I have a pair of old Garmin RINO 120 GPSs and a gadget to connect either of them, one at a time, to my PC, currently running F 29. For several years I could run topo map software under WINE -- unfree software from any, or almost any, of half a dozen vendors -- but never get any of them to talk to either GPS. Now there is Open Street Map, a.k.a. OSM, which I THINK runs natively under Linux.
I have studied forums and followed discussion lists (with Pan and Gmane, since most of the content is obviously unrelated to my questions). For years.
It seems that everyone else is a mapMAKER, and takes mere USE for granted. I only want to use it, and only out in the woods or the desert or the tooley weeds -- all of which, it seems, OSM does map, despite its name. I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail.
Unlike the OSM regulars, I have no advanced skills in cartography, nor EE, nor CS. My skills and knowledge are in unrelated areas.
All this boils down to two questions. If I install OSM under Fedora, will it accept, incorporate, and display off-road and off-trail data from an old GPS, either with OSM's own data, or with things like USGS topo maps? And if it will, can an ordinary mortal learn to use it?
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 21:37:01 -0000 (UTC) Beartooth Beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail.
on pieces of paper? or in a device? or what? anyone can edit osm online with a free account, add points of interest, lots more
This might be of interest: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guide
Dave
I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use.
As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked about quality, which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large cities. But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99% of those trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.
If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly.
Best, Clifford
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:37 PM Beartooth Beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
I have a pair of old Garmin RINO 120 GPSs and a gadget to connecteither of them, one at a time, to my PC, currently running F 29. For several years I could run topo map software under WINE -- unfree software from any, or almost any, of half a dozen vendors -- but never get any of them to talk to either GPS. Now there is Open Street Map, a.k.a. OSM, which I THINK runs natively under Linux.
I have studied forums and followed discussion lists (with Pan andGmane, since most of the content is obviously unrelated to my questions). For years.
It seems that everyone else is a mapMAKER, and takes mere USE forgranted. I only want to use it, and only out in the woods or the desert or the tooley weeds -- all of which, it seems, OSM does map, despite its name. I want to get maps to scale that show things of interest to me only, or I hope only -- things like good lunch rocks, and nests, and particular trees, all or nearly all off any trail.
Unlike the OSM regulars, I have no advanced skills incartography, nor EE, nor CS. My skills and knowledge are in unrelated areas.
All this boils down to two questions. If I install OSM underFedora, will it accept, incorporate, and display off-road and off-trail data from an old GPS, either with OSM's own data, or with things like USGS topo maps? And if it will, can an ordinary mortal learn to use it?
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On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Clifford Snow clifford@snowandsnow.us wrote:
I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use.
As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked about quality, which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large cities. But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99% of those trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.
If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly.
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:59:57 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote:
I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use.
What does QuickMapServices plug into? Dnf installed QGIS, and also mapnik, which I take to be relevant; but having had my share of dependency hell back in the day, I'm reluctant to update anything except via dnf. Is that going to make trouble?
There may be trouble already:
$ qgis & [1] 12521 [btth@localhost ~]$ Warning: loading of qgis translation failed [/usr/ share/qgis/i18n//qgis_en_US] Warning: loading of qt translation failed [/usr/share/qt4/translations/ qt_en_US] Warning: Object::connect: No such signal QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::&QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::selectItem( const QModelIndex &index ) Warning: Object::connect: (receiver name: 'QgsBookmarksBase') Warning: QCss::Parser - Failed to load file "/style.qss" QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory Warning: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/btth/.qgis2// project_templates loaded the Generic plugin Warning: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QgsPanelWidgetStack "mWidgetStack", which already has a layout
As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
I obviously need to learn the difference between a trail and a trace. Maybe it's in the matter I read yesterday; absent-mindedness, alas!, gets worse with age.
When I'm speaking to a group about OSM, I'm usually asked about quality, which is at least as good, if not better, than the others in large cities. But for trails, OSM has the most trails of any map service. 99% of those trails are added from gpx traces from people just like you.
If you need help with OSM or QGIS, please contact me directly.
First of all, thanks a million! That's vastly more than I had found, and very apposite. I've been beavering into it.
Second, goodgoddlemityWOW! I hadn't the faintest notion of the incredible vastness of the project. I imagined something like downloading a few Coast & Geodetic Service Maps to a GPS a/o a computer -- as I did twenty-odd years ago.
It's going to take me a while just to digest the idea of what is out there, and another while to learn the jargon. "Good Lord willin' an' the crick don't rise," as people say in these here parts, I'll be back with questions, lots of questions, and I hope more understanding of what there is to learn.
Again, many, many thanks!
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:48 AM Beartooth Beartooth@comcast.net wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:59:57 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote:
I would suggest using QGIS. It run great under Fedora. I use Dani's copr repo for QGIS. (copy of repo below) It's has the latest version, 3.4 which is very stable. QGIS will natively open GPX tracks. Then you'll want to get some backgrounds. I would add the QuickMapServices plugin. Once the plugin is installed, Go to Web, QuickMapServices and open settings. Under More service, select Get contributed pack. It will load in more than a dozen backgrounds you can use.
What does QuickMapServices plug into? Dnf installed QGIS, andalso mapnik, which I take to be relevant; but having had my share of dependency hell back in the day, I'm reluctant to update anything except via dnf. Is that going to make trouble?
It shouldn't. Plugins are fetched and I believe stored in your home directory under ~/.local/share/QGIS/QGIS3
There may be trouble already:$ qgis & [1] 12521 [btth@localhost ~]$ Warning: loading of qgis translation failed [/usr/ share/qgis/i18n//qgis_en_US] Warning: loading of qt translation failed [/usr/share/qt4/translations/ qt_en_US] Warning: Object::connect: No such signal QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::&QgsMergedBookmarksTableModel::selectItem( const QModelIndex &index ) Warning: Object::connect: (receiver name: 'QgsBookmarksBase') Warning: QCss::Parser - Failed to load file "/style.qss" QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory Warning: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/btth/.qgis2// project_templates loaded the Generic plugin Warning: QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to QgsPanelWidgetStack "mWidgetStack", which already has a layout
Its possibly a conflict with python installations. I've been down that road. Now when I install from pip/pip3 I use the --user option.
As a personal note from an active OSM contributor, please at least consider uploading your tracks. Just go to osm.org and select GPX Tracks to upload yours. If you are willing to put some extra effort, once you've added your traces, please add your trail to OSM.
I obviously need to learn the difference between a trail and atrace. Maybe it's in the matter I read yesterday; absent-mindedness, alas!, gets worse with age.
Use the gpx trace along with imagery to add the trail in OSM. Once the trace is uploaded, it can be used as a background to add a line feature to OSM. Using the browser based editor, iD, select the line feature to add your trail. Tag the line as highway=path + a name= if its named. A gpx trace from a consumer grade device can easily be off by 3 meters - if not more. By using imagery along with the gpx the trail can easily be more accurate.
Good luck, Clifford
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