latex2html

[Neal Becker]

Thanks so much for including latex2html!

Just 1 problem.  It's japanese!!!

/usr/bin/latex2html is actually jlatex2html (it has a japanese patch).

I figured out how to fix titles back to english, but dates are still in
japanese.

<rant>
OK, if you take a prominent package, and patch it, and then install it
replacing the original package, you are obligated to clearly document how
to restore the orignal behavior.  It appears this japanese patch isn't
documented at all.
<\rant>

Anyone know how to fix this?

[Tim Waugh]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:37:47AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote:
> Thanks so much for including latex2html!
>
> Just 1 problem.  It's japanese!!!
>
> /usr/bin/latex2html is actually jlatex2html (it has a japanese patch).
>
> I figured out how to fix titles back to english, but dates are still in
> japanese.
>
> <rant>
> OK, if you take a prominent package, and patch it, and then install it
> replacing the original package, you are obligated to clearly document how
> to restore the orignal behavior.  It appears this japanese patch isn't
> documented at all.
> <\rant>
>
> Anyone know how to fix this?

This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?

Please file a bug report in bugzilla so that we can track this issue
properly.

Thanks,
Tim.
*/

[Ed Hill]

On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 10:03, Tim Waugh wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 08:37:47AM -0400, Neal D. Becker wrote:
> > Thanks so much for including latex2html!
> >
> > Just 1 problem.  It's japanese!!!
> >
> > /usr/bin/latex2html is actually jlatex2html (it has a japanese patch).
> >
> > I figured out how to fix titles back to english, but dates are still in
> > japanese.
> >
> > <rant>
> > OK, if you take a prominent package, and patch it, and then install it
> > replacing the original package, you are obligated to clearly document how
> > to restore the orignal behavior.  It appears this japanese patch isn't
> > documented at all.
> > <\rant>
> >
> > Anyone know how to fix this?
>
> This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
> of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?

Hi Tim,

Yes, I agree that latex2html users are few in number.  But does that
make us worthless?  I hope not!  ;-)
> Please file a bug report in bugzilla so that we can track this issue
> properly.

OK, I just submitted:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=127010

and am now building tetex-2.0.2-14 from the SRPM without some of the JA
patches and/or with slightly modified versions of the JA patches (so
that they don't *DEFAULT* to Japanese).

If I can get any better results, I will be sure to forward the patches.

Thank you for your time!

Ed

[Tim Waugh]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:13:29PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> > This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
> > of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Yes, I agree that latex2html users are few in number.  But does that
> make us worthless?  I hope not!  ;-)

My point was more that perhaps latex2html users don't use the
latex2html that we actually ship, but a different version.
> If I can get any better results, I will be sure to forward the patches.

Great, thanks for helping out!

Tim.
*/

[Tom Mitchell]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:13:29PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> > > This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
> > > of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > Yes, I agree that latex2html users are few in number.  But does that
> > make us worthless?  I hope not!  ;-)
>
> My point was more that perhaps latex2html users don't use the
> latex2html that we actually ship, but a different version.

Most likely.  The TuG (TeX User Group) has been distributing
multi CD sets of all the TeX family of tools.

http://tug.org/

Most of the serious TeX and LaTeX folk use bits on The Comprehensive
TeX Archive Network (CTAN)

http://tug.org/ctan.html

[George N. White III]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Nifty Hat Mitch wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:13:29PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> > > > This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
> > > > of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?
> > >
> > > Hi Tim,
> > >
> > > Yes, I agree that latex2html users are few in number.  But does that
> > > make us worthless?  I hope not!  ;-)
> >
> > My point was more that perhaps latex2html users don't use the
> > latex2html that we actually ship, but a different version.

Or even a completely different application such as TeX4ht.  In general,
the TeX distributions that have shipped with linux distros have
lagged behind the popular Win32 distros (fpTeX and MikTeX).
> Most likely.  The TuG (TeX User Group) has been distributing
> multi CD sets of all the TeX family of tools.
>
> http://tug.org/
>
> Most of the serious TeX and LaTeX folk use bits on The Comprehensive
> TeX Archive Network (CTAN)
>
> http://tug.org/ctan.html

The TeX Live distribution from TuG includes TeX4ht.  Anyone can download
the .iso images -- there are 3 versions:

1.  "demo" version that runs from the CD on the most popular platforms
     with the most popular packages
2.  "install" CD with compressed binaries for more platforms
3.  "live" ready to run DVD image with everything

The unix code in TeX Live is based on teTeX.  The TeX Live distro
provides statically linked binaries that will run on most linux platforms.
If you stick to the standard directory structure all you need to do is
put the TeX tree somewhere on your filesystems and add the appropriate
bin directory to your path.  For example, you can mount the DVD image 
via the loop device, e.g., on /usr/TeX.

