strange sendmail behavir

[SternData]

I have root aliased to "[e-mail]" in /etc/aliases.  When I
use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
"[e-mail]".

But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
"[e-mail]".

Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail mx server,
but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX on its own.

I'm baffled.

[Jack Craig]

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Steven Stern <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> I have root aliased to "[e-mail]" in /etc/aliases.  When I
> use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
> "[e-mail]".
>
> But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
> "[e-mail]".
>
> Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail mx server,
> but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX on its own.
> I'm baffled.
> -- Steve
>
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*you might try some of these sendmail debug chants, ...*

cat /var/log/maillog | grep -c 'reject='

to reset service

/etc/init.d/sendmail {start|stop|restart}

sendmail logging levels

*-d0     General debugging.-d1     Show send information.-d2     End with
finis( ).-d3     Print the load average.-d4     Enough disk space.-d5
Show events.-d6     Show failed mail.-d7     The queue file name.-d8
DNS name resolution.-d9     Trace RFC1413 queries.-d9.1     Make host name
canonical.-d10     Show recipient delivery.-d11     Trace delivery.-d12
Show mapping of relative host.-d13     Show delivery.-d14     Show header
field commas.-d15     Show network get request activity.-d16     Outgoing
connections.-d17     List MX hosts.*

12 SMTP connects logged at LOG_INFO.
13 Log bad user shells, world-writable files, and other questionable
situations.
14 Connection refusals logged at LOG_INFO.
15 All incoming and outgoing SMTP commands and their arguments logged at
LOG_INFO.

sendmail -v -d0.15 -bv jackc

[SternData]

On 05/18/2014 01:37 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Steven Stern
> <[e-mail] >
> wrote:
> I have root aliased to "[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>" in /etc/aliases.  When I
> use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
> "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>".
>
> But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
> "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>".
>
> Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail mx server,
> but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX on its own.
>
> I'm baffled.
> --
> -- Steve
> --
> users mailing list
> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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>
>
>
> *you might try some of these sendmail debug chants, ...*
>
> cat /var/log/maillog | grep -c 'reject='
>
> to reset service
>
> /etc/init.d/sendmail {start|stop|restart}
>
> sendmail logging levels
>
> /-d0     General debugging.
> -d1     Show send information.
> -d2     End with finis( ).
> -d3     Print the load average.
> -d4     Enough disk space.
> -d5     Show events.
> -d6     Show failed mail.
> -d7     The queue file name.
> -d8     DNS name resolution.
> -d9     Trace RFC1413 queries.
> -d9.1     Make host name canonical.
> -d10     Show recipient delivery.
> -d11     Trace delivery.
> -d12     Show mapping of relative host.
> -d13     Show delivery.
> -d14     Show header field commas.
> -d15     Show network get request activity.
> -d16     Outgoing connections.
> -d17     List MX hosts./
>
> 12 SMTP connects logged at LOG_INFO.
> 13 Log bad user shells, world-writable files, and other questionable
> situations.
> 14 Connection refusals logged at LOG_INFO.
> 15 All incoming and outgoing SMTP commands and their arguments logged at
> LOG_INFO.
>
> sendmail -v -d0.15 -bv jackc

When I run  it from the command line, it looks OK. But when it gets to
Google, the header does not include "for ".
It's addressed to "[e-mail]".  When I
send from an identically configured CentOS machine, the "for" line appears.

I've gone so far as to copy /etc/mail/* and /etc/aliases* from that
CentOS machine to my Fedora machine, but that doesn't fix the problem.

[Jack Craig]

did you run /etc/mail/make after db files update?

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Steven Stern <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On 05/18/2014 01:37 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
> > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Steven Stern
> > <[e-mail] >
> > wrote:
> > I have root aliased to "[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>" in /etc/aliases.  When I
> > use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
> > "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>".
> >
> > But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
> > "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]
> >
> > ".
> > Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail mx
>
> server,
> > but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX on its
>
> own.
> > I'm baffled.
> > --
> > -- Steve
> > --
> > users mailing list
> > [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
> > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
> >
> >
> >
> > *you might try some of these sendmail debug chants, ...*
> >
> > cat /var/log/maillog | grep -c 'reject='
> >
> > to reset service
> >
> > /etc/init.d/sendmail {start|stop|restart}
> >
> > sendmail logging levels
> >
> > /-d0     General debugging.
> > -d1     Show send information.
> > -d2     End with finis( ).
> > -d3     Print the load average.
> > -d4     Enough disk space.
> > -d5     Show events.
> > -d6     Show failed mail.
> > -d7     The queue file name.
> > -d8     DNS name resolution.
> > -d9     Trace RFC1413 queries.
> > -d9.1     Make host name canonical.
> > -d10     Show recipient delivery.
> > -d11     Trace delivery.
> > -d12     Show mapping of relative host.
> > -d13     Show delivery.
> > -d14     Show header field commas.
> > -d15     Show network get request activity.
> > -d16     Outgoing connections.
> > -d17     List MX hosts./
> >
> > 12 SMTP connects logged at LOG_INFO.
> > 13 Log bad user shells, world-writable files, and other questionable
> > situations.
> > 14 Connection refusals logged at LOG_INFO.
> > 15 All incoming and outgoing SMTP commands and their arguments logged at
> > LOG_INFO.
> >
> > sendmail -v -d0.15 -bv jackc
>
> When I run  it from the command line, it looks OK. But when it gets to
> Google, the header does not include "for ".
> It's addressed to "[e-mail]".  When I
> send from an identically configured CentOS machine, the "for" line appears.
>
> I've gone so far as to copy /etc/mail/* and /etc/aliases* from that
> CentOS machine to my Fedora machine, but that doesn't fix the problem.
>
> --
> -- Steve
>
> users mailing list
> [e-mail]
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[SternData]

