7:02 a.m.
I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
which has been running now for 14 hours,
with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
Please, this is Linux.
Tell us what is happening,
and show us what progress is being made.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:59:19 -0400
From: cummings(a)kjchome.homeip.net
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
>
> What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
Check your fedora-release package. It should be the f11 one. If so,
you'll use f11 repos. If not, you'll use f10 repos. Get/install it by
hand if you have to....
> Pete
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get/install the package from a mirror - like:
rpm -ivh
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
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Peter J. Stieber wrote:
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
PS>>
PS>> What can I do to start obtaining fc11
PS>> rpms with yum?
KC = Kevin Cummings
KC> Check your fedora-release package. It
KC> should be the f11 one. If so, you'll
KC> use f11 repos. If not, you'll use f10
KC> repos. Get/install it by hand if you
KC> have to....
# rpm -qa | grep fedora-release
fedora-release-10-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-10.0.0-1.noarch
fedora-release-11-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch
So I'm running
# package-cleanup --cleandupes
Will use
# package-cleanup --orphans
and
# package-cleanup --problems
after that, but I may have more questions. Thanks again for all of your
help.
It's probably simpler to download the current RPM by hand (or save a
copy of the current one), then do a:
rpm -e -a --nodeps fedora-release
rpm -i --nodeps fedora-release-11-1.noarch.rpm
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4:17 p.m.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:33:51 -0700
From: developer(a)toyon.com
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>>>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>>>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>>> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>>>
KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC>>> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC>>> of it.
PS>>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>>
PS>>> N of N packages completed
PS>>>
PS>>> in the background, and
PS>>>
PS>>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a
PS>>> little while...
KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC>>> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC>>> starting to install the N packages....
KC>>>
KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
PS>> It is.
KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC>>> of your old ones too?
PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>>
PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?
KC> No, your current install probably has the db
KC> open for write access....
KC> Depending on what you had installed under f10
KC> (a lot of kernels?) it could take a while to
KC> reconstruct your db.
I remove old kernels using rpm -e.
KC> At this point I'd try rebooting and see if
KC> you can boot the new kernel....
I rebooted and the machine is running 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586, but there
were a lot of complaints during the boot.
KC> If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see
KC> if anything needs cleaning up. You might find
KC> a few things that need cleaning up...
KC> At best, you might not find any problems...
KC> Absolute worst, is you can't boot at all and
KC> need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like
KC> the bulk of the install finished.
I rebooted before I read this. At the prompt I ran
# yum clean all
# yum update
And it updated a bunch of packages with the fc10 versions. Time to
cleanup ;-)
KC> Also, remember if you have RPM problems after
KC> the reboot, try:
KC>
KC> cd /var/lib/rpm
KC> rm -f __*
KC> rpm --rebuilddb
KC>
KC> And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number
KC> of -v options, log the output, and post it here....
Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:56:07 -0700
From: developer(a)toyon.com
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>
KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC> of it.
PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>
PS>> N of N packages completed
PS>>
PS>> in the background, and
PS>>
PS>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC> starting to install the N packages....
KC>
KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
It is.
KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC> of your old ones too?
# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# rpm -qa | grep fc10
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
Does this indicate what the problem is?
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It would appear that the upgrade process has not finished updating the database.
So, for all practical purposes, your "upgraded" system is very likely unusable.
At this point I would strongly urge you to burn the dvd iso and upgrade from
the dvd.
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PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
PS>>
PS>> What can I do to start obtaining fc11
PS>> rpms with yum?
KC = Kevin Cummings
KC> Check your fedora-release package. It
KC> should be the f11 one. If so, you'll
KC> use f11 repos. If not, you'll use f10
KC> repos. Get/install it by hand if you
KC> have to....
# rpm -qa | grep fedora-release
fedora-release-10-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-10.0.0-1.noarch
fedora-release-11-1.noarch
fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch
So I'm running
# package-cleanup --cleandupes
Will use
# package-cleanup --orphans
and
# package-cleanup --problems
after that, but I may have more questions. Thanks again for all of your
help.
Pete
3:59 p.m.
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
Check your fedora-release package. It should be the f11 one. If so,
you'll use f11 repos. If not, you'll use f10 repos. Get/install it by
hand if you have to....
Pete
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2:16 p.m.
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda
consuming the rest. Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.
Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg
out of the way?
You can do a "text" install. Or at least you used to. If you can't do
a text install, try forcing the Xorg driver to VESA. I'm pretty sure
there is an boot option to control this....