--
George N. White III  
   Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada

[Tom Mitchell]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 07:59:45AM -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Nifty Hat Mitch wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Tim Waugh wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 01:13:29PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> > > > > This is the first time I've even heard of this problem.  An indicator
> > > > > of the size of the userbase for the latex2html we ship?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I agree that latex2html users are few in number.  But does that
> > > > make us worthless?  I hope not!  ;-)
> > >
> > > My point was more that perhaps latex2html users don't use the
> > > latex2html that we actually ship, but a different version.
>
> Or even a completely different application such as TeX4ht.  In general,
> the TeX distributions that have shipped with linux distros have
> lagged behind the popular Win32 distros (fpTeX and MikTeX).
> > Most likely.  The TuG (TeX User Group) has been distributing
> > multi CD sets of all the TeX family of tools.
> >
> > http://tug.org/
> >
> > Most of the serious TeX and LaTeX folk use bits on The Comprehensive
> > TeX Archive Network (CTAN)
> >
> > http://tug.org/ctan.html
>
> The TeX Live distribution from TuG includes TeX4ht.  Anyone can download
> the .iso images -- there are 3 versions:
> "demo" version that runs from the CD on the most popular platforms
> with the most popular packages
> "install" CD with compressed binaries for more platforms
> "live" ready to run DVD image with everything
>
> The unix code in TeX Live is based on teTeX.  The TeX Live distro
> provides statically linked binaries that will run on most linux platforms.
> If you stick to the standard directory structure all you need to do is
> put the TeX tree somewhere on your filesystems and add the appropriate
> bin directory to your path.  For example, you can mount the DVD image 
> via the loop device, e.g., on /usr/TeX.

Thanks George,

I should also mention that folks should look in their local library
for the set of five books that Don Knuth put together for TeX,
MetaFont and Computer Modern Type Faces.  Of the five volumes
programmers should read:

Computers & Typesetting, Volume B: TeX: The Program

It is amazing, the way he designed and applied tools and his raw
intellect to solve a serious complex problem in an artful way.
Also interesting is the inverse of Larry Walls kitchen sink logic
verses Knuths choice of a pruned version of Pascal (Pascal-H).

Much of the content for the book is public and on the net so those
without the budget or a a good library are not locked out.  Heck it is
all out there.

Knuth has made world class contributions to the art of computer
programming and his TeX is one of the landmark open source
contributions.  Check out his use of the word 'web'.

See also: "Art of Computer Programming, Volume 1,2,3"

--
    T o m  M i t c h e l l 
    /dev/null the ultimate in secure storage.

[Ed Hill]

On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 08:37, Neal D. Becker wrote:
> Thanks so much for including latex2html!
>
> Just 1 problem.  It's japanese!!!
>
> /usr/bin/latex2html is actually jlatex2html (it has a japanese patch).
>
> I figured out how to fix titles back to english, but dates are still in
> japanese.
>
> <rant>
> OK, if you take a prominent package, and patch it, and then install it
> replacing the original package, you are obligated to clearly document how
> to restore the orignal behavior.  It appears this japanese patch isn't
> documented at all.
> <\rant>
>
> Anyone know how to fix this?

Hi Neal,

I've also been struggling, on and off, with latex2HTML.  The version of
it and netpbm that shipped with Red Hat 9 worked beautifully but all the
Fedora versions that I've tried have been somewhere between buggy and
awful.

Your post prompted me to dig into the tetex SRPM which includes numerous
latex2html packages that produce default japanese output as you've
pointed out.  So I'm working on an alternate tetex SRPM that doesn't
include all the japanese junk.  I'm building and testing it right now
and I'll post a link as soon as I have a working version.

Ed

[Tim Waugh]

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 12:19:25PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> I've also been struggling, on and off, with latex2HTML.  The version of
> it and netpbm that shipped with Red Hat 9 worked beautifully but all the
> Fedora versions that I've tried have been somewhere between buggy and
> awful.
>
> Your post prompted me to dig into the tetex SRPM which includes numerous
> latex2html packages that produce default japanese output as you've
> pointed out.  So I'm working on an alternate tetex SRPM that doesn't
> include all the japanese junk.  I'm building and testing it right now
> and I'll post a link as soon as I have a working version.

Please consider the more constructive alternative of fixing the
problems with the current Japanese patch.

I would absolutely love to see the Japanese support patches integrated
into all the upstream projects, but for some reason this rarely seems
to happen and so we get situations like this. :-((

Tim.
*/

[Ed Hill]

On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 12:47, Tim Waugh wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 12:19:25PM -0400, Ed Hill wrote:
> > I've also been struggling, on and off, with latex2HTML.  The version of
> > it and netpbm that shipped with Red Hat 9 worked beautifully but all the
> > Fedora versions that I've tried have been somewhere between buggy and
> > awful.
> >
> > Your post prompted me to dig into the tetex SRPM which includes numerous
> > latex2html packages that produce default japanese output as you've
> > pointed out.  So I'm working on an alternate tetex SRPM that doesn't
> > include all the japanese junk.  I'm building and testing it right now
> > and I'll post a link as soon as I have a working version.
>
> Please consider the more constructive alternative of fixing the
> problems with the current Japanese patch.

OK, I just (tried) to do that and, so far, got much better results from
our rather huge latex2html manual build:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=127010

Now to figure out why the grey backgrounds on the PNG images...

Ed