Re: Why some say "rpm hell"

[AP]

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Tim  wrote:
> It's still missing the headers.  Give the other browser a try, and we'll
> see if that change things.  Likewise, you could try changing some of the
> privacy settings.

Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.
> There's little point in trying to be extremely
> private with email on a mailing list, you're posting in public with your
> email address.  Perhaps they give you choices for certain websites
> against others (I'm only familiar with NoScript - it does let you
> customise it).

Well, my target is not to be private with email but only to be secured
with Malware during online web surfing and nothing more. Even when I
know that it is Linux, but using those addo-ons just block the
malwares and viruses (if), they guarantee that....

Re-Re-Re… Re-Re: Why some say, the moon?

[poma]

On 27.11.2013 17:59, AP wrote:
> Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.

LoL!
Bee awesome.:!

poma

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Ian Malone]

On 27 November 2013 16:59, AP  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Tim  wrote:
> > It's still missing the headers.  Give the other browser a try, and we'll
> > see if that change things.  Likewise, you could try changing some of the
> > privacy settings.
>
> Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.
> > There's little point in trying to be extremely
> > private with email on a mailing list, you're posting in public with your
> > email address.  Perhaps they give you choices for certain websites
> > against others (I'm only familiar with NoScript - it does let you
> > customise it).
>
> Well, my target is not to be private with email but only to be secured
> with Malware during online web surfing and nothing more. Even when I
> know that it is Linux, but using those addo-ons just block the
> malwares and viruses (if), they guarantee that....

I think this is the right attitude, adblock, noscript etc. are things
you use to protect you online, not for protection of your emails. E.g.
it's your gmail account rather than the emails you're sending with it
that you are trying to protect in this situation. And using linux
doesn't give you any protection against things like
cross-site-scripting attacks or other on-line tricks even if it is
harder against classic malware, so it's still sensible to take care
out there.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[David]

On 11/27/2013 11:59 AM, AP wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Tim  wrote:
> > It's still missing the headers.  Give the other browser a try, and we'll
> > see if that change things.  Likewise, you could try changing some of the
> > privacy settings.
>
> Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.
> > There's little point in trying to be extremely
> > private with email on a mailing list, you're posting in public with your
> > email address.  Perhaps they give you choices for certain websites
> > against others (I'm only familiar with NoScript - it does let you
> > customise it).
>
> Well, my target is not to be private with email but only to be secured
> with Malware during online web surfing and nothing more. Even when I
> know that it is Linux, but using those addo-ons just block the
> malwares and viruses (if), they guarantee that....

Excuse me for butting in but...   :-)

I don't see any problems with your emails AP. I see the headers and they
follow the thread, for me, in Thunderbird. No matter which browser you use.

Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of
it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on the
Gmail Web interface, or any email interface.

I've linked 1 file to this email:
* AP.txt (5.8 KB) hosted on Box:
https://www.box.com/shared/78msc32ktf0k6oed51wq

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 12:53 PM, David wrote:
<>
> I don't see any problems with your emails AP. I see the headers and
> they follow the thread, for me, in Thunderbird. No matter which
> browser you use.

*NOT*

if you look again, you will not see headers;

In-Reply-To:
or
    References:
> Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of
> it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on
> the Gmail Web interface, or any email interface.

it is not a fault of browser, it is a fault with gmail when using
web browser to reply to threaded post.

ap's header only contains;

Message-ID:

where as tim's header is;

Message-ID: 
   Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
   From: Tim 
   To: [e-mail]
   Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:14:26 +1030
   In-Reply-To:
   
   References:

if you view header for this email, you will see that "References"

Message-ID:

added to;

References:

therefore, i wonder if you are running your gmail account off-line
with an email client and now replying on-line thru a browser.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 27 November 2013, AP sent:
> Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.

And the headers are still missing.

What happens if you don't block scripting while you're doing this?
Enable it before you hit reply, type your reply, then send it.

My thinking reckons that if it still behaves oddly when you use an
unmodified browser, it's a gmail fault.

