tip: Firefox -> File -> eMail link: Thunderbird is already running

[ToddAndMargo]

Hi All,

Fedora 41
thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64

Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
when I go into

--> Firefox -> File -> eMail link

I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
which it is.  This is a regression bug that I reported
over on:

Firefox file-> email link regression: Thunderbird is already running
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1933006

Whilst our intrepid heroes over on Mozilla work on this
regression, the work around is to install
124.0.1-2  from fc40's repo:

# dnf downgrade firefox --releasever=40

And that worked perfectly.

-T

[Michael Schwendt]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Fedora 41
> thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
>
> Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> when I go into
>
> --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
>
> I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> which it is.

The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
compose window each time.

[Stephen Morris]

On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Fedora 41
> > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> >
> > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > when I go into
> > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> >
> > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > which it is.
>
> The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> compose window each time.

I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does one 
of two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose email 
window, if Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird and opens a 
compose email window.

regards,
Steve

[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/23/24 14:50, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Fedora 41
> > > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> > >
> > > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > > when I go into
> > > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> > >
> > > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > > which it is.
> >
> > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > compose window each time.
>
> I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does one 
> of two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose email 
> window, if Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird and opens a 
> compose email window.
>
> regards,
> Steve

Maybe they fixed it?

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-11-23 17:50, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Fedora 41
> > > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> > >
> > > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > > when I go into
> > > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> > >
> > > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > > which it is.
> >
> > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > compose window each time.
>
> I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does one of 
> two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose email window, if 
> Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird and opens a compose email 
> window.

F41:

Thunderbird running, Google-chrome running.

The above sequence opens g-mail window in Chrome.  Go figure.

Cheers
Frank

[Stephen Morris]

On 25/11/24 02:34, Frank Bures wrote:
> On 2024-11-23 17:50, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Fedora 41
> > > > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > > > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> > > >
> > > > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > > > when I go into
> > > >
> > > > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> > > >
> > > > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > > > which it is.
> > >
> > > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let 
> > > thunderbird
> > > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > > compose window each time.
> >
> > I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does 
> > one of two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose email 
> > window, if Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird and opens 
> > a compose email window.
>
> F41:
>
> Thunderbird running, Google-chrome running.
>
> The above sequence opens g-mail window in Chrome.  Go figure.

How are you doing that? I'm on Chrome 131.0.6778.85 and I don't have any 
menus nor does pressing alt produce any.

regards,
Steve
> Cheers
> Frank

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-11-24 16:32, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 25/11/24 02:34, Frank Bures wrote:
> > On 2024-11-23 17:50, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > > On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Fedora 41
> > > > > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > > > > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> > > > >
> > > > > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > > > > when I go into
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> > > > >
> > > > > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > > > > which it is.
> > > >
> > > > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > > > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> > > > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > > > compose window each time.
> > >
> > > I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does one 
> > > of two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose email 
> > > window, if Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird and opens a 
> > > compose email window.
> >
> > F41:
> >
> > Thunderbird running, Google-chrome running.
> >
> > The above sequence opens g-mail window in Chrome.  Go figure.
>
> How are you doing that? I'm on Chrome 131.0.6778.85 and I don't have any 
> menus nor does pressing alt produce any.

The above sequence is:

--> Firefox -> File -> eMail link

Cheers
Frank

[Stephen Morris]

On 25/11/24 09:04, Frank Bures wrote:
> On 2024-11-24 16:32, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > On 25/11/24 02:34, Frank Bures wrote:
> > > On 2024-11-23 17:50, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > > > On 24/11/24 05:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fedora 41
> > > > > > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > > > > > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > > > > > when I go into
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > > > > > which it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > > > > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let 
> > > > > thunderbird
> > > > > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > > > > compose window each time.
> > > >
> > > > I'm on upstream Firefox 134.0a (Nightly) and File->Email Link does 
> > > > one of two things, if Thunderbird is running it opens a compose 
> > > > email window, if Thunderbird isn't running it starts Thunderbird 
> > > > and opens a compose email window.
> > >
> > > F41:
> > >
> > > Thunderbird running, Google-chrome running.
> > >
> > > The above sequence opens g-mail window in Chrome.  Go figure.
> >
> > How are you doing that? I'm on Chrome 131.0.6778.85 and I don't have 
> > any menus nor does pressing alt produce any.
>
> The above sequence is:
>
> --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link

