Oracle says open source has no place in military apps

[Mickey]

Oracle just won't quit.
Oracle is the one that charged ObamaCare $600 milion to setup a Website.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_source_has_no_place...

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Jim  wrote:
> Oracle just won't quit.

Hopefully they wont. I rely on Virtualbox and BTRFS and other Oracle funded
projects like OpenJDK.
> Oracle is the one that charged ObamaCare $600 milion to setup a Website.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_**
> source_has_no_place_in_**military_apps/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_source_has_no_place_in_military_apps/

Quoting from the same article "Overall, the paper is decently balanced,
raising real risks associated with software development even if its tone,
narrative and a section recounting problems with an open-source-based
health records program open source all suggest strongly that development
based on open source software is a silly idea for the DoD to contemplate."

And then pours some fuel by saying "The paper also contains more than a few
passages *The Reg* imagines might lead open source advocates to take issue."

Name me JUST ONE article from ElReg that praises Oracle for something, like
their investment in the Linux kernel, btrfs, OpenJDK, Netbeans, Glassfish
or MySql 5.7... my guess is you wont fine any.

Move along, nothing to see here...
FC

[Edward M]

On 10/16/2013 4:05 PM, Jim wrote:
> Oracle just won't quit.

Did not read the entire report but judging by the title, appears 
they're spreading FUD.
      Such to mention a few how open source is doing well in the 
military, Linux was selectedfor the United States Army Terminal High 
Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) program
      and NetBSD was used in NASA's SAMS II project; measuring the 
microgravity environment on the ISS.

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Edward Martinez  wrote:
>  Did not read the entire report but judging by the title, appears
>
> they're spreading FUD.
>      Such to mention a few how open source is doing well in the military,
> Linux was selectedfor the United States Army Terminal High Altitude Area
> Defense (THAAD) program
>      and NetBSD was used in NASA's SAMS II project; measuring the
> microgravity environment on the ISS.

Its not uncommon, I wrote recently about several examples of blatant FUD,
to the Apache Openoffice mailing list.

Oracle, like IBM is not a "pure open source" firm, but they, like IBM,
contribute A LOT both in terms of manpower and financially (developers
salaries) to FOSS projects. Now, Im a pragmatist, I applaud mixed-license
corporations when they invest in FOSS. The FOSS ecosystem is bigger, better
and of more quality with them than witout them. Without Oracle investing in
Btrfs, Linux wouldnt have a filesystem that can go head-to-head with
Microsoft's latest ReFS.

Without Oracle's traction neither SAP nor Apple nor AMD would have
contributed like they do, with OpenJDK. And Netbeans wouldn't have evolved
from a mostly-Java IDE to a terrific IDE also for PHP, C++ and now even
HTML5 development. And Oracle funded all this even des[ite having its own
closed source Java IDE, JDeveloper (which now, interestingly, has been
moved to run atop of the Netbeans engine, which is to say, Netbeans FOSS is
engulfing the previous closed source product).

Of course, like in any firm as big as IBM or Oracle, different product
divisions fight for their own sales turf. If you ask a IBM AIX sales or
support person what is best, Linux or Aix, Im sure tjeyll enumerate reasons
why Linux is a toy compared to Unix. Same within Oracle. But what I care
about is not what the devs of Oracle DB think but rather what the Oracle
Linux, MySQL, Virtualbox and OpenJDK devs *do*.

The rest is simply FUD... which I'm sure wont stop anytime soon, from
people too narrow minded that think that the FOSS ecosystem would be better
without Oracle (or IBM for that matter).

FC

[Roger]

On 10/17/2013 11:51 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Edward Martinez <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
>      Did not read the entire report but judging by the title,
> appears they're spreading FUD.
>      Such to mention a few how open source is doing well in the
> military, Linux was selectedfor the United States Army Terminal
> High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) program
>      and NetBSD was used in NASA's SAMS II project; measuring the
> microgravity environment on the ISS.
>
>
> Its not uncommon, I wrote recently about several examples of blatant 
> FUD, to the Apache Openoffice mailing list.
>
> Oracle, like IBM is not a "pure open source" firm, but they, like IBM, 
> contribute A LOT both in terms of manpower and financially (developers 
> salaries) to FOSS projects. Now, Im a pragmatist, I applaud 
> mixed-license corporations when they invest in FOSS. The FOSS 
> ecosystem is bigger, better and of more quality with them than witout 
> them. Without Oracle investing in Btrfs, Linux wouldnt have a 
> filesystem that can go head-to-head with Microsoft's latest ReFS.
>
> Without Oracle's traction neither SAP nor Apple nor AMD would have 
> contributed like they do, with OpenJDK. And Netbeans wouldn't have 
> evolved from a mostly-Java IDE to a terrific IDE also for PHP, C++ and 
> now even HTML5 development. And Oracle funded all this even des[ite 
> having its own closed source Java IDE, JDeveloper (which now, 
> interestingly, has been moved to run atop of the Netbeans engine, 
> which is to say, Netbeans FOSS is engulfing the previous closed source 
> product).
>
> Of course, like in any firm as big as IBM or Oracle, different product 
> divisions fight for their own sales turf. If you ask a IBM AIX sales 
> or support person what is best, Linux or Aix, Im sure tjeyll enumerate 
> reasons why Linux is a toy compared to Unix. Same within Oracle. But 
> what I care about is not what the devs of Oracle DB think but rather 
> what the Oracle Linux, MySQL, Virtualbox and OpenJDK devs *do*.
>
> The rest is simply FUD... which I'm sure wont stop anytime soon, from 
> people too narrow minded that think that the FOSS ecosystem would be 
> better without Oracle (or IBM for that matter).
>
> FC
>
> Very well considered and well written article

thank you.
Roger