I couldn't see any options in the gmail settings that might hide such
information.  You're not using one of those "private browsing/incognito
window" functions of the web browser?  It's conceivable that gmail might
take notice of such a thing, and obscure some of the mail headers.  Not
that it'd do you much good, since you still have your own address in the
reply, anyway.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 27 November 2013, g sent:
> it is not a fault of browser, it is a fault with gmail when using
> web browser to reply to threaded post.

Yet, when I do that with gmail (reply to a message through the web
interface), it works with proper headers.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 06:20 PM, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 27 November 2013, g sent:
> > it is not a fault of browser, it is a fault with gmail when using
> > web browser to reply to threaded post.
>
> Yet, when I do that with gmail (reply to a message through the web
> interface), it works with proper headers.

that is interesting.

you have not done so regarding this "Subject:".

are you running 'pop' or 'imap'?

i will make this comment:

i sent ap instructions on how to download and upload email gmail
via thunderbird to see if his posting will thread with out breaking.

as yet, for some reason or other, he had not tried such.

there for, i wonder if he is not intentionally creating a new email
just so he can keep up what just _might_ be an 'internet trolling'
that he is seeing how long he can continue it.

with all of suggestions that have be replied and no change, i also
wonder if he is even bothering.

after all, there is no way that such can be proved.

other thoughts that cause me to wonder about *his "problems"*;

just where is he sending from?
   header "Date:" is showing time correction of "+530",
   which indicates 'India' or 'Sri Lanka'.

therefore a question, just who is his isp? is something happening
due to his isp?

i think not because there have been other posters, on a different
list, from those two areas that used gmail and had no threading
problems.

all of which makes me wonder if this entire 'broken thread' is an
intent.

just thoughts...

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 06:20 PM, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 27 November 2013, AP sent:
> > Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now.
>
> And the headers are still missing.
>
> What happens if you don't block scripting while you're doing this?
> Enable it before you hit reply, type your reply, then send it.
>
> My thinking reckons that if it still behaves oddly when you use an
> unmodified browser,

how do we know that browser is unmodified? be it opera or firefox?
> it's a gmail fault.

when others claim not to have problem?
> I couldn't see any options in the gmail settings that might hide
> such information.  You're not using one of those "private
> browsing/incognito window" functions of the web browser?  It's
> conceivable that gmail might take notice of such a thing, and obscure
> some of the mail headers.  Not that it'd do you much good, since you
> still have your own address in the reply, anyway.

why would google discriminate?

i am inclined to believe op is discriminating? ;=)

Why some say "rpm hell"

[David]

On 11/27/2013 5:30 PM, g wrote:
> On 11/27/2013 12:53 PM, David wrote:
> <>
> > I don't see any problems with your emails AP. I see the headers and
> > they follow the thread, for me, in Thunderbird. No matter which
> > browser you use.
>
> *NOT*
>
> if you look again, you will not see headers;
>
> In-Reply-To:
> or
>    References:
> > Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of
> > it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on
> > the Gmail Web interface, or any email interface.
>
> it is not a fault of browser, it is a fault with gmail when using
> web browser to reply to threaded post.
>
> ap's header only contains;
>
> Message-ID:
>
> where as tim's header is;
>
> Message-ID: 
>   Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
>   From: Tim 
>   To: [e-mail]
>   Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:14:26 +1030
>   In-Reply-To:
>   
>   References:
>
> if you view header for this email, you will see that "References"
>
> Message-ID:
>
> added to;
>
> References:
>
> therefore, i wonder if you are running your gmail account off-line
> with an email client and now replying on-line thru a browser.

As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.

So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)

Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
works?  <BIG grin>

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Roger]

I haven't been following this discussion thread closely of late but 
would like to understand how and what emails, clients, headers, gmail 
and faults or not with browsers has to do with  "Why some say "rpm 
hell". I seem to have missed a step.