Sorry, I thought you were saying you issued the command from Chrome. I 
tried your method with firefox 134.0a1 and for me it opens a Thunderbird 
compose window regardless of whether Chrome is running or not on F41.
What I didn't notice before now, whether the Thunderbird compose window 
is opened the body of the mail is populated with the string about:home.

regards,
Steve
> Cheers
> Frank

[Tim]

On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 17:04 -0500, Frank Bures wrote:
> The above sequence is:
>
> --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
>
> Cheers
> Frank

Aha!  You're not clicking on an email mailto: address in a page, like I
thought you were doing.  You're emailing someone a link to the page
you're browsing (something I'd never done, and never noticed the
feature was there).

I'd expect that at some stage you got to select your default mail
program it'll use, and if you ticked something as your default, it'll
forever afterwards use that same program without asking you to pick
something to do the job.  At least that happened here (on older
software versions).

Info about changing preferences:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links

It's in:
about:preferences#general
Applications  (the mailto content type)

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-11-25 06:52, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 17:04 -0500, Frank Bures wrote:
> > The above sequence is:
> >
> > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> >
> > Cheers
> > Frank
>
> Aha!  You're not clicking on an email mailto: address in a page, like I
> thought you were doing.  You're emailing someone a link to the page
> you're browsing (something I'd never done, and never noticed the
> feature was there).
>
> I'd expect that at some stage you got to select your default mail
> program it'll use, and if you ticked something as your default, it'll
> forever afterwards use that same program without asking you to pick
> something to do the job.  At least that happened here (on older
> software versions).

I do not use Firefox as my default browser.  I was just trying to reproduce 
the OP's problem.

I found the default setting and it pointed to Chrome.  However, when I 
changed it to Thunderbird, I got the OP's problem - Thunderbird is already 
running but it's not responding...

I do not care at this point as I am perfectly fine using Chrome to gmail in 
an unlikely case I will need this function.  The sent mail will appear in 
my Thunderbird after the next download from the server (Gmail) anyway.

Cheers
Frank

[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/25/24 07:18, Frank Bures wrote:
> I do not use Firefox as my default browser

I have eight browser installed.  Firefox
is "currently" the default, but is varies.
I use them all for various things.

If you have not tried Brave Browser, you
should. It uses the "Blink" rendering engine
(same as Chrome), has automatic ad blocking,
does not spy on you, has a private windows
with TOR, and is considered grandparent safe.

I typically install both Brave and Firefox
on my customers.  If a web site does not work
in one, try the other.  A lot of sites no
longer work with Firefox.

I do not recommend Edge or Chrome.  They are
terrible spyware.

[Frank Bures]

On 2024-11-25 11:21, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 11/25/24 07:18, Frank Bures wrote:
> > I do not use Firefox as my default browser
>
> I have eight browser installed.  Firefox
> is "currently" the default, but is varies.
> I use them all for various things.
>
> If you have not tried Brave Browser, you
> should. It uses the "Blink" rendering engine
> (same as Chrome), has automatic ad blocking,
> does not spy on you, has a private windows
> with TOR, and is considered grandparent safe.

Thanks, never heard of.

I'll take a look at it.

Frank

[Tim]

On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 08:21 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> If you have not tried Brave Browser, you
> should. It uses the "Blink" rendering engine
> (same as Chrome), has automatic ad blocking,
> does not spy on you, has a private windows
> with TOR, and is considered grandparent safe.
>
> I typically install both Brave and Firefox
> on my customers.  If a web site does not work
> in one, try the other.  A lot of sites no
> longer work with Firefox.