Pete
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3:11 p.m.
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>
KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC> of it.
PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>
PS>> N of N packages completed
PS>>
PS>> in the background, and
PS>>
PS>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC> starting to install the N packages....
KC>
KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
It is.
KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC> of your old ones too?
# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# rpm -qa | grep fc10
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
Does this indicate what the problem is?
No, your current install probably has the db open for write access....
Depending on what you had installed under f10 (a lot of kernels?) it
could take a while to reconstruct your db.
At this point I'd try rebooting and see if you can boot the new kernel....
If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see if anything needs cleaning
up. You might find a few things that need cleaning up...
At best, you might not find any problems.... Absolute worst, is you
can't boot at all and need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like
the bulk of the install finished.
Also, remember if you have RPM problems after the reboot, try:
cd /var/lib/rpm
rm -f __*
rpm --rebuilddb
And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number of -v options, log the
output, and post it here....
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2:56 p.m.
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>
KC> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC> of it.
PS>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>
PS>> N of N packages completed
PS>>
PS>> in the background, and
PS>>
PS>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
KC> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC> starting to install the N packages....
KC>
KC> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
It is.
KC> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC> of your old ones too?
# chroot /mnt/sysimage
# rpm -qa | grep fc10
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
Does this indicate what the problem is?
Pete
2:39 p.m.
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?
If you can't find out what's been installed and what isn't, yes, I'd
abort and try again. Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of the 3 log screens to be
able to scroll back and see information that has scrolled off the
screen. Seems that's always what happens, by the time you find the
right screen to look at, the useful information has scrolled off the top
of it.
Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it
reads...
N of N packages completed
in the background, and
Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the OLD RPMs from the db,
cleaning up the grub.conf file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
to run the transaction in which case its only starting to install the N
packages....
Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa show the new RPMS as
installed? Does it show any of your old ones too?
in the foreground?
Pete
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2:33 p.m.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:26:11 -0700
From: developer(a)toyon.com
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
PS>>
PS>> In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97%
PS>> of CPU with anaconda consuming the rest. Maybe
PS>> the video driver is causing me grief.
PS>>
PS>> Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more
PS>> priority or get Xorg out of the way?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> You can do a "text" install. Or at least you
KC> used to. If you can't do a text install, try
KC> forcing the Xorg driver to VESA. I'm pretty
KC> sure there is an boot option to control this...
So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?
Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it reads...
N of N packages completed
in the background, and
Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
in the foreground?
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Well, if N of N packages are done, there is not much left to do...
From the shell in one of the virtual tty's ,
you may be
able to chroot to the mounted linux partition you are upgrading.
After chroot, run
rpm -qa to see if all the N packages are fedora 11 or still fedora 10.
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2:26 p.m.
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
PS>>
PS>> In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97%
PS>> of CPU with anaconda consuming the rest. Maybe
PS>> the video driver is causing me grief.
PS>>
PS>> Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more
PS>> priority or get Xorg out of the way?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> You can do a "text" install. Or at least you
KC> used to. If you can't do a text install, try
KC> forcing the Xorg driver to VESA. I'm pretty
KC> sure there is an boot option to control this...
So your feeling is I should abort the currently stuck install?
Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a GUI install after it reads...
N of N packages completed
in the background, and
Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
in the foreground?
Pete
2:03 p.m.
TM = Timothy Murphy
TM>>>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with
TM>>>> preupgrade) from F10. Everything went fine
TM>>>> until "Finishing upgrade process", which
TM>>>> has been running now for 14 hours, with that
TM>>>> ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging
TM>>>> from side to side.
TM>>>>
TM>>>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>>>
TM>>>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>>>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>>>> and show us what progress is being made.
AA = Simon Andrews
SA>>> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going
SA>>> into a shell I saw that anaconda was only
SA>>> taking ~2%CPU...
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This may
PS>> take a while" state?
PS>>
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.
MK = Markus Kesaromous
MK> What I suggest is that you get the full F11 DVD iso
MK> and do the upgrade from that. Doing an upgrade can
MK> be problematic because it is possible that some or
MK> many rpms you currently have on F10 (which you
MK> might have installed from repositories other than
MK> Redhat/Fedora), will fail the upgrade.
I only use Fedora repos. I don't even use rpmfusion.
MK> May I ask why you want to do an "upgrade" vs "install"??
I have a little over 10 machines I administer at work. They all have
run Fedora since Fedora Core 1. They all have been update with
occasional HW fixes along the way, and yes, there are always problems
upgrading, but I just look on this list and the net to figure out solutions.
