I use the RPM packages of the NVIDIA drivers from rpm.livna.org. The latest version of the drivers hit livna.testing today, and I'm trying to install them, but yum won't let me. I can't quite get my head round what is going on. This is what I have installed (excluding a couple of irrelevant lines):
$ rpm -qa | grep "kernel|nvidia" | sort
kernel-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
I'll edit the output of the next command to show you just the relevant bits:
$ yum list available *nvidia*
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Now it seems to me that I ought to able to do a straightforward update of nvidia-glx and kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3. However, any of these invocations of yum:
sudo yum update sudo yum update nvidia-glx sudo yum update kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 sudo yum update nvidia-glx kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
fail with the same error:
Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
I've attached the full messages from the above four commands to this email in case it is of further help.
Am I invoking yum incorrectly, is yum doing something wrong, or are the packages broken? I'm certain this has worked in the past ...
TIA, Darren
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 19:09 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
I use the RPM packages of the NVIDIA drivers from rpm.livna.org. The latest version of the drivers hit livna.testing today, and I'm trying to install them, but yum won't let me. I can't quite get my head round what is going on. This is what I have installed (excluding a couple of irrelevant lines):
$ rpm -qa | grep "kernel|nvidia" | sort
kernel-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
I'll edit the output of the next command to show you just the relevant bits:
$ yum list available *nvidia*
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Now it seems to me that I ought to able to do a straightforward update of nvidia-glx and kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3. However, any of these invocations of yum:
sudo yum update sudo yum update nvidia-glx sudo yum update kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 sudo yum update nvidia-glx kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
fail with the same error:
Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
I've attached the full messages from the above four commands to this email in case it is of further help.
Am I invoking yum incorrectly, is yum doing something wrong, or are the packages broken? I'm certain this has worked in the past ...
Does this work?
sudo yum install \ kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 \ nvidia-glx-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
?
If not, try switching to runlevel 3 (telinit 3) and doing this:
# rpm -e kernel-module-nvidia # yum install kernel-module-nvidia
Warning: I use neither livna packages nor nvidia graphics cards so if this doesn't work your X may be horribly broken.
Paul.
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:27 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
Does this work?
sudo yum install \ kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 \ nvidia-glx-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
It might, but I would like to work out why the update won't work. (It may be that it isn't meant to and the above is what I'm supposed to be doing, but then I'd like to determine that for sure.)
If not, try switching to runlevel 3 (telinit 3) and doing this:
# rpm -e kernel-module-nvidia # yum install kernel-module-nvidia
I'm fairly certain that that will work, but of course it doesn't really narrow down why the update doesn't work, as this indicates it should:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
If there is a bug in either the packages or yum I'd rather try to find out what it is and report it rather than circumvent it. I'm not *desperate* for the nvidia update :-)
Best, Darren
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:51 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:27 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
Does this work?
sudo yum install \ kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 \ nvidia-glx-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
It might, but I would like to work out why the update won't work. (It may be that it isn't meant to and the above is what I'm supposed to be doing, but then I'd like to determine that for sure.)
If not, try switching to runlevel 3 (telinit 3) and doing this:
# rpm -e kernel-module-nvidia # yum install kernel-module-nvidia
I'm fairly certain that that will work, but of course it doesn't really narrow down why the update doesn't work, as this indicates it should:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
If there is a bug in either the packages or yum I'd rather try to find out what it is and report it rather than circumvent it. I'm not *desperate* for the nvidia update :-)
What's happening is this:
You currently have kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 and nvidia- glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 installed. The kernel module, being a kernel module, is only ever installed, not upgraded, by yum. So when a new version comes out, the old one is still kept by yum. However, nvidia-glx is not a kernel module and so when a new version of that comes out, it gets upgraded, deleting the old version.
So, if you want to install the nice new kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 package, yum will see that it requires to update the nvidia-glx package to version 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3. However, doing that would break the existing kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 module, which requires nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3.
Paul.
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 21:02 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
What's happening is this:
Paul, thanks for helping out. You may well be right, but let me just give you my reasoning on the issue:
You currently have kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 and nvidia- glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 installed. The kernel module, being a kernel module, is only ever installed, not upgraded, by yum.
But yum lists it as an available update! The kernel modules have a name which includes the kernel version they are a module for, and they have a version number:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
is
version no 1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
of
package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
So when a new version comes out, the old one is still kept by yum.