I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox.  I find plenty of
sites that are terrible on any browser.

I've been running Firefox with NoScript for ages, so many sites are
full of scripting crap that bogs things down.  And I find it's the
websites, rather than the browser, that are the real spying/tracking
problem.

Doublelick got sin-binned at my DNS server many years ago, that put an
end to a lot of tracking.  Then, in recent years, I got a smart phone,
and whenever I let it use the (uncensored) mobile network for data I
see a lot of tracking going on (adverts for the same things continually
appearing everywhere).

I tried Brave, but it was a convoluted mess.  It may well be a
nerdgasm, but horrendous to use.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox

It is medical sites were patients look up their medical
records and Recreational Vehicles campgrounds.  And a few
government sites.

[Bob Marčan]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
"ToddAndMargo via users"  wrote:
> On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox

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[Stephen Morris]

On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote:
> > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
>
> https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
>
> Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> We can help!
>
> Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> Will you help us?
>
> Crash reports help us diagnose problems and make Firefox better.
> Report this tab
> Send an automated crash report so we can fix issues like this
>  Include the URLs of the sites you were on when Firefox crashed
>
> https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci
>
> Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> We can help!
>
> Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> Will you help us?
>
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>
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Just a silly question, what version of Firefox are you on? I'm using the 
nightly version of Firefox which is version 135.0a1, and from my 
perspective both of those sites work fine.
The first site prompted me for login credentials which I don't have so I 
didn't go any further.
The second site displayed the page in non-English and I got a popup 
asking if I wanted to translate it, which I did, and the site then 
displayed in English, so I don't see any issues with either site.
I don't get the tab crash issues you are reporting so do you have some 
addin or something that is causing the crashes rather than it being Firefox?

regards,
Steve

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2024-12-13 at 08:38 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> > "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote:
> > > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
> >
> > https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
> >
> > Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> > We can help!
> >
> > Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> > Will you help us?
> >
> > Crash reports help us diagnose problems and make Firefox better.
> > Report this tab
> > Send an automated crash report so we can fix issues like this
> >  Include the URLs of the sites you were on when Firefox crashed
> >
> > https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci
> >
> > Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> > We can help!
> >
> > Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> > Will you help us?
> >
> > Crash reports help us diagnose problems and make Firefox better.
> > Report this tab
> > Send an automated crash report so we can fix issues like this
> >  Include the URLs of the sites you were on when Firefox crashed
> >
> > Need more?
>
> Just a silly question, what version of Firefox are you on? I'm using the 
> nightly version of Firefox which is version 135.0a1, and from my 
> perspective both of those sites work fine.
> The first site prompted me for login credentials which I don't have so I 
> didn't go any further.
> The second site displayed the page in non-English and I got a popup 
> asking if I wanted to translate it, which I did, and the site then 
> displayed in English, so I don't see any issues with either site.
> I don't get the tab crash issues you are reporting so do you have some 
> addin or something that is causing the crashes rather than it being Firefox?

Same here, with the standard (non-nightly) version of Firefox,
currently at firefox-133.0-2.fc41.x86_64

poc

[Bob Marčan]

