Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
Karl
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
What doesn't work? What's the output of:
# rpm -q ntfs-3g
Not loaded
# yum install ntfs-3g
Nothing to do.
Rahul
What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you the .devel file and load it. I am right now have my windows XP mounted to this F7 Linux for the first time.
Karl
Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
# yum install ntfs-3g
Nothing to do.
Rahul
What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you the .devel file and load it.
You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel is header files needed if you build something against it.
Rahul
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
# yum install ntfs-3g
Nothing to do.
Rahul
What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you the .devel file and load it.
You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel is header files needed if you build something against it.
Rahul
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl
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Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
# yum install ntfs-3g
Nothing to do.
Rahul
What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you the .devel file and load it.
Correction, you do not need the devel files to mount your Windows NTFS partitions onto your Linux OS. Just the ntfs-3g package (and ofcourse its associated fuse dependencies) will do the job.
If I recollect correctly, I did not have to install the packages separately, these were present in the default install (but I might be mistaken).
You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel is header files needed if you build something against it.
Rahul
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
No comments!
Karl
later, Rogue
Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
# yum install ntfs-3g
Nothing to do.
Rahul
What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you the .devel file and load it.
You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel is header files needed if you build something against it.
Rahul
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
You are still mistaken though. Remove the ntfs-3g-devel and the mounts would still work fine.
Rahul
Karl Larsen wrote:
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder.... Why don't you listen to what you are told by those who know. I know this is a "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen. If you don't understand, read it again! What you saw was not what you thought you saw. You remember what you want to remember.
If you don't believe me, do the following:
Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g packages. I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones contain the header files for development work. Just like Rahul tried to tell you! Sheesh!
Karl
Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder.... Why don't you listen to what you are told by those who know. I know this is a "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen. If you don't understand, read it again! What you saw was not what you thought you saw. You remember what you want to remember.
If you don't believe me, do the following:
Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g packages. I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones contain the header files for development work. Just like Rahul tried to tell you! Sheesh!
Karl
Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7 Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7 Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 [root@k5di log]#
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Karl
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder.... Why don't you listen to what you are told by those who know. I know this is a "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen. If you don't understand, read it again! What you saw was not what you thought you saw. You remember what you want to remember.
If you don't believe me, do the following:
Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g packages. I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones contain the header files for development work. Just like Rahul tried to tell you! Sheesh!
Karl
Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7 Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7 Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 [root@k5di log]#
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Karl
That is because ntfs-3g had been installed previosuly. Please don't get involved in the name calling.
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On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 16:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder.... Why don't you listen to what you are told by those who know. I know this is a "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen. If you don't understand, read it again! What you saw was not what you thought you saw. You remember what you want to remember.
If you don't believe me, do the following:
Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g packages. I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones contain the header files for development work. Just like Rahul tried to tell you! Sheesh!
Karl
Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7 Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7 Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 [root@k5di log]#
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Karl
That is because ntfs-3g had been installed previosuly. Please don't get involved in the name calling.
Are we going to have to separate you guys? Children, please!
Note that Karl may be simply laboring under a misconception. The record may not be in yum.log. Also check ~root/install.log. In my case, it was installed when I set up the system, not via yum:
[root@bigdog ~]# grep ntfs install.log* install.log:Installing ntfsprogs - 1.13.1-3.fc6.x86_64 install.log:Installing ntfsprogs - 1.13.1-3.fc6.i386 install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.x86_64 <<<---- install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.i386 <<<----
Yes, it's an Opteron and yes, it has 32-bit code on it as well as 64-bit.
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On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
No assuming necessary. Your statement is definitely incorrect.
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Is there something in the water there in New Mexico? If you said your car didn't run until you installed the passenger-side mirror, we would be a bit incredulous as well.
Try this:
$ yum list *ntfs-3g*
You will see something like:
Available Packages ntfs-3g.x86_64 2:1.516-1.fc6 extras ntfs-3g-devel.x86_64 2:1.516-1.fc6 extras
Except in your case they will probably say "installed" in the third column. People who've been on the list know this because we are aware that by standard package naming conventions, if "package" provides a capability then "package-devel" provides header files for programmers to include that capability in their programs.
This is really how it works, and it's why we all know you are wrong. ntfs-3g-devel does not provide the ability to mount NTFS partitions, ntfs-3g does.
Joining the list and being ignorant is one thing; being ignorant while calling everyone else ignorant is another. On second thought, it's sort of comical.
Please: Stop, listen, understand, and then speak. Before understanding, ask.
We're here to help. Really. But you're making it very hard to do.
Alan M. Evans wrote:
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
No assuming necessary. Your statement is definitely incorrect.
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Is there something in the water there in New Mexico? If you said your car didn't run until you installed the passenger-side mirror, we would be a bit incredulous as well.
Try this:
$ yum list \*ntfs-3g\*You will see something like:
Available Packages ntfs-3g.x86_64 2:1.516-1.fc6 extras ntfs-3g-devel.x86_64 2:1.516-1.fc6 extrasExcept in your case they will probably say "installed" in the third column. People who've been on the list know this because we are aware that by standard package naming conventions, if "package" provides a capability then "package-devel" provides header files for programmers to include that capability in their programs.
This is really how it works, and it's why we all know you are wrong. ntfs-3g-devel does not provide the ability to mount NTFS partitions, ntfs-3g does.
Joining the list and being ignorant is one thing; being ignorant while calling everyone else ignorant is another. On second thought, it's sort of comical.