I could be imagining this, but I am sure I have upgraded using yum in the past. Now if a new kernel comes out then a new package called kernel-module-nvidia-<kernel-name> will become available, and *that* needs to be installed alongside any modules already installed for older kernels. But,
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
is just a newer version (1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3) of an already installed package:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
However, nvidia-glx is not a kernel module and so when a new version of that comes out, it gets upgraded, deleting the old version.
Yes.
So, if you want to install the nice new kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 package, yum will see that it requires to update the nvidia-glx package to version 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3.
Yes.
However, doing that would break the existing kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 module, which requires nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3.
No. It should just upgrade the existing kernel-module! (At least that is what I think it should, and what I thought it used to do. I might be wrong on the last point.)
Note, when a new kernel comes out and the nvidia kernel module is rebuilt for it yum (correctly) does not list it as an update. You have to check for its availability with "yum list available kernel-module- nvidia-*", and then yum install it when it becomes available. That's exactly right, and what you have described above. The kernel module under discussion is a newer version of an existing kernel module, and yum does indeed list it as an available update:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Do you see how I have reasoned myself into suspecting that there is either a packaging bug or a yum bug here? As I said, maybe I'm just missing some fundamental thing here, but I'm not quite sure what ...
Thanks for the help.
Best, Darren
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 21:28 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 21:02 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
What's happening is this:
Paul, thanks for helping out. You may well be right, but let me just give you my reasoning on the issue:
You currently have kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 and nvidia- glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 installed. The kernel module, being a kernel module, is only ever installed, not upgraded, by yum.
But yum lists it as an available update! The kernel modules have a name which includes the kernel version they are a module for, and they have a version number:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
is
version no 1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
of
package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
So when a new version comes out, the old one is still kept by yum.
I could be imagining this, but I am sure I have upgraded using yum in the past. Now if a new kernel comes out then a new package called kernel-module-nvidia-<kernel-name> will become available, and *that* needs to be installed alongside any modules already installed for older kernels. But,
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
is just a newer version (1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3) of an already installed package:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
However, nvidia-glx is not a kernel module and so when a new version of that comes out, it gets upgraded, deleting the old version.
Yes.
So, if you want to install the nice new kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 package, yum will see that it requires to update the nvidia-glx package to version 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3.
Yes.
However, doing that would break the existing kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 module, which requires nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3.
No. It should just upgrade the existing kernel-module! (At least that is what I think it should, and what I thought it used to do. I might be wrong on the last point.)
Update the kernel module, NO.
Yum by default does an install on new kernels and modules. That is so it does not break the existing installation.
However, as Paul has stated, other packages are not installed but upgraded. (The older package is removed)
I would be willing to guess that using Paul's procedure it will work or you simply might try yum install kernel-module-nvidia..... nvidia-glx..... with the matching 7167 version numbers and it should work. You might need to use a force or nodeps option.
This might be a failed dependency configuration of the nvidia-glx package and since that comes from livna the issue at that point would need to be addressed to Axel there.
Note, when a new kernel comes out and the nvidia kernel module is rebuilt for it yum (correctly) does not list it as an update. You have to check for its availability with "yum list available kernel-module- nvidia-*", and then yum install it when it becomes available. That's exactly right, and what you have described above. The kernel module under discussion is a newer version of an existing kernel module, and yum does indeed list it as an available update:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Do you see how I have reasoned myself into suspecting that there is either a packaging bug or a yum bug here? As I said, maybe I'm just missing some fundamental thing here, but I'm not quite sure what ...
As I said above, it may be a packaging issue. That would need to be addressed to the packager directly, Livna.
Thanks for the help.
Best, Darren
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On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:19 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
Yum by default does an install on new kernels and modules. That is so it does not break the existing installation.
However, as Paul has stated, other packages are not installed but upgraded. (The older package is removed)
I would be willing to guess that using Paul's procedure it will work or you simply might try yum install kernel-module-nvidia..... nvidia-glx..... with the matching 7167 version numbers and it should work. You might need to use a force or nodeps option.
This might be a failed dependency configuration of the nvidia-glx package and since that comes from livna the issue at that point would need to be addressed to Axel there.
As I said above, it may be a packaging issue. That would need to be addressed to the packager directly, Livna.
