs on the optical drive without the hassle of waiting for a full OS boot and logging in.
When installing a larger disk in this laptop, I simply cloned the old disk, and then attempted to expand the OS partition into a greater size. However, the partition utility could never see more than the original size of the original (smaller) disk.
IIRC, the reason for this was that the boot record for the system used a second LBA in which the partition for the "media" mode was set for the last few LBAs in the disk, and no other part of the disk beyond that was visible. There was code in the second LBA that was able to determine if the "media" button had been pressed and therefore which partition to boot.
I zeroed the second LBA in the disk and installed a new MBR, and I was then able to see the whole new, larger disk. Of course, I lost the "media" mode functionality, but it was a worthwhile tradeoff.
Regards, Tony
On 13 March 2013 12:05, Tony Camuso tcamuso@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/12/2013 06:59 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 03/12/2013 06:53 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I think you should say *exactly* what you did with fdisk, each step. Because it still sounds like what you think is "creating free space," probably isn't the same as what we might have done.
What i did exactly with fdisk was this:
Switch to a vc Delete /dev/sda3 Switch back to installer No difference in behaviour, reboot confirm no /dev/sda3 exists (fedora installer did not show /dev/sda3) would not auto partition the drive
Afterwards, the following partitions existed: /dev/sda1 (Dell system) 30 MB or so /dev/sda2 (Dell recovery) 15 GB or so
I suspect your Dell partitions are the reason for your problem. You may have to delete them. You can clone them to a backup image if you really want to preserve them somewhere, but I think you will need to reinitialize your disk and start with a clean slate.
IIRC, the reason for this was that the boot record for the system used a second LBA in which the partition for the "media" mode was set for the last few LBAs in the disk, and no other part of the disk beyond that was visible. There was code in the second LBA that was able to determine if the "media" button had been pressed and therefore which partition to boot.
It's possible something like this is the problem, but if Fedora 17 can be installed and if fdisk or something else can see the free space then there's no reason F18's anaconda shouldn't be able to do it.
On 13 March 2013 12:15, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible something like this is the problem, but if Fedora 17 can be installed and if fdisk or something else can see the free space then there's no reason F18's anaconda shouldn't be able to do it.
Sorry, meant "no *good* reason."
On 03/13/2013 08:15 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 13 March 2013 12:15, Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
It's possible something like this is the problem, but if Fedora 17 can be installed and if fdisk or something else can see the free space then there's no reason F18's anaconda shouldn't be able to do it.
Sorry, meant "no *good* reason."
You beat me to it. :)
But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression.
Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcamuso@redhat.com wrote:
But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression.
Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet?
No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one? I have nothing but a vague memory of the sequence of the problems/dialogs.
So, an update.
I just attempted to install F18 over the top of F17. And it seems to be working...
I got the popup about not having enough free space, so I clicked to delete /boot and / from F17, pressed continue, and the installer liked it.
Right now its probably 75% done installing packages.
What is different now?
sda3 and sda4 are formatted, operational, linux partitions.
Before they were empty, unpartitioned space, or in one case, empty unformatted partitions.
And in the time I have taken to type this email, the install is done. Seriously.
Welcome screen done. One operational F18 laptop.
Happy days.
On 03/14/13 09:22, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcamuso@redhat.com wrote:
But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression.
Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet?
No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one?
IMO, probably not. Especially so if you only have a "vague memory".
If you go back in the archives of this list you'll see this subject repeats itself. Nothing will be done for F18. Very soon you'll see F19 testing ISO created and there will be time to test changes that have been made for F19. So, what probably would be most helpful would be to get involved on the "test" list.
On 03/13/2013 09:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/14/13 09:22, Dan Irwin wrote:
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Tony Camuso tcamuso@redhat.com wrote:
But, yes, if F17 installs to that partition and F18 does not, then it's a regression.
Has the original poster filed a bugzilla on this yet?
No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one?
IMO, probably not. Especially so if you only have a "vague memory".
If you go back in the archives of this list you'll see this subject repeats itself. Nothing will be done for F18. Very soon you'll see F19 testing ISO created and there will be time to test changes that have been made for F19. So, what probably would be most helpful would be to get involved on the "test" list.
Yes, at this point in the development cycle, this is probably the best advice.
On 03/13/2013 09:22 PM, Dan Irwin wrote:
No he hasn't, for various reasons :-) Should I file one? I have nothing but a vague memory of the sequence of the problems/dialogs.
bugzilla wants clear steps to reproduce the bug. The more info the better, except that log files should be attachments, not pasted-in. System hardware/firmware details should be provided as well.
So, an update.
I just attempted to install F18 over the top of F17. And it seems to be working...
I got the popup about not having enough free space, so I clicked to delete /boot and / from F17, pressed continue, and the installer liked it.
Right now its probably 75% done installing packages.
What is different now?
Are you using the very same install image that was giving you the problem before?
sda3 and sda4 are formatted, operational, linux partitions.
Before they were empty, unpartitioned space, or in one case, empty unformatted partitions.
And in the time I have taken to type this email, the install is done. Seriously.
Welcome screen done. One operational F18 laptop.
Happy days.
I love happy endings. :)
But if you are able to reproduce the original bug, file a bugzilla.
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