On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:38:30 +1100
"Stephen Morris"  wrote:
> On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> > "ToddAndMargo via users"  wrote:
> >
> > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
> > > >
> >
> > https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
> >
> > Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> > We can help!
> >
> > Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> > Will you help us?
> >
> > Crash reports help us diagnose problems and make Firefox better.
> > Report this tab
> > Send an automated crash report so we can fix issues like this
> > Include the URLs of the sites you were on when Firefox crashed
> >
> > https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci
> >
> > Gah. Your tab just crashed.
> > We can help!
> >
> > Choose Restore This Tab or Restore All Crashed Tabs to reload the page/pages.
> > Will you help us?
> >
> > Crash reports help us diagnose problems and make Firefox better.
> > Report this tab
> > Send an automated crash report so we can fix issues like this
> > Include the URLs of the sites you were on when Firefox crashed
> >
> > Need more?
>
> Just a silly question, what version of Firefox are you on? I'm using the nightly version of Firefox which is version 135.0a1, and from my perspective both of those sites work fine.
> The first site prompted me for login credentials which I don't have so I didn't go any further.
> The second site displayed the page in non-English and I got a popup asking if I wanted to translate it, which I did, and the site then displayed in English, so I don't see any issues with either site.
> I don't get the tab crash issues you are reporting so do you have some addin or something that is causing the crashes rather than it being Firefox?
>
> regards,
> Steve

[~]$ rpm -q firefox
firefox-133.0-2.fc40.x86_64
Latest from updates.

The first one is my proton account, so i don't expect to work for you.
The second one, try to not translate, it is just a recipe in slovenian language. 
If it works 3 versions later, I will just wait half a year or more to get working version.
Maybe in Fedora 45. :-)
Should I compile beta versions to get to a working browser?
Maybe this is your way, mine is not.
There is no problem with the Palemoon browser.

BR, Bob

[Bob Marčan]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 22:22:43 +0000
Bob Marčan via users  wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:38:30 +1100
> "Stephen Morris"  wrote:
> > On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> > > "ToddAndMargo via users"  wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
> > > > >
> > >
> > > https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
> > > https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci

Same with safe mode. So no extensions etc....

[Stephen Morris]

On 13/12/24 09:40, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 22:22:43 +0000
> Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:38:30 +1100
> > "Stephen Morris" wrote:
> > > On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> > > > "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
> > > >
> > > > https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci
>
> Same with safe mode. So no extensions etc....

At what point does the second site fail for you? I didn't activate the 
translation and I can click on links in the page without any issues. I'm 
also not compiling firefox, I've downloaded the pre-built version of 
firefox nightly, and then I allow daily updates to do the updating to 
newer versions etc.

regards,
Steve

[Stephen Morris]

On 14/12/24 09:16, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 13/12/24 09:40, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 22:22:43 +0000
> > Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:38:30 +1100
> > > "Stephen Morris" wrote:
> > > > On 13/12/24 07:18, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:40:44 -0800
> > > > > "ToddAndMargo via users" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/25/24 16:59, Tim via users wrote:
> > > > > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://mail.proton.me/u/0/all-mail/o4da3Tlhne-ORwaJYsVRoxzBZj3Qm8rbjFjY124k...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://okusno.je/recept/dusen-regrat-z-jajci
> >
> > Same with safe mode. So no extensions etc....
>
> At what point does the second site fail for you? I didn't activate the 
> translation and I can click on links in the page without any issues. 
> I'm also not compiling firefox, I've downloaded the pre-built version 
> of firefox nightly, and then I allow daily updates to do the updating 
> to newer versions etc.
>
> regards,
> Steve

I tried the second site with Chrome and it seems to work fine in that 
browse too, although I did find with Chrome I had to attempt the 
translation twice because the first time failed to translate.

regards,
Steve

[Bob Marčan]

On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:16:46 +1100
"Stephen Morris"  wrote:
> >
>
> At what point does the second site fail for you? I didn't activate the translation and I can click on links in the page without any issues. I'm also not compiling firefox, I've downloaded the pre-built version of firefox nightly, and then I allow daily updates to do the updating to newer versions etc.
>
> regards,
> Steve

It is Fedora, it is packaged, so i use the official rpm version.
With palemoon browser both sites works flawlesly.
So, te problem is firefox.
Last 3 or 4 versions, before was worked.
The palemoon is also built and installed with RPM.
BR

[Tim]

Tim:
> > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox

ToddAndMargo:
> It is medical sites were patients look up their medical
> records and Recreational Vehicles campgrounds.  And a few
> government sites.