Was the rpm issue resolved or explained. Isn't rpm a way Fedora gathers 
and loads updates and installs new apps?
Is the email discussion a change of direction or does this no longer matter?
Roger
> > > I don't see any problems with your emails AP. I see the headers and
> > > they follow the thread, for me, in Thunderbird. No matter which
> > > browser you use.
> >
> > *NOT*
> >
> > if you look again, you will not see headers;
> > In-Reply-To:
> >
> > or
> >     References:
> > > Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of
> > > it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on
> > > the Gmail Web interface, or any email interface.
> >
> > it is not a fault of browser, it is a fault with gmail when using
> > web browser to reply to threaded post.
> >
> > ap's header only contains;
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > where as tim's header is;
> >
> > Message-ID: 
> >    Subject: Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
> >    From: Tim 
> >    To: [e-mail]
> >    Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:14:26 +1030
> >    In-Reply-To:
> >    
> >    References:
> >
> > if you view header for this email, you will see that "References"
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > added to;
> >
> > References:
> >
> > therefore, i wonder if you are running your gmail account off-line
> > with an email client and now replying on-line thru a browser.
>
> As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
> the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
>
> So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
>
> Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
> works?  <BIG grin>

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 08:02 PM, David wrote:
<>
> As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has
> no problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for
> me fall in the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.

and you use "thread(s)", indicating possible plural?

so just what do you have selected under;

View > Sort by
and
     View > Threads
?
> So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)

better to be 'Linux geeks' than an "oossass", who is running wow64
and using thunderbird 24.1.1. :=)
> Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work
> for most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it
> no longer works?  <BIG grin>

see above.

last, but not least, if you think linux users are geeks, just why
are you, an "oossass", following a linux thread?

trying to learn how the better world lives? ((GBWG))

Why some say "rpm hell"

[David]

On 11/27/2013 9:54 PM, g wrote:
> On 11/27/2013 08:02 PM, David wrote:
> <>
> > As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has
> > no problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for
> > me fall in the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
>
> and you use "thread(s)", indicating possible plural?
>
> so just what do you have selected under;
> View > Sort by
>
> and
>     View > Threads
> ?

You are searching for errors? Perhaps I said that incorrectly. AP's
messages, and those of everyone that I have seen that have replied to
his original post, thread correctly. For me.

I said thread(s) because I have seen him, and others, post as he does,
and I do not have ay problems with those posts. post before and his
posts thread.

As for me? I have Thunderbird set to 'thread' messages in folders that
Thunderbird (selected with filters) send to selected folders This folder
is only emails from Fedora Users and the emails ARE THREADED.

And what I said, and what I meant, was that if *you* have a problem with
this... it appears to be your problem and not his.
> > So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> > stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
>
> better to be 'Linux geeks' than an "oossass", who is running wow64
> and using thunderbird 24.1.1. :=)
> > Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work
> > for most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it
> > no longer works?  <BIG grin>
>
> see above.
>
> last, but not least, if you think linux users are geeks, just why
> are you, an "oossass", following a linux thread?
>
> trying to learn how the better world lives? ((GBWG))

Hmm...  Linux users, the ones that I called 'Geeks', (which was not
meant as an insult) are the only computer users, that I know of, that
will run one a simple process through nine different programs to do the
same thing that one Linux program can do.  :-)

BTW. What is an "oossass"  ?

Why some say "rpm hell"

[poma]

On 28.11.2013 03:02, David wrote:
> As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
> the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
>
> So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
>
> Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
> works?  <BIG grin>

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html
This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a
rather enjoyable.
Good to know.

poma

Why some say "rpm hell"

[David]

On 11/28/2013 12:01 AM, poma wrote:
> On 28.11.2013 03:02, David wrote:
> > As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> > problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
> > the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
> >
> > So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> > stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
> >
> > Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> > most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
> > works?  <BIG grin>
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html
> This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a
> rather enjoyable.
> Good to know.
>
> poma

I am confused here 'poma'. You are calling me a spammer? Why?

