My provider is refusing messages from this list. I'm chccking to see if that's still true.
On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 15:11 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
My provider is refusing messages from this list. I'm chccking to see if that's still true.
Well, it worked. But might I suggest not using your service provider's email.
If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), you're not subject your provider's whims. And if, in the future, you don't like your service provider you're free to leave without having to care that people won't be able to contact you at your email address any more.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 at 02:43, Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 15:11 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
My provider is refusing messages from this list. I'm chccking to see if that's still true.
Well, it worked. But might I suggest not using your service provider's email.
Good advice.
Service providers can get blocklisted when a spammer manages to get a (stolen?) account or when they host web sites for organizations that some individuals find objectionable. Many professional organizations and university alumni groups offer free email forwarding. This provides a stable address you can provide to others, while allowing you to quickly switch to a different provider.
If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), you're not subject your provider's whims. And if, in the future, you don't like your service provider you're free to leave without having to care that people won't be able to contact you at your email address any more.
Or the whims of people who spend their time reporting content they don't like to blocklists. The downside of the external email providers is that your data gets used for their benefit. I try to limit use of gmail to email lists, e.g., only content that is widely available in list archives, etc., but my personal email is with a community organization that also hosts websites for local organizations. People who dislike one of these groups sometimes generate complaints that result in blocklisting, and my outgoing mails to family and friends get blocked. I investigated one instance and found that the blocklist was maintained by a company that Google purchased. So far, gmail has not been blocked, despite being a source of spam (probably sent from stolen accounts).
Tim:
If you use an external one (e.g. gmail, yahoo, or many others), you're not subject your provider's whims...
George N. White III:
Or the whims of people who spend their time reporting content they don't like to blocklists. The downside of the external email providers is that your data gets used for their benefit. I try to limit use of gmail to email lists, e.g., only content that is widely available in list archives, etc., but my personal email is with a community organization that also hosts websites for local organizations.
I agree. I used to have several email addresses, but discovered that you just get more spam that way (to each address). Now my method is like yours. For list mail, I'll use a service that was often a source of spam, such as yahoo, so they can deal with any spam that public list mail attracts (I think this is karma, as well as practical). And my personal mail is handled by a completely separate service.
The problem is still not resolved. I was dealing with the weekend staff at my provider so we'll see if thing are any better with the weekday staff :)
The strange thing today is that the list administrator flushed the queue this morning and several messages came in but nothing since then.
As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely considering. I am using my providers main address less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with Google so that shouldn't be a problem.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:50:40 -0400 Frank McCormick beacon@videotron.ca wrote:
As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely considering. I am using my providers main address less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with Google so that shouldn't be a problem.
You could look at vfemail.net. They have a limited free account, but for $15 a year, you can get a silver account that lets you have unlimited addresses of the type [actual-email]-tag@vfemail.net. e.g. say you have frank@vfemail.net as your main email. Then you could use frank-fedora@vfemail.net as your address for the fedora email lists, etc. I'm not sure how well they fare in the blacklist category, but when I used them (for years) I had no problem. At some point they suffered a DDOS attack, probably demanding ransom, and I lost my addresses. They recovered quickly, but I had already moved to zoho.com. For sure it has the blacklist problem as I have occasionally had emails rejected. I currently have a free account with them for light traffic lists without any issues.
Just another option, might or might not work for you.
On 6/15/21 11:04 AM, stan via users wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:50:40 -0400 Frank McCormick beacon@videotron.ca wrote:
As far as switching to say Gmail that is something I am definitely considering. I am using my providers main address less and less to try to avoid these problems. I guess the way is to set up a seperate inbox for fedora list mail. I am using imap with Google so that shouldn't be a problem.
You could look at vfemail.net. They have a limited free account, but for $15 a year, you can get a silver account that lets you have unlimited addresses of the type [actual-email]-tag@vfemail.net. e.g. say you have frank@vfemail.net as your main email. Then you could use frank-fedora@vfemail.net as your address for the fedora email lists, etc. I'm not sure how well they fare in the blacklist category, but when I used them (for years) I had no problem. At some point they suffered a DDOS attack, probably demanding ransom, and I lost my addresses. They recovered quickly, but I had already moved to zoho.com. For sure it has the blacklist problem as I have occasionally had emails rejected. I currently have a free account with them for light traffic lists without any issues.
Just another option, might or might not work for you. _______________________________________________
Just to let you know the problem seems to have been resolved somehow as I haven't spoken to my providers "technical support" since Sunday. But the list emails started flowing in this morning. We'll see how long it lasts but right now I am researching other mail providers as you suggested.
Thanks
Well it seems I am still subscribed to the list despite my having sent unsubscribe mail. But anyway I am subscribed at my other email address so I don;t care if this one works or not. Time to change providers I think. I'll try again to unsubscribe here.
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