Thanks, Jeff.
I've already added comments to this bug:
http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385
You and Paul are bringing me round to the idea that "yum install" is what is needed, but I think that is a failure in yum. Or, it could be a packaging bug. But I don't think a user, especially one who is not as experienced as I am (I've been using GNU/Linux for years, I'm a web developer, etc.), should ever be confronted with this conundrum:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
$ sudo yum update [snip] Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
Yum may be hard-coded to not update kernel modules, but that shouldn't include a newer version of the *same* (i.e. built for exactly the same kernel) module. Maybe the shortcoming is in rpm, maybe yum has no way of telling what is a new version of an existing kernel module and what is a kernel module for a totally different kernel. But whether the fault is with yum or rpm it still needs an RFE. Now if I can just determine what exactly is going on, I'm happy to do the honours. Yum RFE? RPM RFE? or Livna packaging bug?
Suggestions welcome!
Best, Darren
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 03:33 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:19 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
Yum by default does an install on new kernels and modules. That is so it does not break the existing installation.
However, as Paul has stated, other packages are not installed but upgraded. (The older package is removed)
I would be willing to guess that using Paul's procedure it will work or you simply might try yum install kernel-module-nvidia..... nvidia-glx..... with the matching 7167 version numbers and it should work. You might need to use a force or nodeps option.
This might be a failed dependency configuration of the nvidia-glx package and since that comes from livna the issue at that point would need to be addressed to Axel there.
As I said above, it may be a packaging issue. That would need to be addressed to the packager directly, Livna.
Thanks, Jeff.
I've already added comments to this bug:
http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385
You and Paul are bringing me round to the idea that "yum install" is what is needed, but I think that is a failure in yum. Or, it could be a packaging bug. But I don't think a user, especially one who is not as experienced as I am (I've been using GNU/Linux for years, I'm a web developer, etc.), should ever be confronted with this conundrum:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
$ sudo yum update [snip] Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
I see the issue here. You already have kernel-module-nvidia for the 6629 drive installed for the existing kernel 2.6.10-1.770. So when you install the new driver level for the same kernel it breaks the dependency for the nvidia-glx. You will need to do an uninstall of the old driver and an install of the new driver since they are for the same kernel level.
Yum may be hard-coded to not update kernel modules, but that shouldn't include a newer version of the *same* (i.e. built for exactly the same kernel) module. Maybe the shortcoming is in rpm, maybe yum has no way of telling what is a new version of an existing kernel module and what is a kernel module for a totally different kernel. But whether the fault is with yum or rpm it still needs an RFE. Now if I can just determine what exactly is going on, I'm happy to do the honours. Yum RFE? RPM RFE? or Livna packaging bug?
That would be 1) rpm related and 2) packager related.
However, since a driver needs to be exactly one driver for that piece of hardware, then the rpm packager needs to do an uninstall of the existing driver as he installs the new driver.
I would file that with Livna as a packaging issue. It needs to remove the old package, and everything else that depends on that package before it installs the new one.
As I see it, the new kernel module is being installed, but that would break the related nvidia-glx package, so it also should remove the glx package as part of installing the new kernel module package.
It still seems a packager issue since they apparently did not handle removing packages that depend on the module when upgrading the module.
Suggestions welcome!
Best, Darren
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On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 19:13 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
I see the issue here. You already have kernel-module-nvidia for the 6629 drive installed for the existing kernel 2.6.10-1.770. So when you install the new driver level for the same kernel it breaks the dependency for the nvidia-glx. You will need to do an uninstall of the old driver and an install of the new driver since they are for the same kernel level.
Yes, that's exactly it, and it seems that Peter (the maintainer) has fixed the problem. I'm guessing it was a packaging bug. New packages came out today and yum update worked just fine.
I think I'm more relieved to discover that my memory wasn't playing tricks on me and that this is meant to work (as it just did) than I am to have the new drivers!
Best, Darren
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 01:34 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
Yes, that's exactly it
Sigh. I can't believe I wrote that having managed to quote the wrong section of your email. So in my previous email the bit where I say "that's exactly is" is precisely not it. The problem was a packaging bug.
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 20:19 -0600, Jeff Vian wrote:
I would be willing to guess that using Paul's procedure it will work or you simply might try yum install kernel-module-nvidia..... nvidia-glx..... with the matching 7167 version numbers and it should work. You might need to use a force or nodeps option.