Why some say "spammer"

[poma]

On 28.11.2013 06:06, David wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 12:01 AM, poma wrote:
> > On 28.11.2013 03:02, David wrote:
> > > As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> > > problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
> > > the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
> > >
> > > So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> > > stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
> > >
> > > Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> > > most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
> > > works?  <BIG grin>
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html
> > This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a
> > rather enjoyable.
> > Good to know.
> >
> > poma
>
> I am confused here 'poma'. You are calling me a spammer? Why?

Certainly, you *are* confused.
LoL!
Bee awesome.:!

poma

Why some say "spammer"

[David]

On 11/28/2013 12:24 AM, poma wrote:
> On 28.11.2013 06:06, David wrote:
> > On 11/28/2013 12:01 AM, poma wrote:
> > > On 28.11.2013 03:02, David wrote:
> > > > As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> > > > problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall in
> > > > the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
> > > >
> > > > So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> > > > stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> > > > most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no longer
> > > > works?  <BIG grin>
> > >
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html
> > > This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a
> > > rather enjoyable.
> > > Good to know.
> > >
> > > poma
> >
> > I am confused here 'poma'. You are calling me a spammer? Why?
>
> Certainly, you *are* confused.
> LoL!
> Bee awesome.:!
>
> poma

You have been a little off lately. Missed your meds?

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 11:01 PM, poma wrote:
<>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html
> This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to
> be a rather enjoyable.
> Good to know.

i believe i would call him a 'troller' more so than a 'spammer'.

any one interested, have a read of what he started at;

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01280.html

iirc, he has hit list at mozilla, opensuse, ubuntu.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/27/2013 10:15 PM, David wrote:
> On 11/27/2013 9:54 PM, g wrote:

<<>>
> > so just what do you have selected under;
> >
> > View > Sort by and View > Threads ?
>
> You are searching for errors?

no.
> Perhaps I said that incorrectly. AP's
> messages, and those of everyone that I have seen that have replied
> to his original post, thread correctly. For me.

great. so why do you not reply with above settings?

<>
> As for me? I have Thunderbird set to 'thread' messages in folders
> that Thunderbird (selected with filters) send to selected folders
> This folder is only emails from Fedora Users and the emails ARE
> THREADED.

bfd. you are not only one who filters for lists and various other
uses. filters are a basic part of good email clients.
> And what I said, and what I meant, was that if *you* have a problem
> with this... it appears to be your problem and not his.

it would be just _my_ problem if it where not for fact that _others_
are having same problem with op's post.

<>
> Hmm...  Linux users, the ones that I called 'Geeks', (which was not
> meant as an insult) are the only computer users, that I know of,
> that will run one a simple process through nine different programs
> to do the same thing that one Linux program can do.  :-)

no. i would call them a 'newbie' or a 'dumb ass' if they are not
familiar with the 'one' program.
> BTW. What is an "oossass"  ?

a wow64 user. ;=)

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Ian Malone]

On 28 November 2013 04:15, David  wrote:
> On 11/27/2013 9:54 PM, g wrote:
> > On 11/27/2013 08:02 PM, David wrote:
> > <>
> > > As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has
> > > no problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for
> > > me fall in the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
> >
> > and you use "thread(s)", indicating possible plural?
> >
> > so just what do you have selected under;
> > View > Sort by
> >
> > and
> >     View > Threads
> > ?
>
> You are searching for errors? Perhaps I said that incorrectly. AP's
> messages, and those of everyone that I have seen that have replied to
> his original post, thread correctly. For me.
>
> I said thread(s) because I have seen him, and others, post as he does,
> and I do not have ay problems with those posts. post before and his
> posts thread.

Great. For you. AP expressed an interest in this. As I've mentioned
some clients guess threading, you're using one of them. There is, and
has been for a very long time, a mechanism for doing it properly. It's
not some 'super complicated geek thing' it's one line of text that's
normally hidden that says which message it follows. Understandable to
anyone who understands English.
> Hmm...  Linux users, the ones that I called 'Geeks', (which was not
> meant as an insult) are the only computer users, that I know of, that

Some take it as an insult. Especially when it's used to push a lazy stereotype.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Tim]

Tim:
> > Yet, when I do that with gmail (reply to a message through the web
> > interface), it works with proper headers.

g:
> that is interesting.
>
> you have not done so regarding this "Subject:".