Please: Stop, listen, understand, and then speak. Before understanding, ask.
We're here to help. Really. But you're making it very hard to do.
Why didn't you send this this morning? When it would have made a real difference? Now your just proving what I proved myself an hour ago. Not in just the way you did it either.
Karl
Karl Larsen wrote:
Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor stupid.
Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder.... Why don't you listen to what you are told by those who know. I know this is a "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen. If you don't understand, read it again! What you saw was not what you thought you saw. You remember what you want to remember.
If you don't believe me, do the following:
Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g packages. I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones contain the header files for development work. Just like Rahul tried to tell you! Sheesh!
Karl
Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7 Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7 Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 [root@k5di log]#
Nowhere does it say when you installed ntfs-3g. When *did* you install ntfs-3g?
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
No, you are wrong! You don't understand HOW mounting works on Linux. You are using BAD scientific method. You are looking at results instead of looking at the process.
WHEN you type mount -t nfts ...... (or when you put a line in your /etc/fstab, and run mount -a like is done in /etc/rc.sysinit when your system boots)
the mount command runs. It looks at its command line arguments and sees that you are trying to mount an NFTS filesystem. mount knows nothing about how to mount an NTFS filesystem. It instead invokes *another* tool to do the work for it. This tool is called mount.ntfs and it lives in the /sbin directory. And it you quesry RPM for it:
rpm -qf /sbin/mount.ntfs
you'll find that it comes from the ntfs-3g RPM. *NOT* from the ntfs-3g-devel RPM.
In fact, here is the file list from my (FC6) ntfs-3g-devel RPM:
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13556 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/attrib.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1745 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/attrlist.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2568 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/bitmap.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1591 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/bootsect.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1380 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/collate.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1506 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/compat.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1189 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/compress.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1549 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/debug.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4831 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/device.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2064 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/device_io.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3495 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/dir.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6711 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/endians.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4927 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/index.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6711 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/inode.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 108363 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/layout.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1732 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/lcnalloc.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5217 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/list.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16361 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/logfile.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5520 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/logging.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4426 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/mft.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1295 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/mst.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2397 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/ntfstime.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3138 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/runlist.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1978 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/security.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2268 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/support.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3009 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/types.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2596 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/unistr.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1120 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/version.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8362 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/volume.h lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 15 21:19 /usr/lib/libntfs-3g.so -> libntfs-3g.so.2.0.0
There is *NOT* 1 single executable file in this package anywheres! Please Karl, GET A CLUE!
Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
Karl, you really need to take a step back and look at yourself. It really is sad to see someone exclaim so vehemently that they are right when they are so wrong. I'm beginning to wonder it you have some kind of problem. I've watched you post messages here for a couple of months now, and you're getting worse all the time. Why is it that so many other people seem to get along just fine and you have this problem with so many of them?
Karl
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 03:38:48PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7 Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7 Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 [root@k5di log]#
I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am NOT!
Belay the name calling, all of you.
Karl, the reason it works might be because the base package was installed when you installed Linux:
[root@taltos ~]# grep ntfs-3g * install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.i386
Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com writes:
this is from /var/log/yum.log:
This is not a good way to list installed packages, as it only lists those packages installed by Yum after the system was installed. Packages installed during system installation are listed in /root/install.log.
Anyway, if you want to list all installed packages, there are a couple of ways.
% rpm -qa
or
% yum list installed
To search for just a specific package or groups of packages, you could use
% rpm -qa | grep -i package-name
or
% yum list installed | grep -i package-name
To see all packages, installed or not, use
% yum list all
Regards Ingemar
Around 02:04pm on Friday, August 03, 2007 (UK time), Ingemar Nilsson scrawled:
% yum list installed | grep -i package-name
yum list installed "*foo*" is even better as this shows other messages from yum while restricting it to just packages containing foo.
Steve
Karl Larsen
this is from /var/log/yum.log:
Ingemar Nilsson:
This is not a good way to list installed packages, as it only lists those packages installed by Yum after the system was installed. Packages installed during system installation are listed in /root/install.log.
Anyway, if you want to list all installed packages, there are a couple of ways.
% rpm -qa
or
% yum list installed
Or, /var/log/rpmpkgs has a listing of all the packages currently installed, and it's somewhat quicker to get a result than the two ways above. Plus, the /root/install.log can only be read by root, and can include things that have since been uninstalled. Likewise, neither the yumlog nor install log would show RPMs installed by directly using the rpm command.
/me sits back and waits for someone else to come up with yet another way... ;-)
On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and itdoesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
'yum whatprovides ntfs-3g' returns:
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc6 extras Matched from: ntfs-3g
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 fedora Matched from: ntfs-3g
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 installed Matched from: Provides-match: ntfs-3g
Paul
Paul Smith wrote:
On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and itdoesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
'yum whatprovides ntfs-3g' returns:
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc6 extras Matched from: ntfs-3g
Since this is an Extras repository and Fedora 7 has all packages combined in one repository, should Extras be disabled or removed. It probably is a hangover from FC6.
At least it appears you have the right version installed.
Jim
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 fedora Matched from: ntfs-3g
ntfs-3g.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7 installed Matched from: Provides-match: ntfs-3g
Paul
El Viernes, 20 de Julio de 2007 21:32, Karl Larsen escribió:
Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and itdoesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
Hi Karl,
"doesn't work" is not a good error output, could you be more clear?