On 05/18/2014 05:07 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
> did you run /etc/mail/make after db files update?

Of course.

Anyhow, the workaround is to use genericstable. I don't know why it's
needed on this system and none of the others, but it's got things going
again

@subdomain.mydomain.com [e-mail]
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Steven Stern
> <[e-mail] >
> wrote:
> On 05/18/2014 01:37 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Steven Stern
> > <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     I have root aliased to "[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >     <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>" in /etc/aliases.  When I
> >     use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
> >     "[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>".
> >
> >     But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
> >     "[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>".
> >
> >     Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail
> mx server,
> >     but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX
> on its own.
> >
> >     I'm baffled.
> >     --
> >     -- Steve
> >     --
> >     users mailing list
> >     [e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> <mailto:[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> >     To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> >     https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> >     Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
> >     Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> >     Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
> >
> >
> >
> > *you might try some of these sendmail debug chants, ...*
> >
> >    cat /var/log/maillog | grep -c 'reject='
> >
> > to reset service
> >
> >    /etc/init.d/sendmail {start|stop|restart}
> >
> > sendmail logging levels
> >
> > /-d0     General debugging.
> > -d1     Show send information.
> > -d2     End with finis( ).
> > -d3     Print the load average.
> > -d4     Enough disk space.
> > -d5     Show events.
> > -d6     Show failed mail.
> > -d7     The queue file name.
> > -d8     DNS name resolution.
> > -d9     Trace RFC1413 queries.
> > -d9.1     Make host name canonical.
> > -d10     Show recipient delivery.
> > -d11     Trace delivery.
> > -d12     Show mapping of relative host.
> > -d13     Show delivery.
> > -d14     Show header field commas.
> > -d15     Show network get request activity.
> > -d16     Outgoing connections.
> > -d17     List MX hosts./
> >
> > 12 SMTP connects logged at LOG_INFO.
> > 13 Log bad user shells, world-writable files, and other questionable
> > situations.
> > 14 Connection refusals logged at LOG_INFO.
> > 15 All incoming and outgoing SMTP commands and their arguments
> logged at
> > LOG_INFO.
> >
> >
> > sendmail -v -d0.15 -bv jackc
> >
> >
> >
>
> When I run  it from the command line, it looks OK. But when it gets to
> Google, the header does not include "for <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>".
> It's addressed to "[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>".  When I
> send from an identically configured CentOS machine, the "for" line
> appears.
>
> I've gone so far as to copy /etc/mail/* and /etc/aliases* from that
> CentOS machine to my Fedora machine, but that doesn't fix the problem.
>
> --
> -- Steve
> --
> users mailing list
> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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[Tim]

On Sun, 2014-05-18 at 12:38 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> I have root aliased to "[e-mail]" in /etc/aliases.  When
> I use "sendmail -bv root", it shows that the mail will be send to
> "[e-mail]".
>
> But when I use "mail root", the mail goes to
> "[e-mail]".
>
> Mail is handled by a SMARTHOST statement going out to a gmail mx
> server, but the problem remains if I let it default to finding an MX
> on its own.

I haven't run sendmail on a recent release, but these sorts of things
have caused me grief in the past:

If you want to post to an external mailserver, your "from" address has
to be a real address (the domain name has to have a public IP, at the
very least, that the external service can look up).  They won't accept
mail coming from [e-mail], or any fictitious
domain names.

Your machine's hostname has to resolve properly.  If your machine thinks
that it is localhost.localdomain, rather than some-made-up.example.com,
sending mail behaves oddly.

If you've done dopey things with your /etc/hosts files, such as putting
your machine hostname into the localhost lines, instead of into the
lines that are associated with your ethernet port addresses, sending
mail can be screwy.  For what it's worth, I have a properly functioning
DNS server on my LAN, and no machine names in any /etc/hosts files, just
the localhost lines.

Mailservers, and other servers, can do some strange shenanigans to
determine their hostnames, which can trip you up, such as:  Look up the
hostname, find out its numerical IP, reverse look-up that IP, to find
out its hostname.  Or, reverse-lookup its IP to find the hostname, look
up the IP for that hostname, then rinse, lather, repeat.  Either as a
way to find out these things, or as part of the confirmation that the
addresses are correct (e.g. anti-spam techniques).

If something resolves to 127.0.0.1 or localhost, in the middle of such
sequences, everything goes off course from what you expected.