Because I have a bit more respect for the list than sending a mass of
test emails through it when it's not needed.  ;-)  Brief summary:

I have logged into the gmail webpage, sent an email to an address.
Replied to that email, outside of gmail.  Replied to the reply, inside
of gmail (using their web interface).  And done more replies to replies.
Results; proper headers in all the messages.

I have used Evolution with IMAP to gmail.  Done the same sorts of tests
(sending messages, replying to replies).  Same results; proper headers.

That convinces me that gmail works properly, under normal circumstances.
And I see that other people using gmail on this list have proper
threading headers, too.

I'm not willing to bugger up my web browser with a pile of plug-ins to
see if that makes it worse, though.  And as brought up, it does look a
bit like trolling (asking silly questions, in numerous places, doing it
in an annoying fashion).  On the other hand, the original question
wasn't particularly laboured upon.  So, I dunno.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 27 November 2013, David sent:
> As I said... Me - The ordinary user that uses an Email Client has no
> problems with what AP and Gmail is/are doing. His posts, for me fall
> in the proper place in the thread(s) on this list.
>
> So that means?? Maybe you 'Linux geeks' with your 'fancy Linux Geek
> stuff' running have made this a problem? For you.  :-)
>
> Linux (geeks) has/have a tendency to take simple things, that work for
> most, and then those Linux Geeks take it to the point that it no
> longer works?  <BIG grin>

My take on your response would be that you probably are not "threading"
messages, merely "sorting" by subject.  Which is an entirely different
thing.  There are a number of things wrong with that approach, chief in
my mind are that:

1. You cannot easily follow an on-going thread when someone changes the
subject line, yet it is still part of the same thread, even more so when
it happens more than once.  And, yes, changing the subject within a
thread is sensible in some cases (e.g. "solved" cases).  But mailing
list servers that bung in [list name] into the subject line are a
classic case of nuisance subject changes.

2. The sequence of replies to replies can't be accurately done without
using threading headers, sorting by subject and date doesn't do it.
This becomes important with protracted threads.

And I don't care whether *you* sort by threads, or not.  Nor care
whether you give a damn about threading.  What I do care about is when
people bugger up the ability for threading to work by using clients that
mangle the headers.

Or let's put it another way.  How long would it take you to get
seriously inconvenienced if another header was destroyed?  Such as all
messages on this list having no subject line, at all, never mind the
typical useless ones people write.  It doesn't take much to mess things
up.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 28 November 2013, Roger sent:
> I haven't been following this discussion thread closely of late but 
> would like to understand how and what emails, clients, headers, gmail 
> and faults or not with browsers has to do with  "Why some say "rpm 
> hell". I seem to have missed a step.

The thread diverged, and nobody changed the subject line.  I think it
just petered out with an explanation of what "RPM hell" was, and how
it's not unique to RPM.

If your mail client does threading, you could collapse this thread, and
walk back up its heritage until it split off.  And you could follow just
the original thread, keeping this tangent hidden out of the way.

You can't do that when someone stuffs up the threading headers.  All the
replies just get thrown in a mess on the floor.

I can't think how the problem poster is doing this, other than by being
deliberately annoying.

Why some say "spammer"

[poma]

On 28.11.2013 06:37, David wrote:
> You have been a little off lately. Missed your meds?

Where would we be without your brilliant comments.
Naughty, naughty boy!

Bee awesome.:!

poma

Why some say "spammer"

[Erik P. Olsen]

On 28/11/13 14:04, poma wrote:
> Bee awesome.:!

Bee?

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Garry Williams]

On 11-27-13 23:15:12 David wrote:
> You are searching for errors? Perhaps I said that incorrectly. AP's
> messages, and those of everyone that I have seen that have replied
> to his original post, thread correctly. For me.

