I did a new install of Rawhide a few days ago, and I just assumed that the Firefox version was the most recent or within a few weeks of the most recent.
I was pondering the idea of playing with Gnome Boxes, and decided I would try to download an iso of some other distro. When I logged on to Manjaro website, it immediately gave me a large dialogue box that said "your browser Version 78 is out of date."
So why could Fedora not tell me that ?
Anyways, I removed version 78 ( the rpm version ) and installed the flatpak version, which is 80.
I am not up to date on the general consensus of using flatpaks in September of 2020. I have no problem with flatpaks.
Now I have to set up all my web-stuff settings again.
Why would anybody want to use the rpm version of Firefox ? Limited resources on their computer ??
While on the subject of flatpaks, what are some of the upcoming flatpak apps to keep an eye out for ? What are flatpaks are way above their rpm counterparts in development ?
Are future versions of Fedora ( 34, 35, etc. ) going to default to the flatpak version of Firefox ?
My install of Rawhide has about 20 man-hours of usage, with no problems. I hope to do an install of 33 in a month or two.
On an unrelated topic,
the fans on my Radeon 5500XT, do not turn on except when booting up, but I have not tried to play a video game yet.
Cheers,
David Locklear
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 8:02 PM David dlocklear01@gmail.com wrote:
I did a new install of Rawhide a few days ago, and I just assumed that the Firefox version was the most recent or within a few weeks of the most recent.
Usually it is.
I was pondering the idea of playing with Gnome Boxes, and decided I would try to download an iso of some other distro. When I logged on to Manjaro website, it immediately gave me a large dialogue box that said "your browser Version 78 is out of date."
So why could Fedora not tell me that ?
Anyways, I removed version 78 ( the rpm version ) and installed the flatpak version, which is 80.
Actually Fedora 31 and 32 both have Firefox 80.0.1. It appears that all Firefox builds for F33 and Rawhide have failed recently, so those two are still stuck on Firefox 78. Visit https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji and search for "firefox" to see the build attempts. I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me at https://bugz.fedoraproject.org/firefox, but hopefully the maintainers are aware of the situation.
A peek at the most recent build log suggests that LTO may be playing a role in the build failures.
On Sat, 2020-09-19 at 21:00 -0500, David wrote:
I am not up to date on the general consensus of using flatpaks in September of 2020. I have no problem with flatpaks.
Now I have to set up all my web-stuff settings again.
Why would anybody want to use the rpm version of Firefox ? Limited resources on their computer ??
I can't answer as to Firefox flatpaks, but I can with another package, MuseScore. On my PC, a RPM version of MuseScore works as expected, the flatpak version cannot print. You can go through the motions, select your printer as expected, but nothing ever comes out of the printer. I see that problem has existed for well over a year without a fix.
Flatpaks are an attempt to make an all-purpose single package that will work on all distros. Sometimes they (flatpak creators) don't get it right and your distro is too different from theirs, and things mayn't work. I can forsee that if things continue to go down that route they'll start advising people who can't get a package to work to change distros, instead of fixing their flatpak.
On 2020-09-20 10:00, David wrote:
I did a new install of Rawhide a few days ago, and I just assumed that the Firefox version was the most recent or within a few weeks of the most recent.
Well there are your problems. You've made assumptions.
First problem is that you're using Rawhide and you really don't seem to know how to work with it or how it works.
Second, you're posting questions about Rawhide on the "users" list. This list is for "released" versions of Fedora. So, not for Rawhide and not for F33.
Neither Rawhide nor F33 are "rolling" releases. Meaning they are not constantly having the packages updated to the "latest" version.
On or about 9/3 the branching occurred. Rawhide, which was F33, was branched and became "F34". And, at the same time F33 became a reality as the Alpha/Beta/ Release.
I keep fully updated versions of F33 (various flavors) for testing purposes as well as Rawhide.
When it comes to F33 I installed it from an ISO in early September. So I get this....
[root@f33k ~]# dnf history firefox ID | Command line | Date and time | Action(s) | Altered ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 | | 2020-09-05 19:24 | Install | 1715 EE
So, you can see, firefox has not be updated by the package maintainer and is currently at. [root@f33k ~]# rpm -q firefox firefox-78.0.2-1.fc33.x86_64
When it comes to Rawhide, I installed it a while back....
1 | [root@frk ~]# dnf history list 1 | 2019-12-01 05:30 | Install | 1665 EE
And just update the configuration to use F34 (a.k.a. rawhide) repositories.
Firefox was last updated on 2020-07-13 11:17 and is currently at [root@frk ~]# rpm -q firefox firefox-78.0.2-1.fc33.x86_64
So, if you're expecting consistent upgrades to the latest versions of most applications then you're better off sticking with the released version of Fedora.
On 9/20/20 4:36 AM, Tim via users wrote:
On Sat, 2020-09-19 at 21:00 -0500, David wrote:
I am not up to date on the general consensus of using flatpaks in September of 2020. I have no problem with flatpaks.
Now I have to set up all my web-stuff settings again.
Why would anybody want to use the rpm version of Firefox ? Limited resources on their computer ??
