HI, I decided to upgrade my mouse to an optical wheel mouse. Shut down, plug in, and reboot caused the crazy mouse syndrome seen when the xorg.conf file does not match the actual mouse. system-config-mouse does not work on FC6, FC7T4, nor CentOS5. Being findrpm rpms for this package stop at FC4, It appears support is being dropped. Putting back the old mouse worked fine. My next plan of attack is to disconnect the PS2 mouse connection from the KVM and hope kudzu picks up the change. Then reboot with the new mouse plugged directly in and hope kudzu picks up the new mouse. I would then repeat this on the FC7T4 box and the RH9 box and then reassemble the KVM.
I am hoping that system-config-mouse has been replaced by something just as good that I have not found.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Bob S
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 10:54 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
I decided to upgrade my mouse to an optical wheel mouse. Shut down, plug in, and reboot caused the crazy mouse syndrome seen when the xorg.conf file does not match the actual mouse.
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and Linux. USB mice have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 14:20 +0930, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 10:54 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
I decided to upgrade my mouse to an optical wheel mouse. Shut down, plug in, and reboot caused the crazy mouse syndrome seen when the xorg.conf file does not match the actual mouse.
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and Linux. USB mice have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
-- (This box runs FC6, my others run FC4 & FC5, in case that's important to the thread.)
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That is interesting since I have been using PS/2 mice for 15 years with linux without a problem. Have you configured xorg.conf properly.
Tim:
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and Linux. USB mice have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
Aaron Konstam:
That is interesting since I have been using PS/2 mice for 15 years with linux without a problem.
Lucky you, there's been quite a few people post about mice that run about the screen, randomly. Also, randomly clicking on things.
Several different motherboards, several different mice, same problem.
Have you configured xorg.conf properly.
Yes.
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 16:27 +0930, Tim wrote:
Tim:
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and Linux. USB mice have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
Aaron Konstam:
That is interesting since I have been using PS/2 mice for 15 years with linux without a problem.
Lucky you, there's been quite a few people post about mice that run about the screen, randomly. Also, randomly clicking on things.
Several different motherboards, several different mice, same problem.
Have you configured xorg.conf properly.
Yes.
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Tim:
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and
Linux. USB mice
have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
Aaron Konstam:
That is interesting since I have been using PS/2 mice for 15 years with linux without a problem.
Lucky you, there's been quite a few people post about mice that run about the screen, randomly. Also, randomly clicking on things.
Several different motherboards, several different mice, same problem.
Have you configured xorg.conf properly.
Yes.
The problem often occurs when going through a KVM. If I plug my new mouse directly into the box, it works. I went to run level 3 and ran "Xorg -configure" and it built a new xorg.conf file in /root/xorg.conf.new. The FC6 machine set the mouse protocol to "Auto" in the generated config. When I hooked the mouse back up to the KVM, it went back to running around randomly and clicking on things. I have used the KVM successfully for several iterations of Fedora with my old 3 button PS2 mouse.
The nice thing about the old system-config-mouse was that it gave you a list of mice from which you could pick a best match. I have not stumbled across this list elsewhere. I am currently loading FC4 on a test machine and will see what kind of mouse configuration it comes up with for the new mouse. I will then try copying that to my FC6 machine and see what happens.
Bob S
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 08:41 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
Tim:
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and
Linux. USB mice
have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
Aaron Konstam:
That is interesting since I have been using PS/2 mice for 15 years with linux without a problem.
Lucky you, there's been quite a few people post about mice that run about the screen, randomly. Also, randomly clicking on things.
Several different motherboards, several different mice, same problem.
Have you configured xorg.conf properly.
Yes.
The problem often occurs when going through a KVM. If I plug my new mouse directly into the box, it works. I went to run level 3 and ran "Xorg -configure" and it built a new xorg.conf file in /root/xorg.conf.new. The FC6 machine set the mouse protocol to "Auto" in the generated config. When I hooked the mouse back up to the KVM, it went back to running around randomly and clicking on things. I have used the KVM successfully for several iterations of Fedora with my old 3 button PS2 mouse.
The nice thing about the old system-config-mouse was that it gave you a list of mice from which you could pick a best match. I have not stumbled across this list elsewhere. I am currently loading FC4 on a test machine and will see what kind of mouse configuration it comes up with for the new mouse. I will then try copying that to my FC6 machine and see what happens.
Bob S
Well I confused the issue by posting the FC4 xorg.conf in answer to a previous question like this. But two further comments are interesting:
I have used a PS/2 mouse on a system with 7 computers and one mouse through a KVM and it worked well.