I've been doing network install CD updates since that was available.
I've used the preupgrade process on a few machines for F10 -> F11, but
was bit by the mirror problems last Saturday. I upgraded a similar i386
machine using the network install CD yesterday so I figured the mirror
problem was fixed.
Don't be afraid to upgrade if you are willing to deal with all of the
problems, just backup first.
Pete
1:58 p.m.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:52:09 -0700
From: developer(a)toyon.com
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This
PS>> may take a while" state?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running
KC> anaconda....
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.
KC> CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually
KC> contain interesting information during an anaconda
KC> install. I think console 3 has the anaconda logs,
KC> console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has
KC> the Xorg log.
Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda
consuming the rest. Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.
Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg
out of the way?
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Increasing priority will probably not be helpful - but from the shell, you can issue
renice --10 where is the anaconda process id.
You could also drastically decrease the priority of the Xserver by
renice +20
Again, I doubt it would help very much at all.
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PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This
PS>> may take a while" state?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC> CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running
KC> anaconda....
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.
KC> CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually
KC> contain interesting information during an anaconda
KC> install. I think console 3 has the anaconda logs,
KC> console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has
KC> the Xorg log.
Thanks Kevin. That's exactly what I needed!
In the shell I ran top, and Xorg is consuming 97% of CPU with anaconda
consuming the rest. Maybe the video driver is causing me grief.
Is there anything I can do to give anaconda more priority or get Xorg
out of the way?
Pete
1:44 p.m.
New subject: [FC] Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>>>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with
TM>>>> preupgrade) from F10. Everything went fine
TM>>>> until "Finishing upgrade process", which
TM>>>> has been running now for 14 hours, with
TM>>>> that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo
TM>>>> swinging from side to side.
TM>>>>
TM>>>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>>>
TM>>>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>>>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>>>> and show us what progress is being made.
SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA>>> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going
SA>>> into a shell I saw that anaconda was only
SA>>> taking ~2%CPU...
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> How did you get a shell when you were in the
PS>> "Please wait while setup is finished. This
PS>> may take a while" state?
PS>>
PS>> I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine.
PS>> I'm updating F10 -> F11 with the network install
PS>> CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
PS>> the install 19 hours ago.
JB = Joerg Bergmann
JB> See the "software upgrade failed" thread on this list.
JB> Due to all mirrors out of sync, any network install
JB> (or install with online repositories included) is
JB> impossible now. I learned that on Sunday, July 12. I
JB> did terminate an installation from DVD with online
JB> repositories included. An offline installation worked
JB> well. On Monday 15:00 UTC there was a window for
JB> doing the updates, but mirrors got de-synced after
JB> that again...
I was burnt by this problem last Saturday, but I successfully completed
a network install CD upgrade on a i386 machine yesterday, just before
upgrading the machine that is currently causing me problems. The screen
statued that is successfully installed 1090 packages.
Does anyone else believe this is the "mirror problem".
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm wondering how to determine what is
going on on the machine? How did Simon get into a shell?
How long should I wait before rebooting?
Pete
1:37 p.m.
Peter J. Stieber wrote:
How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while
setup is
finished. This may take a while" state?
CTRL-ALT-F2 usually does it when you are running anaconda....
I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating
F10 -> F11
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
the install 19 hours ago.
CTRL-ALT-F3, CTRL-ALT-F4, and CTRL-ALT-F5 usually contain interesting
information during an anaconda install. I think console 3 has the
anaconda logs, console 4 has syslog messages, and console 5 has the Xorg
log.
Any help would be appreciated,
Pete
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1:36 p.m.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:17:50 -0700
From: developer(a)toyon.com
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 upgrade - worse than Windows
TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
TM>>
TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>
TM>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>> and show us what progress is being made.
SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a
SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...
How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is
finished. This may take a while" state?
I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating F10 -> F11
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
the install 19 hours ago.
Any help would be appreciated,
Pete
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Usually, during the install / upgrade process, you can Ctrl-Alt one of the F keys
which has a running shell in it already. However, i am not sure the shell
would help.
What I suggest is that you get the full F11 DVD iso and do the upgrade from that.
Doing an upgrade can be problematic because it is possible that some or many
rpms you currently have on F10 (which you might have installed from repositories
other than Redhat/Fedora), will fail the upgrade.
May I ask why you want to do an "upgrade" vs "install"??
