ntfs-3g

[Karl Larsen]

Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it 
doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?

Karl

[Rahul Sundaram]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it 
> doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?

What doesn't work? What's the output of:

# rpm -q ntfs-3g
# yum install ntfs-3g

Rahul

[Karl Larsen]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
> > Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it 
> > doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
>
> What doesn't work? What's the output of:
> # rpm -q ntfs-3g

Not loaded
> # yum install ntfs-3g

Nothing to do.
> Rahul

What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you 
the .devel file and load it. I am right now have my windows XP mounted 
to this F7 Linux for the first time.

Karl

[Rahul Sundaram]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > # yum install ntfs-3g
>
> Nothing to do.
> > Rahul
>
> What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get you 
> the .devel file and load it.

You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel is 
header files needed if you build something against it.

Rahul

[Karl Larsen]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > # yum install ntfs-3g
> >
> > Nothing to do.
> > > Rahul
> >
> > What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get 
> > you the .devel file and load it.
>
> You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel 
> is header files needed if you build something against it.
>
> Rahul

I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor 
stupid.

Karl

[Rogue]

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Karl Larsen wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Karl Larsen wrote:
> > > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > > # yum install ntfs-3g
> > >
> > > Nothing to do.
> > > > Rahul
> > >
> > > What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get
> > > you the .devel file and load it.

Correction, you do not need the devel files to mount your Windows NTFS
partitions onto your Linux OS. Just the ntfs-3g package (and ofcourse
its associated fuse dependencies) will do the job.

If I recollect correctly, I did not have to install the packages
separately, these were present in the default install (but I might be
mistaken).
> > You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel
> > is header files needed if you build something against it.
> >
> > Rahul
>
> I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> stupid.

No comments!
> Karl

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Karl Larsen wrote:
> > > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > > # yum install ntfs-3g
> > >
> > > Nothing to do.
> > > > Rahul
> > >
> > > What you have to do Rahul is yum install *ntfs-3g* and it will get 
> > > you the .devel file and load it.
> >
> > You are mistaken. ntfs-3g package is required to mount. ntfs-3g-devel 
> > is header files needed if you build something against it.
> >
> > Rahul
>
> I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor 
> stupid.

You are still mistaken though. Remove the ntfs-3g-devel and the mounts 
would still work fine.

Rahul

[Kevin Cummings]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> stupid.

Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder....  Why don't
you listen to what you are told by those who know.  I know this is a
"users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen.
If you don't understand, read it again!  What you saw was not what you
thought you saw.  You remember what you want to remember.

If you don't believe me, do the following:

Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g
packages.  I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.

You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable
files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones
contain the header files for development work.  Just like Rahul tried to
tell you!  Sheesh!
> Karl

[Karl Larsen]

Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
> > I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> > stupid.
>
> Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder....  Why don't
> you listen to what you are told by those who know.  I know this is a
> "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen.
> If you don't understand, read it again!  What you saw was not what you
> thought you saw.  You remember what you want to remember.
>
> If you don't believe me, do the following:
>
> Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g
> packages.  I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
>
> You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable
> files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones
> contain the header files for development work.  Just like Rahul tried to
> tell you!  Sheesh!
> > Karl

Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:

Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7
Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7
Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7
[root@k5di log]#

I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
NOT!

Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)

Karl

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> > Karl Larsen wrote:
> > > I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> > > stupid.
> >
> > Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder....  Why don't
> > you listen to what you are told by those who know.  I know this is a
> > "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen.
> > If you don't understand, read it again!  What you saw was not what you
> > thought you saw.  You remember what you want to remember.
> >
> > If you don't believe me, do the following:
> >
> > Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g
> > packages.  I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
> >
> > You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable
> > files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones
> > contain the header files for development work.  Just like Rahul tried to
> > tell you!  Sheesh!
> > > Karl
> Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
>
> Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7
> Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7
> Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7
> [root@k5di log]#
>
> I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
> work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
> NOT!
>
> Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
>
> Karl

That is because ntfs-3g had been installed previosuly. Please don't get
involved in the name calling.

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[Rick Stevens]

On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 16:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> > Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> > > Karl Larsen wrote:
> > > > I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> > > > stupid.
> > >
> > > Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder....  Why don't
> > > you listen to what you are told by those who know.  I know this is a
> > > "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen.
> > > If you don't understand, read it again!  What you saw was not what you
> > > thought you saw.  You remember what you want to remember.
> > >
> > > If you don't believe me, do the following:
> > >
> > > Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g
> > > packages.  I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
> > >
> > > You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable
> > > files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones
> > > contain the header files for development work.  Just like Rahul tried to
> > > tell you!  Sheesh!
> > > > Karl
> > Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
> >
> > Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7
> > Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7
> > Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7
> > [root@k5di log]#
> >
> > I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
> > work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
> > NOT!
> >
> > Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
> >
> > Karl
>
> That is because ntfs-3g had been installed previosuly. Please don't get
> involved in the name calling.

Are we going to have to separate you guys?  Children, please!