Arrgh! Just say NO! to --force or --nodeps!!!!
This might be a failed dependency configuration of the nvidia-glx package and since that comes from livna the issue at that point would need to be addressed to Axel there.
Axel might be your contact for ATrpms but not for livna...
Paul.
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 21:28 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 21:02 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
What's happening is this:
Paul, thanks for helping out. You may well be right, but let me just give you my reasoning on the issue:
You currently have kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 and nvidia- glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 installed. The kernel module, being a kernel module, is only ever installed, not upgraded, by yum.
But yum lists it as an available update! The kernel modules have a name which includes the kernel version they are a module for, and they have a version number:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
is
version no 1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
of
package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
Agreed.
So when a new version comes out, the old one is still kept by yum.
I could be imagining this, but I am sure I have upgraded using yum in the past. Now if a new kernel comes out then a new package called kernel-module-nvidia-<kernel-name> will become available, and *that* needs to be installed alongside any modules already installed for older kernels. But,
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3
is just a newer version (1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3) of an already installed package:
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
The key difference here is that what you have done before is install a new package for a new kernel, based on the same underlying nvidia module version. So you can have multiple kernel-module-nvidia packages installed, one for each kernel, all depending on one matching nvidia-glx package.
What's happening now is that there is a new version of the nvidia module, which means that you need a new version of the kernel module for each of your installed kernels and a new version of nvidia-glx. Since (I think) there can only be one version of nvidia-glx installed at once, this means that all the updates need to be done in a single rpm transaction, and yum can't do that because it doesn't want to remove the older version of the kernel modules. That's why it's behaving differently this time.
However, doing that would break the existing kernel-module- nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 module, which requires nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3.
No. It should just upgrade the existing kernel-module! (At least that is what I think it should, and what I thought it used to do. I might be wrong on the last point.)
What it used to do was install a *new* kernel module for a new kernel.
Note, when a new kernel comes out and the nvidia kernel module is rebuilt for it yum (correctly) does not list it as an update. You have to check for its availability with "yum list available kernel-module- nvidia-*", and then yum install it when it becomes available. That's exactly right, and what you have described above. The kernel module under discussion is a newer version of an existing kernel module, and yum does indeed list it as an available update:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Do you see how I have reasoned myself into suspecting that there is either a packaging bug or a yum bug here? As I said, maybe I'm just missing some fundamental thing here, but I'm not quite sure what ...
Do you see it now?
Paul.
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 08:50 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
The key difference here is that what you have done before is install a new package for a new kernel, based on the same underlying nvidia module version. So you can have multiple kernel-module-nvidia packages installed, one for each kernel, all depending on one matching nvidia-glx package.
What's happening now is that there is a new version of the nvidia module, which means that you need a new version of the kernel module for each of your installed kernels and a new version of nvidia-glx. Since (I think) there can only be one version of nvidia-glx installed at once, this means that all the updates need to be done in a single rpm transaction, and yum can't do that because it doesn't want to remove the older version of the kernel modules. That's why it's behaving differently this time.
My memory may well be failing me, but I seem to remember doing *both* things in the past. That is: (a) using yum to *install* a new kernel module when a new kernel comes out, and (b) using yum to *update* an existing kernel module when a new version of the driver comes out.
However, my memory may be wrong, and perhaps yum has never been able to do (b). It is possible that I have performed such updates with some other package management tool, such as red-carpet, or possibly just done the update by hand using rpm -U.
Do you see it now?
Well what I think I am seeing is that yum can't do what I think it should be able to do, and that I probably am misremembering being able to do it in the past. I am not the only one who thinks this undesirable, see:
https://devel.linux.duke.edu/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=394
My main concern here is about making this stuff more user friendly for newbies. I know I can easily circumvent my yum problem and install the new drivers in a jiffy. It's no problem for me. But I don't think we should tell people that it's much better to use the nvidia and ati drivers packaged by livna, because then they are part of your rpm database and you can use yum to update your system just like you would for any other update, and then have the user faced with this:
$ sudo yum list updates [snip] Updated Packages kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
$ sudo yum update [snip] Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
which will just confuse them no end.