This is a function of the mail reader client.  I use Kmail and this
list is in a separate directory from others and I set the "Message
Aggregation Mode" for that folder to "Perfect, by References and by
Subject".  This makes it /appear/ that AP's messages are threading
properly.  But it's an illusion.  They are threaded by Subject and by
date/time.  I see his replies to one poster under another because of
this.

Without the proper headers, correct threading is impossible.  My
client approximates it.

Your client is doing the same thing -- approximating threading.

As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken
messages, I am betting g is correct.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[g]

On 11/28/2013 02:35 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> Without the proper headers, correct threading is impossible.  My
> client approximates it.

this is true.
> Your client is doing the same thing -- approximating threading.

it may well be true and is why i asked david to post what settings
he has in "View > Sort by" settings
> As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken
> messages, I am betting g is correct.

thank you. if it where not for my 'chemo brain', there are some
other posting by op using various names that i do not recall.

if you look at my post;

Message-ID: 
   Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:55:30 -0600
   From: g

you will see where i am breaking down headers to show difference
between _broken_ and _non_-_broken_ post.

because children have nothing better to do, i do believe that ap
may be playing a game to see how long he can keep posting his
troll game and how many will reply until repliers get tired of
his troll game.

children from India and Sri Lanka have a very odd sense of humor
and like to play games with people from "foreign" countries,
because as foreigners, we think and talk funny.

not that i have my "pesticide" filter set, i will not be seeing
any more post from the childish monkey. :=)

i hope others follow suite and stop replying to his post.

i ran a search for him posting on other list and i was right
about his trolling other linux list.

"ap" is just one of the names he uses. i do not recall the other
others he has used, but they all end up showing that he actually
is trolling. and, i would not doubt that he is an oos user.

Why some say "rpm hell"

[Vikram Goyal]

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 03:09:18PM -0600, g wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 02:35 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > Without the proper headers, correct threading is impossible.  My
> > client approximates it.
>
> this is true.
> > Your client is doing the same thing -- approximating threading.
>
> it may well be true and is why i asked david to post what settings
> he has in "View > Sort by" settings
> > As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken
> > messages, I am betting g is correct.
>
> thank you. if it where not for my 'chemo brain', there are some
> other posting by op using various names that i do not recall.
>
> if you look at my post;
>
> Message-ID: 
>   Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:55:30 -0600
>   From: g
>
> you will see where i am breaking down headers to show difference
> between _broken_ and _non_-_broken_ post.
>
> because children have nothing better to do, i do believe that ap
> may be playing a game to see how long he can keep posting his
> troll game and how many will reply until repliers get tired of
> his troll game.
>
> children from India and Sri Lanka have a very odd sense of humor
> and like to play games with people from "foreign" countries,
> because as foreigners, we think and talk funny.
>
> not that i have my "pesticide" filter set, i will not be seeing
> any more post from the childish monkey. :=)
>
> i hope others follow suite and stop replying to his post.
>
> i ran a search for him posting on other list and i was right
> about his trolling other linux list.
>
> "ap" is just one of the names he uses. i do not recall the other
> others he has used, but they all end up showing that he actually
> is trolling. and, i would not doubt that he is an oos user.

Dear Grand Father g ;) please don't be so angry towards the poor
'Indians' 'Sri Lankans' etc. Dear g, did they teach you not to be a
racist since groupism is bad, very bad but unfortunately some cultures,
religions promote it & thus create lots of sufferings & conflicts.  They
instill it in the human from the very childhood itself thus making it
very difficult to eradicate. In the olden times when you 'might' be
having 'some education', Racism & Groupism was not a Tabu in the White
World but slowly as the world intermixed, it was found not to be a very
humane idea.

Is it possible, you are from Australia or maybe you have some friends,
relatives there with whom you interact a lot? Just curious...

Not sure about 'The Foreigners' but you do think & talk funny, which
does not seem very funny though.

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