Cheers,
MM
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http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009
1:31 p.m.
See the "software upgrade failed" thread on this list.
Due to all mirrors out of sync, any network install
(or install with online repositories included) is impossible
at now. I learned that on Sunday, July 12. I did terminate
an installation from DVD with online repositories
included. An offline installation worked well. On Monday
15:00 UTC there was a window for doing the updates, but
mirrors got de-synced after that again...
Joerg
Am 16.07.2009 20:17, schrieb Peter J. Stieber:
TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
TM>>
TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>
TM>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>> and show us what progress is being made.
SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a
SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...
How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is
finished. This may take a while" state?
I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating F10 -> F11
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
the install 19 hours ago.
Any help would be appreciated,
Pete
1:17 p.m.
TM = Timothy Murphy wrote:
TM>> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
TM>> Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
TM>> which has been running now for 14 hours,
TM>> with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
TM>>
TM>> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
TM>>
TM>> Please, this is Linux.
TM>> Tell us what is happening,
TM>> and show us what progress is being made.
SA = Simon Andrews wrote:
SA> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a
SA> shell I saw that anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU...
How did you get a shell when you were in the "Please wait while setup is
finished. This may take a while" state?
I'm stuck in this state with a desktop machine. I'm updating F10 -> F11
with the network install CD and can't tell why it is stuck. I started
the install 19 hours ago.
Any help would be appreciated,
Pete
1:30 p.m.
Roberto Ragusa wrote:
Simon Andrews wrote:
> I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a shell I saw that
> anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU and that my load averages were low and
> that no significant data was coming in over the network, so I'm not sure
> what is happening over this time.
I may be wrong, but I noticed in a previous upgrade that in that
phase the machine is disk-limited as it is executing a great
quantity of sync() functions, related to the rpm database.
I would really like a simple way to turn the sync() stuff off
when doing an upgrade.
I know I know, it is dangerous and "libeatmydata" etc., but
an upgrade is already considered a risk by me, so I always backup
before upgrading; at that point, I would kick the sync() stuff
out of the way very happily.
You might want to run iostat and save the output during upgrade. Even on a
laptop the upgrades don't seem to take all that long. Before I offer any tricks
to make that faster, see if you can find out why it's slow.
You might look with hdparm and see if your disk has cache disabled, look in
/var/log/messages for any reported retries, etc.
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the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
9:01 a.m.
Simon Andrews wrote:
I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a shell I saw
that
anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU and that my load averages were low and
that no significant data was coming in over the network, so I'm not sure
what is happening over this time.
I may be wrong, but I noticed in a previous upgrade that in that
phase the machine is disk-limited as it is executing a great
quantity of sync() functions, related to the rpm database.
I would really like a simple way to turn the sync() stuff off
when doing an upgrade.
I know I know, it is dangerous and "libeatmydata" etc., but
an upgrade is already considered a risk by me, so I always backup
before upgrading; at that point, I would kick the sync() stuff
out of the way very happily.
Best regards.
--
Roberto Ragusa mail at robertoragusa.it
3:50 a.m.
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade) from F10.
Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade process",
which has been running now for 14 hours,
with that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side to side.
I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
Please, this is Linux.
Tell us what is happening,
and show us what progress is being made.
I saw this too (but not for that long). Going into a shell I saw that
anaconda was only taking ~2%CPU and that my load averages were low and
that no significant data was coming in over the network, so I'm not sure
what is happening over this time.
It might be worth filing a bug about this since it doesn't seem right
that the computer sits in an idle state for so long at the end of the
install. I suspect that it should be a lot quicker than this and that
on some systems something takes ages to time out.
Simon.
7:34 a.m.
>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy
<gayleard(a)eircom.net> writes:
Timothy> I'm trying to upgrade a Thinkpad T23 (with preupgrade)
Timothy> from F10. Everything went fine until "Finishing upgrade
Timothy> process", which has been running now for 14 hours, with
Timothy> that ghastly imitation-Windows yo-yo swinging from side
Timothy> to side.
Timothy> I am told, "This may take a little while" !!!
Timothy> Please, this is Linux. Tell us what is happening, and
Timothy> show us what progress is being made.
I had this problem too (although it didn't run for quite so long -
maybe an hour or two).
When I rebooted after it finished, yum was in a mess.
I got advice on this list. Check last weeks archives to see what
worked for me (if you ever get to that stage).
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Colin Adams
Preston Lancashire
3:33 p.m.
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>>>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>>>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>>> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>>>
KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC>>> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC>>> of it.