I'm sure there are sites that fail in some browsers, I've seen plenty
that do in various ways (some just randomly crash and work the next
time).  And two links in the subsequent mail worked okay when I just
tried them, now.

But, for me, it's been cases of crap site is bad on everything.  I was
just countering the "there's a lot of sites that fail with Firefox"
argument.  Generally it's shite sites, not the browsers.

I remember the early days of "this site designed for..." issues that
continually reared their ugly heads because the title of "webmaster"
was generally unearned.  And sites that failed because they did a
stupid test on your browser that was actually unrelated to the ability
needed (usually some bogus JavaScript function).  And I have appliances
in the house that require specific versions of three different browsers
that were outdated two years before the appliance was bought, so their
web interfaces are completely unusable.

These days it's commonly down to a site, almost any site, dredging in a
dozen or more scripts to add features to a page, bogging down the
browser with badly written code.  My CPUs (plural) should not be
running flat chat and getting hot to use a shopping site.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/12/24 16:03, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> > > I've yet to find a site that doesn't work on Firefox
>
> ToddAndMargo:
> > It is medical sites were patients look up their medical
> > records and Recreational Vehicles campgrounds.  And a few
> > government sites.
>
> I'm sure there are sites that fail in some browsers, I've seen plenty
> that do in various ways (some just randomly crash and work the next
> time).  And two links in the subsequent mail worked okay when I just
> tried them, now.
>
> But, for me, it's been cases of crap site is bad on everything.  I was
> just countering the "there's a lot of sites that fail with Firefox"
> argument.  Generally it's shite sites, not the browsers.
>
> I remember the early days of "this site designed for..." issues that
> continually reared their ugly heads because the title of "webmaster"
> was generally unearned.  And sites that failed because they did a
> stupid test on your browser that was actually unrelated to the ability
> needed (usually some bogus JavaScript function).  And I have appliances
> in the house that require specific versions of three different browsers
> that were outdated two years before the appliance was bought, so their
> web interfaces are completely unusable.
>
> These days it's commonly down to a site, almost any site, dredging in a
> dozen or more scripts to add features to a page, bogging down the
> browser with badly written code.  My CPUs (plural) should not be
> running flat chat and getting hot to use a shopping site.

I install both Firefox and Brave Browser on my customer's
computers.  I tell them is one does not work, use the
other.  And get use to using both of them.

oh ya. 1+ on the crap web sites.

[Bob Marčan]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:02:33 -0800
"ToddAndMargo via users"  wrote:
> oh ya. 1+ on the crap web sites.

oh ya. 2+ on the crap web sites AND browsers.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/13/24 01:07, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:02:33 -0800
> "ToddAndMargo via users"  wrote:
> > oh ya. 1+ on the crap web sites.
>
> oh ya. 2+ on the crap web sites AND browsers.

The worst browser I have come across is Midori

[Tim]

On Fri, 2024-12-13 at 02:58 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> The worst browser I have come across is Midori

With noscript running, all I see of their own website was a white page
with a spinning wait while we load graphic...  Once I allowed
scripting, I saw a basic pretty useless website.  Harrumph!

I probably tried it in the past.

Usually I'd say the worse browser was MSIE (pronounce "misery").

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/13/24 16:16, Tim via users wrote:
> Usually I'd say the worse browser was MSIE (pronounce "misery").

The "ActiveX" that went with misery was responsible
for a lot of virus infections.

[Tim]

Tim:
> > Usually I'd say the worse browser was MSIE (pronounce "misery").

ToddAndMargo:
> The "ActiveX" that went with misery was responsible for a lot of
> virus infections.

I'm not in the least surprised.  The concept of "don't trust random
things" just isn't in their head (the programmers and the users).