Note that Karl may be simply laboring under a misconception.  The record
may not be in yum.log.  Also check ~root/install.log.  In my case, it
was installed when I set up the system, not via yum:

[root@bigdog ~]# grep ntfs install.log*
install.log:Installing ntfsprogs - 1.13.1-3.fc6.x86_64
install.log:Installing ntfsprogs - 1.13.1-3.fc6.i386
install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.x86_64   <<<----
install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.i386     <<<----

Yes, it's an Opteron and yes, it has 32-bit code on it as well as
64-bit.

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[Alan M. Evans]

On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
> work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
> NOT!

No assuming necessary. Your statement is definitely incorrect.
> Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)

Is there something in the water there in New Mexico? If you said your
car didn't run until you installed the passenger-side mirror, we would
be a bit incredulous as well.

Try this:

$ yum list *ntfs-3g*

You will see something like:

Available Packages
        ntfs-3g.x86_64                           2:1.516-1.fc6          extras
        ntfs-3g-devel.x86_64                     2:1.516-1.fc6          extras

Except in your case they will probably say "installed" in the third
column. People who've been on the list know this because we are aware
that by standard package naming conventions, if "package" provides a
capability then "package-devel" provides header files for programmers to
include that capability in their programs.

This is really how it works, and it's why we all know you are wrong.
ntfs-3g-devel does not provide the ability to mount NTFS partitions,
ntfs-3g does.

Joining the list and being ignorant is one thing; being ignorant while
calling everyone else ignorant is another. On second thought, it's sort
of comical.

Please: Stop, listen, understand, and then speak. Before understanding,
ask.

We're here to help. Really. But you're making it very hard to do.

[Karl Larsen]

Alan M. Evans wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:38 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> > I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
> > work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
> > NOT!
>
> No assuming necessary. Your statement is definitely incorrect.
> > Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)
>
> Is there something in the water there in New Mexico? If you said your
> car didn't run until you installed the passenger-side mirror, we would
> be a bit incredulous as well.
>
> Try this:
>     $ yum list \*ntfs-3g\*
>
> You will see something like:
>     Available Packages
>     ntfs-3g.x86_64                           2:1.516-1.fc6          extras
>     ntfs-3g-devel.x86_64                     2:1.516-1.fc6          extras
>
> Except in your case they will probably say "installed" in the third
> column. People who've been on the list know this because we are aware
> that by standard package naming conventions, if "package" provides a
> capability then "package-devel" provides header files for programmers to
> include that capability in their programs.
>
> This is really how it works, and it's why we all know you are wrong.
> ntfs-3g-devel does not provide the ability to mount NTFS partitions,
> ntfs-3g does.
>
> Joining the list and being ignorant is one thing; being ignorant while
> calling everyone else ignorant is another. On second thought, it's sort
> of comical.
>
> Please: Stop, listen, understand, and then speak. Before understanding,
> ask.
>
> We're here to help. Really. But you're making it very hard to do.

Why didn't you send this this morning? When it would have made a real 
difference? Now your just proving what I proved myself an hour ago. Not 
in just the way you did it either.

Karl

[Kevin Cummings]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> > Karl Larsen wrote:
> > > I watched it and said Y and saw it load a devel file. I am not blind nor
> > > stupid.
> >
> > Karl there are those of here who are starting to wonder....  Why don't
> > you listen to what you are told by those who know.  I know this is a
> > "users" list, but when a developer tells you something, please listen.
> > If you don't understand, read it again!  What you saw was not what you
> > thought you saw.  You remember what you want to remember.
> >
> > If you don't believe me, do the following:
> >
> > Look at your yum.log and see when you installed the various ntfs-3g
> > packages.  I'll bet that ntfs-3g got install when you weren't looking.
> >
> > You can also list the packages to see which one contain the executable
> > files necessary to actually mount an ntfs filesystem, and which ones
> > contain the header files for development work.  Just like Rahul tried to
> > tell you!  Sheesh!
> > > Karl
>
> Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
>
> Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7
> Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7
> Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7
> [root@k5di log]#

Nowhere does it say when you installed ntfs-3g.  When *did* you install
ntfs-3g?
> I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs
> work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am
> NOT!

No, you are wrong!  You don't understand HOW mounting works on Linux.
You are using BAD scientific method.  You are looking at results instead
of looking at the process.

WHEN you type mount -t nfts ......
(or when you put a line in your /etc/fstab, and run mount -a like is
done in /etc/rc.sysinit when your system boots)

the mount command runs.  It looks at its command line arguments and sees
that you are trying to mount an NFTS filesystem.  mount knows nothing
about how to mount an NTFS filesystem.  It instead invokes *another*
tool to do the work for it.  This tool is called mount.ntfs and it lives
in the /sbin directory.  And it you quesry RPM for it:

rpm -qf /sbin/mount.ntfs

you'll find that it comes from the ntfs-3g RPM.  *NOT* from the
ntfs-3g-devel RPM.