I can't answer as to Firefox flatpaks, but I can with another package, MuseScore. On my PC, a RPM version of MuseScore works as expected, the flatpak version cannot print. You can go through the motions, select your printer as expected, but nothing ever comes out of the printer. I see that problem has existed for well over a year without a fix.
Flatpaks are an attempt to make an all-purpose single package that will work on all distros. Sometimes they (flatpak creators) don't get it right and your distro is too different from theirs, and things mayn't work. I can forsee that if things continue to go down that route they'll start advising people who can't get a package to work to change distros, instead of fixing their flatpak.
Another source I found recently explains that flatpaks contain a lot of code that usurps the normal working of the OS, which is why it works on any. And why it's so slow! --doug
Thank you Mr. Greshko and others. I know there are all kinds of info on wiki pages and educational videos about Fedora on the web. I will keep trying to learn. I may have reached my peak brain-capacity trying to live in Rawhide. But I get a warm fuzzy feeling when it updates, especially where there is a huge update.
I do not keep anything important on my computer, that is not somewhere on the cloud ( or is it "in" the cloud or Cloud ?? )
I have updated my Rawhide installs about 150 to 200 times, and I do not ever recall the computer being borked. Maybe a few error messages here and there, mostly related to rpmfusion, and when I was experimenting with that UnitedRPM thing ( which looks like it is a two-person collaboration ?? ).
When I did my first install of Linux a little more than 4 years ago. I had a totally different opinion of it, than I do now. I thought Linux was going to be a cheap-clone of Windows that only offered marginal performance. I had only planned to use it to test my computer, until I could afford to purchase a copy of Windows 8 ( LOL ! ) I could not understand why multi-booting distros in different partitions was such a hassle with GRUB. I had no idea what a virtual OS was. I could not easily distinguish one distro from another. I spent nearly a year in Mageia 6 when it was still under development, and liked it, but once I learned to live in Rawhide, I did not see any reason to distro-hop. I have an empty NVMe drive on my motherboard and I was thinking about putting some other distros on it in partitions, mostly just the ones I have never tried, or the new experimental ones.
David Locklear
On Sun, 2020-09-20 at 14:59 -0500, David wrote:
Thank you Mr. Greshko and others. I know there are all kinds of info on wiki pages and educational videos about Fedora on the web. I will keep trying to learn. I may have reached my peak brain-capacity trying to live in Rawhide. But I get a warm fuzzy feeling when it updates, especially where there is a huge update.
I do not keep anything important on my computer, that is not somewhere on the cloud ( or is it "in" the cloud or Cloud ?? )
I have updated my Rawhide installs about 150 to 200 times, and I do not ever recall the computer being borked. Maybe a few error messages here and there, mostly related to rpmfusion, and when I was experimenting with that UnitedRPM thing ( which looks like it is a two-person collaboration ?? ).
When I did my first install of Linux a little more than 4 years ago. I had a totally different opinion of it, than I do now. I thought Linux was going to be a cheap-clone of Windows that only offered marginal performance. I had only planned to use it to test my computer, until I could afford to purchase a copy of Windows 8 ( LOL ! ) I could not understand why multi-booting distros in different partitions was such a hassle with GRUB. I had no idea what a virtual OS was. I could not easily distinguish one distro from another. I spent nearly a year in Mageia 6 when it was still under development, and liked it, but once I learned to live in Rawhide, I did not see any reason to distro-hop. I have an empty NVMe drive on my motherboard and I was thinking about putting some other distros on it in partitions, mostly just the ones I have never tried, or the new experimental ones.
I really think you need to start a blog. This kind of reflection has its place, but it's not really Fedora-related IMHO.
poc
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 08:25:17PM -0600, Jerry James wrote:
Actually Fedora 31 and 32 both have Firefox 80.0.1. It appears that all Firefox builds for F33 and Rawhide have failed recently, so those two are still stuck on Firefox 78. Visit https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji and search for "firefox" to see the build attempts. I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me at https://bugz.fedoraproject.org/firefox, but hopefully the maintainers are aware of the situation.
A peek at the most recent build log suggests that LTO may be playing a role in the build failures.
If anyone is having an issue caused by Firefox being out of date in Fedora 33, please file a bug against it, so it can be tracked and added as a blocker for the F33 release -- so far no one has complained so it isn't listed.
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/33/beta/buglist
On Sun, 2020-09-20 at 18:06 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
I can't answer as to Firefox flatpaks, but I can with another package, MuseScore. On my PC, a RPM version of MuseScore works as expected, the flatpak version cannot print. You can go through the motions, select your printer as expected, but nothing ever comes out of the printer. I see that problem has existed for well over a year without a fix.
Flatpaks are an attempt to make an all-purpose single package that will work on all distros. Sometimes they (flatpak creators) don't get it right and your distro is too different from theirs, and things mayn't work. I can forsee that if things continue to go down that route they'll start advising people who can't get a package to work to change distros, instead of fixing their flatpak.
A correction to my previous post, it was an appimage, not a flatpak, that I had problems with. Though the reasoning is the same (flatpaks and appimages have similar goals and potential problems).
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