And it's not just deliberately malicious things, there's an awful lot
of incompetently programmed things.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/23/24 10:35, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 02:43:08 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Fedora 41
> > thunderbird-128.4.3-1.fc41.x86_64
> > firefox-132.0.1-2.fc41.x86_64
> >
> > Since upgrading from Fedora 39 to Fedora 41,
> > when I go into
> > --> Firefox -> File -> eMail link
> >
> > I get told that Thunderbird is already running,
> > which it is.
>
> The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing.

--> Open Xfce 4.18
    --> open Thunderbird
      --> open Firefox to any link
        --> File
           --> eMail link
> Simply installing
> thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> compose window each time.

[Tim]

On Sat, 2024-11-23 at 19:35 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> compose window each time.

Not actually *using* Thunderbird, here, but occasionally try it out... 
Does it make any difference if Thunderbird was already open when you
clicked on an email link?

Mail programs are one of those applications which once started often
stay loitering around in the background to some degree, even when you
close the program's main interface window.

I use Evolution, and speaking of weird bugs, I remember (ages ago) that
if I clicked on a mailto link in a webpage I'd get a compose window pop
up, I could write an email and send it, but it never kept a copy of the
sent mail.  I learnt to open Evolution, and leave it in the background,
before clicking any mailto links.  It did keep a "sent" copy, that way.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 14:46 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Sat, 2024-11-23 at 19:35 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > The exact steps on how to reproduce it are missing. Simply installing
> > thunderbird, then configuring GNOME Shell default apps to let thunderbird
> > handle email doesn't suffice. The firefox menu opens a thunderbird
> > compose window each time.
>
> Not actually *using* Thunderbird, here, but occasionally try it out... 
> Does it make any difference if Thunderbird was already open when you
> clicked on an email link?
>
> Mail programs are one of those applications which once started often
> stay loitering around in the background to some degree, even when you
> close the program's main interface window.
>
> I use Evolution, and speaking of weird bugs, I remember (ages ago) that
> if I clicked on a mailto link in a webpage I'd get a compose window pop
> up, I could write an email and send it, but it never kept a copy of the
> sent mail.  I learnt to open Evolution, and leave it in the background,
> before clicking any mailto links.  It did keep a "sent" copy, that way.

FWIW: Evolution has multiple parts (try 'pgrep evolution' to see them).
Simply quitting the GUI will not shut it down. I'm sure you know this,
but if you really want to to stop it you should use 'evolution --force-
shutdown' from the command line.

poc

[Tim]

On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 10:55 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> FWIW: Evolution has multiple parts (try 'pgrep evolution' to see them).
> Simply quitting the GUI will not shut it down. I'm sure you know this,
> but if you really want to to stop it you should use 'evolution --force-
> shutdown' from the command line.

Yes.  I have had to force it to quit sometimes.  It doesn't always
handle things gracefully if it can't access one of the mail servers.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 23:42 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Sun, 2024-11-24 at 10:55 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > FWIW: Evolution has multiple parts (try 'pgrep evolution' to see them).
> > Simply quitting the GUI will not shut it down. I'm sure you know this,
> > but if you really want to to stop it you should use 'evolution --force-
> > shutdown' from the command line.
>
> Yes.  I have had to force it to quit sometimes.  It doesn't always
> handle things gracefully if it can't access one of the mail servers.

Try taking it offline and on again (connection icon in the lower left
corner).

poc

[Tim]

Tim:
> > Yes.  I have had to force it to quit sometimes.  It doesn't always
> > handle things gracefully if it can't access one of the mail servers.

Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Try taking it offline and on again (connection icon in the lower left
> corner).

Tried that, too.  But when it gets in a bad mood, it needs a big stick.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 17:38 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> Tim:
> > > Yes.  I have had to force it to quit sometimes.  It doesn't always
> > > handle things gracefully if it can't access one of the mail servers.
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
> > Try taking it offline and on again (connection icon in the lower left
> > corner).
>
> Tried that, too.  But when it gets in a bad mood, it needs a big stick.

That used to happen quite a lot in the bad old days, but I can't even
remember the last time I saw it.

poc