Which iso?

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
I only find a Fedora-Server-DVD
no Fedora-Workstation-DVD

Is it OK?

Thank.

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[Rami Rosen]

Hi,
You can find such an iso in one of fedora mirrors,
https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/21/x86_64/

For example
http://mirror.digitalnova.at/fedora/linux/releases/21/Workstation/x86_64/iso...

Regards,
Rami Rosen
http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen
 בתאריך 19 בדצמ 2014 12:13, "Patrick Dupre"  כתב:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
> I only find a Fedora-Server-DVD
> no Fedora-Workstation-DVD
>
> Is it OK?
>
> Thank.
>
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>  Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
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[Robert Moskowitz]

On 12/19/2014 05:13 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
> I only find a Fedora-Server-DVD
> no Fedora-Workstation-DVD

Just like the netinst, the Server-DVD has it all.  Select the desktop 
environment you want.
> Is it OK?
>
> Thank.
>
> ===========================================================================
>   Patrick DUPRÉ                                 | | email: [e-mail]
>   Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
>   Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale           | |
>   Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12                   | | Fax: [phone]
>   189A, avenue Maurice Schumann                 | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
> ===========================================================================

[Pete Travis]

On Dec 19, 2014 10:59 AM, "Robert Moskowitz"  wrote:
> On 12/19/2014 05:13 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
> > I only find a Fedora-Server-DVD
> > no Fedora-Workstation-DVD
>
> Just like the netinst, the Server-DVD has it all.  Select the desktop

environment you want.
>

The netinstall has the whole online repo to draw from.  The Server DVD has
this:
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Server/x86_64/os/Pa...

There's a definite shortage of packages beginning with 'gnome' here...

Anyway, there hasn't been an image that does a literal 'upgrade' for a
while now.  If you use fedup it will download the newer version of each
package you have installed and nothing else - where the old DVD would
probably have packages you don't need, and not have packages you do.  If
the fedup prep stops because of a network interruption, the already
downloaded packages don't go away.  Run fedup again, and it will pick up
where it left off.

--Pete

[Rick Stevens]

On 12/19/2014 01:41 PM, Pete Travis wrote:

I wanted to start out by noting that the OP stated:
> > > I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).

^^^^^^^^^^^
> Anyway, there hasn't been an image that does a literal 'upgrade' for a
> while now.  If you use fedup it will download the newer version of each
> package you have installed and nothing else - where the old DVD would
> probably have packages you don't need, and not have packages you do.  If
> the fedup prep stops because of a network interruption, the already
> downloaded packages don't go away.  Run fedup again, and it will pick up
> where it left off.

That's why he wanted a DVD with everything on it...he has a crappy
network connection so a network upgrade is sorta difficult. I suppose
he was planning to fire up a bittorrent session and let it run a few
days to get the DVD image.

I tend to agree with the OP...not everyone has a decent internet
connection and having everything dependent on the network sort of
orphans those users. Not a great way of winning friends and influencing
people.
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[Pete Travis]

On 12/19/2014 04:11 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 12/19/2014 01:41 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> I wanted to start out by noting that the OP stated:
> > > > I wanted to update to 21 (from 20) using a DVD (bad network).
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Anyway, there hasn't been an image that does a literal 'upgrade' for a
> > while now.  If you use fedup it will download the newer version of each
> > package you have installed and nothing else - where the old DVD would
> > probably have packages you don't need, and not have packages you do.  If
> > the fedup prep stops because of a network interruption, the already
> > downloaded packages don't go away.  Run fedup again, and it will pick up
> > where it left off.
>
> That's why he wanted a DVD with everything on it...he has a crappy
> network connection so a network upgrade is sorta difficult. I suppose
> he was planning to fire up a bittorrent session and let it run a few
> days to get the DVD image.
>
> I tend to agree with the OP...not everyone has a decent internet
> connection and having everything dependent on the network sort of
> orphans those users. Not a great way of winning friends and influencing
> people.
> Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital    [e-mail] -
> AIM/Skype: therps2        ICQ: 22643734            Yahoo: origrps2 -
>                                                                -
> Politicians are the opposite of pickpockets because you never see  -
>    them take their hand out of your pocket.                    -
>                                         -- Larry Fine          -

Let me take a step back - I think I didn't explain this well.  If you
have a bad network connection, downloading one very large file is a
risky prospect.  You're going to use more bandwidth than you need to,
the bad network connection could corrupt the download - and yes, torrent
downloads do get corrupted - etc.  The OP is asking where to *download*
the DVD - which I'll point out again, does not exist.  The typical
method for installing any linux distro is to download the ISO.  There's
only one way out of that, the Fedora Free Media program, and you don't
get something that does an in-place upgrade that way, for the last
several releases.  Even then, you didn't get the Install DVD, you  got a
multi-live image.  Now, you'll get something that will do a clean
install of Fedora Workstation.

As for "A dvd with everything on it" - there has never been such a
thing, and if there was, you wouldn't ask to download it to solve your
network problems. "Everything" for Fedora 21 is over 70GB. The updates
of Everything so far are another ~10GB.  The only way this works out
better for low-bandwidth users is if there's an image that has all the
packages they have installed, and none they don't.  That's kind of like
what fedup provides - only without the extra space required for the
installer and related tools.

If you download one package at a time, like fedup does, you're breaking
up that download task into more manageable chunks.  Fedup doesn't
download the packages at the same time as it uses them; the process is
broken into steps: first all of the packages are downloaded, then you
reboot, and the downloaded packages are applied.  You can stop the first
part at any time, and the packages that you have already downloaded will
still be there.  You can resume, and fedup will know that it doesn't
need to download them again.  If we're talking about the space of a few
days, sure, there's going to be new updates, but the majority of the
packages probably won't change in such a short time. Once they're all
downloaded, though, the actual upgrade is completely offline.

So, I guess I'm answering a different question. Not "where do I get the
DVD image", but "what's the best way to upgrade with a bad network
connection".

[Andre Robatino]

Pete Travis <lists <at> petetravis.com> writes:
> So, I guess I'm answering a different question. Not "where do I get
> the DVD image", but "what's the best way to upgrade with a bad
> network connection".

Downloading a single large Fedora image shouldn't be a problem, even with an
unreliable network connection (really slow is a different matter). It's best
to use a robust command-line tool such as wget, rather than a browser (for a
large image, reliability is more important than a nice GUI). wget can resume
an interrupted download using -c. In the unlikely event the download gets
corrupted (and I've personally never had this happen) rsync is available to
repair it.

If the network connection is unreliable or slow, it's best to use a direct
download, rather than a torrent. That way you don't have to waste bandwidth
uploading, and rsync is better at repairing corruption than BitTorrent,
since it can make use of matching blocks even at different offsets inside
the file.

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 19 December 2014, Rick Stevens sent:
> not everyone has a decent internet connection

Or any at all.  Sometimes, you just want to slip in a disc and make a
new computer installation somewhere where there is no network, and will
never be.