Best, Darren
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 08:50 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
What's happening now is that there is a new version of the nvidia module, which means that you need a new version of the kernel module for each of your installed kernels and a new version of nvidia-glx. Since (I think) there can only be one version of nvidia-glx installed at once, this means that all the updates need to be done in a single rpm transaction, and yum can't do that because it doesn't want to remove the older version of the kernel modules. That's why it's behaving differently this time.
Paul, this is just an FYI and to make sure that there is a permanent record on the list archive of the answer to this: it was a packaging bug. Peter released new packages today and yum update worked fine. My memory wasn't playing tricks on me!
Your analysis BTW was partly correct. Yum was trying to update the existing driver (nvidia-glx) and the kernel module (kernel-module- nvidia-<kernel>) in a single RPM transaction, but something was wrong with the newer packages which prevented them from properly obsoleting the older version of the driver. The new packages seem to fix this problem.
But, importantly, you *can* update an existing driver and kernel module with yum. I'm not suggesting you said you can't, but a casual reader of this thread might get that impression.
Best, Darren
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 01:42 +0000, D. D. Brierton wrote:
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 08:50 +0000, Paul Howarth wrote:
What's happening now is that there is a new version of the nvidia module, which means that you need a new version of the kernel module for each of your installed kernels and a new version of nvidia-glx. Since (I think) there can only be one version of nvidia-glx installed at once, this means that all the updates need to be done in a single rpm transaction, and yum can't do that because it doesn't want to remove the older version of the kernel modules. That's why it's behaving differently this time.
Paul, this is just an FYI and to make sure that there is a permanent record on the list archive of the answer to this: it was a packaging bug. Peter released new packages today and yum update worked fine. My memory wasn't playing tricks on me!
Your analysis BTW was partly correct. Yum was trying to update the existing driver (nvidia-glx) and the kernel module (kernel-module- nvidia-<kernel>) in a single RPM transaction, but something was wrong with the newer packages which prevented them from properly obsoleting the older version of the driver. The new packages seem to fix this problem.
But, importantly, you *can* update an existing driver and kernel module with yum. I'm not suggesting you said you can't, but a casual reader of this thread might get that impression.
They key may be in what yum decides is a "kernel" package and thus "install rather than upgrade". I don't know how exactly yum makes that decision. Perhaps it's just for a specific list of packages hard-coded into yum, or perhaps it's for any package starting with "kernel-"? I don't know.
Paul.
D. D. Brierton wrote:
I use the RPM packages of the NVIDIA drivers from rpm.livna.org. The latest version of the drivers hit livna.testing today, and I'm trying to install them, but yum won't let me. I can't quite get my head round what is going on. This is what I have installed (excluding a couple of irrelevant lines):
$ rpm -qa | grep "kernel|nvidia" | sort
kernel-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3 nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-0.lvn.6.3
I'll edit the output of the next command to show you just the relevant bits:
$ yum list available *nvidia*
kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3.i6 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing nvidia-glx.i586 1.0.7167-0.lvn.1.3 livna-testing
Now it seems to me that I ought to able to do a straightforward update of nvidia-glx and kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3. However, any of these invocations of yum:
sudo yum update sudo yum update nvidia-glx sudo yum update kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 sudo yum update nvidia-glx kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
fail with the same error:
Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 needs nvidia-glx = 0:1.0.6629, this is not available.
I've attached the full messages from the above four commands to this email in case it is of further help.
Am I invoking yum incorrectly, is yum doing something wrong, or are the packages broken? I'm certain this has worked in the past ...
TIA, Darren
Hi Darren;
I had the same issue; here is my solution yum remove *nvidia* - that removes all kernel modules and the nvidia-glx
yum install kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3 - that installed the 1.0.7167-0 kernel-module and the nvidia-glx as a dependency - of course you won't have the kernel-module-nvidia if you try to boot up in an old kernel
Sincerely, Gerald
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 03:19 -0700, Gerald Thompson wrote:
I had the same issue; here is my solution yum remove *nvidia*
- that removes all kernel modules and the nvidia-glx
yum install kernel-module-nvidia-2.6.10-1.770_FC3
- that installed the 1.0.7167-0 kernel-module and the nvidia-glx as a
dependency
- of course you won't have the kernel-module-nvidia if you try to boot
up in an old kernel
Yep, I know that will work. I was trying to determine whether there was a way of getting yum to do the update for us. This isn't the most user- friendly way of presenting this stuff to newbies.
Best, Darren
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