PS>>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>>
PS>>> N of N packages completed
PS>>>
PS>>> in the background, and
PS>>>
PS>>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a
PS>>> little while...
KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC>>> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC>>> starting to install the N packages....
KC>>>
KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
PS>> It is.
KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC>>> of your old ones too?
PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>>
PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?
KC> No, your current install probably has the db
KC> open for write access....
KC> Depending on what you had installed under f10
KC> (a lot of kernels?) it could take a while to
KC> reconstruct your db.
I remove old kernels using rpm -e.
KC> At this point I'd try rebooting and see if
KC> you can boot the new kernel....
I rebooted and the machine is running 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586, but there
were a lot of complaints during the boot.
KC> If so, try a yum-complete-transaction to see
KC> if anything needs cleaning up. You might find
KC> a few things that need cleaning up...
KC> At best, you might not find any problems...
KC> Absolute worst, is you can't boot at all and
KC> need the rescue disk to recover. but it looks like
KC> the bulk of the install finished.
I rebooted before I read this. At the prompt I ran
# yum clean all
# yum update
And it updated a bunch of packages with the fc10 versions. Time to
cleanup ;-)
KC> Also, remember if you have RPM problems after
KC> the reboot, try:
KC>
KC> cd /var/lib/rpm
KC> rm -f __*
KC> rpm --rebuilddb
KC>
KC> And if your rebuild hangs, try it with a number
KC> of -v options, log the output, and post it here....
Thanks for all of the help Kevin.
What can I do to start obtaining fc11 rpms with yum?
Pete
4:26 p.m.
PS = Pete Stieber
PS>>>> So your feeling is I should abort the
PS>>>> currently stuck install?
KC = Kevin J. Cummings
KC>>> If you can't find out what's been installed
KC>>> and what isn't, yes, I'd abort and try again.
KC>>> Seems I always end up doing that anyways. B^)
KC>>>
KC>>> 24x80 is *not* enough buffer space on any of
KC>>> the 3 log screens to be able to scroll back
KC>>> and see information that has scrolled off the
KC>>> screen. Seems that's always what happens, by
KC>>> the time you find the right screen to look at,
KC>>> the useful information has scrolled off the top
KC>>> of it.
PS>>>> Can anyone tell me what anaconda does during a
PS>>>> GUI install after it reads...
PS>>>>
PS>>>> N of N packages completed
PS>>>>
PS>>>> in the background, and
PS>>>>
PS>>>> Finishing upgrade process. This may take a little while...
KC>>> Could be just package cleanup (ie deleting the
KC>>> OLD RPMs from the db, cleaning up the grub.conf
KC>>> file, etc.) Or it could be actually starting
KC>>> to run the transaction in which case its only
KC>>> starting to install the N packages....
KC>>>
KC>>> Can you see if the new kernel is in your grub.conf?
PS>> It is.
KC>>> If you chroot to your /mnt/sysimage, does rpm -qa
KC>>> show the new RPMS as installed? Does it show any
KC>>> of your old ones too?
PS>> # chroot /mnt/sysimage
PS>> # rpm -qa | grep fc10
PS>> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - no such file or directory
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
PS>>
PS>> Does this indicate what the problem is?
MK = Markus Kesaromous
MK> It would appear that the upgrade process has
MK> not finished updating the database. So, for
MK> all practical purposes, your "upgraded" system
MK> is very likely unusable. At this point I would
MK> strongly urge you to burn the dvd iso and
MK> upgrade from the dvd.
No need. If you checkout the other messages in this thread you'll find
the machine booted Fedora 11. I have some cleaning up to do, but all is
well. System is very usable.
As I said earlier in this thread...
<PS earlier in thread>
I have a little over 10 machines I administer at work. They all have
run Fedora since Fedora Core 1. They all have been update with
occasional HW fixes along the way, and yes, there are always problems
upgrading, but I just look on this list and the net to figure out solutions.
I've been doing network install CD updates since that was available.
I've used the preupgrade process on a few machines for F10 -> F11, but
was bit by the mirror problems last Saturday. I upgraded a similar i386
machine using the network install CD yesterday so I figured the mirror
problem was fixed.
Don't be afraid to upgrade if you are willing to deal with all of the
problems, just backup first.
</PS earlier in thread>
And thanks to some help from Kevin Cummings, all is well. Don't be
afraid to attempt an upgrade, especially if you are going to wipe the
machine to do a fresh install.
Pete
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