Second, FC6 has a different attitude towards mice. There is no mouse configuration clause in my xorg.conf on my FC6 machine with a PS/2 mouse so I don't know whether FC4 information will be useful on FC6.
Although , our colleague Tim says this problem is rampant I have never experienced or heard of it before. But is it exists I am sure it is a hardware problem.
The nice thing about the old system-config-mouse was that it gave you a list of mice from which you could pick a best match. I have not stumbled across this list elsewhere. I am currently
loading FC4 on
a test machine and will see what kind of mouse configuration it comes up with for the new mouse. I will then try copying that to my FC6 machine and see what happens.
Bob S
Well I confused the issue by posting the FC4 xorg.conf in answer to a previous question like this. But two further comments are interesting:
I have used a PS/2 mouse on a system with 7 computers and one mouse through a KVM and it worked well.
Second, FC6 has a different attitude towards mice. There is no mouse configuration clause in my xorg.conf on my FC6 machine with a PS/2 mouse so I don't know whether FC4 information will be useful on FC6.
Although , our colleague Tim says this problem is rampant I have never experienced or heard of it before. But is it exists I am sure it is a hardware problem.
The new optical wheel mouse works fine if I plug it directly into the machine. It is only through the KVM that things get messed up. The old mouse works fine through the KVM. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file does have an input selection with a protocol for the mouse. If you run Xorg -configure from run level 3, it puts a protocol of "auto" in there on an FC6 system. The Xorg doc says that the mouse is probed on the fly. It appears all the information needed is not getting through the KVM for "auto" to work correctly. I am hoping that by using an older Fedora which still used X.org, I can determine what the protocol is that would be detected if everything worked. I would then code that in the appropriate place in the xorg.conf file. This of course may not work, but it is the best idea I have at the moment.
Bob S
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 17:07 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
The nice thing about the old system-config-mouse was that it gave you a list of mice from which you could pick a best match. I have not stumbled across this list elsewhere. I am currently
loading FC4 on
a test machine and will see what kind of mouse configuration it comes up with for the new mouse. I will then try copying that to my FC6 machine and see what happens.
Bob S
Well I confused the issue by posting the FC4 xorg.conf in answer to a previous question like this. But two further comments are interesting:
I have used a PS/2 mouse on a system with 7 computers and one mouse through a KVM and it worked well.
Second, FC6 has a different attitude towards mice. There is no mouse configuration clause in my xorg.conf on my FC6 machine with a PS/2 mouse so I don't know whether FC4 information will be useful on FC6.
Although , our colleague Tim says this problem is rampant I have never experienced or heard of it before. But is it exists I am sure it is a hardware problem.
The new optical wheel mouse works fine if I plug it directly into the machine. It is only through the KVM that things get messed up. The old mouse works fine through the KVM. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file does have an input selection with a protocol for the mouse. If you run Xorg -configure from run level 3, it puts a protocol of "auto" in there on an FC6 system. The Xorg doc says that the mouse is probed on the fly. It appears all the information needed is not getting through the KVM for "auto" to work correctly. I am hoping that by using an older Fedora which still used X.org, I can determine what the protocol is that would be detected if everything worked. I would then code that in the appropriate place in the xorg.conf file. This of course may not work, but it is the best idea I have at the moment.
Uh, is this a Belkin KVM by any chance? They're rather notorious for hosing mice connections. I use Linksys and Rose KVMs and have had few issues. I've heard many a horror story about Belkins, however.
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At 5:07 PM -0500 5/31/07, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
The nice thing about the old system-config-mouse was that it gave you a list of mice from which you could pick a best match. I have not stumbled across this list elsewhere. I am currently
loading FC4 on
a test machine and will see what kind of mouse configuration it comes up with for the new mouse. I will then try copying that to my FC6 machine and see what happens.
Bob S
Well I confused the issue by posting the FC4 xorg.conf in answer to a previous question like this. But two further comments are interesting:
I have used a PS/2 mouse on a system with 7 computers and one mouse through a KVM and it worked well.
Second, FC6 has a different attitude towards mice. There is no mouse configuration clause in my xorg.conf on my FC6 machine with a PS/2 mouse so I don't know whether FC4 information will be useful on FC6.
Although , our colleague Tim says this problem is rampant I have never experienced or heard of it before. But is it exists I am sure it is a hardware problem.
The new optical wheel mouse works fine if I plug it directly into the machine. It is only through the KVM that things get messed up. The old mouse works fine through the KVM. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file does have an input selection with a protocol for the mouse. If you run Xorg -configure from run level 3, it puts a protocol of "auto" in there on an FC6 system. The Xorg doc says that the mouse is probed on the fly. It appears all the information needed is not getting through the KVM for "auto" to work correctly. I am hoping that by using an older Fedora which still used X.org, I can determine what the protocol is that would be detected if everything worked. I would then code that in the appropriate place in the xorg.conf file. This of course may not work, but it is the best idea I have at the moment.
Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for "Mouse". You will find the protocol that was selected. "man mousedrv" will give more information about the options.
On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 15:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Although , our colleague Tim says this problem is rampant I have never experienced or heard of it before. But is it exists I am sure it is a hardware problem.
I would not be surprised. I can imagine various factors are probably quite variable between different computer systems. e.g. Unshielded mice cables. Crappy power supply from the PS/2 port to the mouse.
Though it doesn't explain why the mouse went nuts with Linux but behaved perfectly for Windows, on all the same hardware. It is a type of serial port, I wonder if the parameters get set properly?
I would not be surprised. I can imagine various factors are probably quite variable between different computer systems. e.g. Unshielded mice cables. Crappy power supply from the PS/2 port to the mouse.
Though it doesn't explain why the mouse went nuts with Linux but behaved perfectly for Windows, on all the same hardware. It is a type of serial port, I wonder if the parameters get set properly?
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New Info: (maybe I should have changed the subject, but that breaks the thread for me.)
My FC4 install on the test machine went OK. It claimed the new mouse Was the same driver I was showing on my FC6 box.
Tried a new trick assuming that the KVM was remembering something about the mouse and confusing the Linux box.
I powered down all the machines attached to the KVM so there were no little red lights on the KVM. Then let it sit for a few minutes. Swapped the new mouse in and powered up the FC4 machine which was loaded with the new mouse plugged directly in (now hooked to the KVM) (Linksys KVM by the way). Everything worked fine!
Powered up the FC6 machine and it now worked correctly.
Finally powered up the RH9 machine and it was good too.
I cannot say this would work every time, but it worked at least once. I suspect getting all the machines powered down effectively power cycled the KVM and it requeried the mouse.
Thanks for the suggestions. I hope this helps someone else.
Bob S Phoenix AZ.
At 2:20 PM +0930 5/30/07, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 10:54 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
I decided to upgrade my mouse to an optical wheel mouse. Shut down, plug in, and reboot caused the crazy mouse syndrome seen when the xorg.conf file does not match the actual mouse.
I've *NEVER* had good experiences with PS/2 mice and Linux. USB mice have been far less of a pain, and some USB mice have been the only mice that have worked without errors on some of my boxes.
My experience is less, but PS/2 mice are very standard and a PS/2 mouse works for me, with Fedora, Knoppix, and CentOS.
Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
I am hoping that system-config-mouse has been replaced by something just as good that I have not found.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Rahul
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Rahul
Hi Rahul, Thanks for the pointer. Too bad about config mouse. It appears that since just plugging in a different type mouse makes the mouse go wild, (thinks the right mouse button is pressed all the time), the solution becomes figuring out what to put in xorg.conf manually. I still have hope for the using kudzu in remove the mouse, reboot, add the new mouse and reboot again although I will not get to try it till tonight.
Bob S.
Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Rahul
Hi Rahul, Thanks for the pointer. Too bad about config mouse. It appears that since just plugging in a different type mouse makes the mouse go wild, (thinks the right mouse button is pressed all the time), the solution becomes figuring out what to put in xorg.conf manually. I still have hope for the using kudzu in remove the mouse, reboot, add the new mouse and reboot again although I will not get to try it till tonight.
You don't have to reboot. You can run kudzu manually in the command line. Maybe move the profile in /etc/sysconfig before you do that too. If the mouse doesn't just work without any fiddling whatsoever that's really a bug.
Rahul
You don't have to reboot. You can run kudzu manually in the command line. Maybe move the profile in /etc/sysconfig before you do that too. If the mouse doesn't just work without any fiddling whatsoever that's really a bug.
Rahul
After the mouse switch, both without and with a reboot, kudzu just returned.
The key becomes, with system-config-mouse gone, how do you get the mouse type into /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
Bob S
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 10:54 -0500, Styma, Robert E (Robert) wrote:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/fc5/#id2947593
Rahul
Hi Rahul, Thanks for the pointer. Too bad about config mouse. It appears that since just plugging in a different type mouse makes the mouse go wild, (thinks the right mouse button is pressed all the time), the solution becomes figuring out what to put in xorg.conf manually. I still have hope for the using kudzu in remove the mouse, reboot, add the new mouse and reboot again although I will not get to try it till tonight.
Bob S.
This clause works for m in xorg.conf:
Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
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