pipewire and wireplumber

[Geoffrey Leach]

I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.

Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber somewhere? Or
should they 'just work' and I need to check my connections?

Thanks.

[Bob Marcan]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:07:27 -0700
Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
> I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
> previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.
>
> Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber somewhere? Or
> should they 'just work' and I need to check my connections?
>
> Thanks.

systemctl --user --now disable  wireplumber
works for me.
Obviously we are guinea pigs for this premature piece of software.

BR, Bob

[Geoffrey Leach]

I'm happy for you. For me, not so much :-(

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:53 PM Bob Marcan  wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:07:27 -0700
> Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
> > I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
> > previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.
> >
> > Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber somewhere?
>
> Or
> > should they 'just work' and I need to check my connections?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> systemctl --user --now disable  wireplumber
> works for me.
> Obviously we are guinea pigs for this premature piece of software.
>
> BR, Bob

[DJ Delorie]

Geoffrey Leach  writes:
> Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
> somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
> connections?

As a non-gnome (and non-display-manager) user, I share these .xsession
snippets:

# Required by pipewire, at least
export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=$(mktemp -d /tmp/$(id -u)-runtime-dir.XXX)

# Required by most things
eval `dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session`

pipewire &
pipewire-pulse &
(sleep 2 ; wireplumber & ) &

There wasn't a pipewire-specific config; it uses the same ALSA backend
as pulseaudio used.

[stan]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:07:27 -0700
Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
> I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
> previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.
>
> Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
> somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
> connections?

I'm successfully using wireplumber and pipewire in rawhide, since it
was f36. I think I had your issue as some point.  But, just like with
pulseaudio, it turned out to be that the default device was incorrect.
I used pavucontrol, still present though it is no longer pulseaudio
under the covers, and set the default device to the one I wanted, and
it has worked fine ever since.

There was a recent glitch with a wireplumber update that caused sound to
stop working, but it was fixed within a few days.

In summary, for me sound is just working with wireplumber and pipewire
replacing pulseaudio.  And, since it is inevitable that they are going
to replace pulseaudio, might as well bite the bullet and get them
working.  When replacing pulseaudio with pipewire, use the swap command,
dnf swap pulseaudio pipewire-pulseaudio

[Geoffrey Leach]

It appears that I should try rawhide. Short of removing the elevant
packages, is there anything else that I should know about making the
transition?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:59 AM stan via users <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:07:27 -0700
> Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
> > I've just installed Fedora 35 and have discovered to my dismay that
> > previously-working (not at all sophisticated) audio no longer works.
> >
> > Is there a 'Getting Started With pipewire' and/or wireplumber
> > somewhere? Or should they 'just work' and I need to check my
> > connections?
>
> I'm successfully using wireplumber and pipewire in rawhide, since it
> was f36. I think I had your issue as some point.  But, just like with
> pulseaudio, it turned out to be that the default device was incorrect.
> I used pavucontrol, still present though it is no longer pulseaudio
> under the covers, and set the default device to the one I wanted, and
> it has worked fine ever since.
>
> There was a recent glitch with a wireplumber update that caused sound to
> stop working, but it was fixed within a few days.
>
> In summary, for me sound is just working with wireplumber and pipewire
> replacing pulseaudio.  And, since it is inevitable that they are going
> to replace pulseaudio, might as well bite the bullet and get them
> working.  When replacing pulseaudio with pipewire, use the swap command,
> dnf swap pulseaudio pipewire-pulseaudio
> _______________________________________________
> users mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> Fedora Code of Conduct:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> List Archives:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]
> Do not reply to spam on the list, report it:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2022-03-25 at 10:35 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> It appears that I should try rawhide. Short of removing the elevant
> packages, is there anything else that I should know about making the
> transition?

If you go ahead, note that Rawhide issues should be discussed on the
Fedora Test list rather than here.

poc

[stan]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 10:35:55 -0700
Geoffrey Leach  wrote:
> It appears that I should try rawhide. Short of removing the elevant
> packages, is there anything else that I should know about making the
> transition?

That seems a little drastic!  While rawhide is far more stable now than
the rawhides of yore, it still has occasional issues because it is
where all the discontinuous changes are introduced.  I first started
using rawhide when it was f35.  Like you, I found pipewire to be
*difficult* [1].  So, also like you, I switched back to pulseaudio.
When rawhide became f36, I noticed the swap command, used it.  I then
read that wireplumber was going to obsolete pipewire-manager, and
switched to it.  With the exception of the setting of the default
device and the recent glitch (that, as far as I know didn't get into
stable versions), wireplumber 4.8.2, I have had no problems.  I also
have a simple use case, though I have multiple cards.  I was able to
set up everything satisfactorily using pavucontrol.  I don't use the
command line equivalents, so I don't know if they work, but I didn't
need them.

As far as I am aware, the same versions in rawhide are in the stable
releases, after they pass muster in rawhide.

1.  I was using pulseaudio-equalizer, and I didn't find an equivalent
for pipewire, so I was reluctant to give it up.  Later, I found the
easyeffects package for pipewire that provides an equalizer, so I made
the switch.