In fact, here is the file list from my (FC6) ntfs-3g-devel RPM:
> drwxr-xr-x    2 root    root                0 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root            13556 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/attrib.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1745 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/attrlist.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             2568 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/bitmap.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1591 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/bootsect.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1380 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/collate.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1506 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/compat.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1189 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/compress.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1549 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/debug.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             4831 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/device.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             2064 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/device_io.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             3495 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/dir.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             6711 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/endians.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             4927 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/index.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             6711 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/inode.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root           108363 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/layout.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1732 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/lcnalloc.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             5217 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/list.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root            16361 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/logfile.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             5520 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/logging.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             4426 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/mft.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1295 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/mst.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             2397 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/ntfstime.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             3138 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/runlist.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1978 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/security.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             2268 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/support.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             3009 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/types.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             2596 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/unistr.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             1120 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/version.h
> -rw-r--r--    1 root    root             8362 May 15 21:19 /usr/include/ntfs-3g/volume.h
> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root    root               19 May 15 21:19 /usr/lib/libntfs-3g.so -> libntfs-3g.so.2.0.0

There is *NOT* 1 single executable file in this package anywheres!
Please Karl, GET A CLUE!
> Lay off calling me stupid. Look at your self in a mirror :-)

Karl, you really need to take a step back and look at yourself.  It
really is sad to see someone exclaim so vehemently that they are right
when they are so wrong.  I'm beginning to wonder it you have some kind
of problem.  I've watched you post messages here for a couple of months
now, and you're getting worse all the time.  Why is it that so many
other people seem to get along just fine and you have this problem with
so many of them?
> Karl

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 03:38:48PM -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
> Well idiot children, this is from /var/log/yum.log:
>
> Jul 18 18:57:02 Installed: t1lib.i386 5.1.0-9.fc7
> Jul 18 18:57:17 Installed: pdfedit.i386 0.3.1-1.fc7
> Jul 20 13:41:56 Installed: ntfs-3g-devel.i386 2:1.516-1.fc7
> [root@k5di log]#
>
> I got that with yum install *ntfs-3g* and it DOES make my mount ntfs 
> work for the first time ever. You smart asses assume I am wrong and I am 
> NOT!

Belay the name calling, all of you.

Karl, the reason it works might be because the base package was
installed when you installed Linux:

[root@taltos ~]# grep ntfs-3g *
install.log:Installing ntfs-3g - 2:1.516-1.fc7.i386

[Ingemar Nilsson]

Karl Larsen  writes:
> this is from /var/log/yum.log:

This is not a good way to list installed packages, as it only lists those
packages installed by Yum after the system was installed. Packages
installed during system installation are listed in /root/install.log.

Anyway, if you want to list all installed packages, there are a couple of
ways.

% rpm -qa

or

% yum list installed

To search for just a specific package or groups of packages, you could use

% rpm -qa | grep -i package-name

or

% yum list installed | grep -i package-name

To see all packages, installed or not, use

% yum list all

Regards
Ingemar

[Steve Searle]

Around 02:04pm on Friday, August 03, 2007 (UK time), Ingemar Nilsson scrawled:
> % yum list installed | grep -i package-name

yum list installed "*foo*"
  is even better as this shows other messages from yum while restricting
  it to just packages containing foo.

Steve

[Tim]

Karl Larsen
> > this is from /var/log/yum.log:

Ingemar Nilsson:
> This is not a good way to list installed packages, as it only lists those
> packages installed by Yum after the system was installed. Packages
> installed during system installation are listed in /root/install.log.
>
> Anyway, if you want to list all installed packages, there are a couple of
> ways.
>
> % rpm -qa
>
> or
>
> % yum list installed

Or, /var/log/rpmpkgs has a listing of all the packages currently
installed, and it's somewhat quicker to get a result than the two ways
above.  Plus, the /root/install.log can only be read by root, and can
include things that have since been uninstalled.  Likewise, neither the
yumlog nor install log would show RPMs installed by directly using the
rpm command.

/me sits back and waits for someone else to come up with yet another
way...  ;-)

[Paul Smith]

On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen  wrote:
> Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it
>
> doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?

'yum whatprovides ntfs-3g' returns:

ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc6          extras
Matched from:
ntfs-3g

ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc7          fedora
Matched from:
ntfs-3g

ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc7          installed
Matched from:
Provides-match: ntfs-3g

Paul

[Jim Cornette]

Paul Smith wrote:
> On 7/20/07, Karl Larsen  wrote:
> > Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it
> >
> > doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?
>
> 'yum whatprovides ntfs-3g' returns:
>
> ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc6          extras
> Matched from:
> ntfs-3g

Since this is an Extras repository and Fedora 7 has all packages 
combined in one repository, should Extras be disabled or removed. It 
probably is a hangover from FC6.

At least it appears you have the right version installed.

Jim
> ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc7          fedora
> Matched from:
> ntfs-3g
>
> ntfs-3g.i386                             2:1.516-1.fc7          installed
> Matched from:
> Provides-match: ntfs-3g
>
> Paul

[Manuel Aróstegui]

El Viernes, 20 de Julio de 2007 21:32, Karl Larsen escribió:
> Someone said to get this software package so I tried yum and it
>
> doesn't work. I wonder is there another way required?

Hi Karl,

"doesn't work" is not a good error output, could you be more clear?