updated Fedora Core system with the ATI Radeon 9600 and drivers from the ATI website for XFree86 4.3 after every kernel update I run the .rpm file from ATI's site to make sure that it is installed correctly. I have to as the ethernet card on the ASUS A78X has the nforce2 chipset and the onboard ethernet takes a driver from the website at nvidia.com so I do it for both the ethernet and the ATI video card. Well since the dawn of this machine tuxracer has never been able to work correctly as it wants the MESA .rpm file or something as when I remove it no OpenGL program will run. Anyone else with this problem? The reason that it will not run as it cannot find the libraries for OpenGL. libGLU.so.1 is removed. If I reinstall XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 then it runs slower than anything I have ever seen.
Please help.
Thank you, Ryan Zygar
Just to Follow Up. Today made a comment about NOT being able to use Fedora "out of the box"
RE: transition from red hat 9 to fedora
Having to install the drivers from ATI's website. Not having to rpm -e --nodeps XFree86-Mesa-libGLU and install the the driver from ATI's website. Well I am very impressed with Mike Harris work on XFree86 and not watching DVD's on Saturday or Sunday. If you had a paypal account I would buy you a BEER.
So today I did all the updates. Then made sure that I installed all the XFree86 packages that I needed. And I have them all. I then removed the ATI that I had installed.
rpm -e --nodeps fglrx-glc22 to remove the old .rpm from ATI's website http://ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html
I reinstalled the .rpm's that I had downloaded the XFree86 files that I was missing, the Mesa*.rpms, I unistalled per ATI's README. I was using my Redhat modified kernel that I rebuilt to enable NTFS support for my work files. I JUST COPIED THE MAKEFILE FROM /boot TO .config /usr/src/linux* THEN WOULD make xconfig AND ENABLE NTFS. THAT IS ALL I WOULD EDIT/CHANGE FOR NOW. The makefile would always rename it .custom so when I would make modules make modules_install it would not change the existing modules build.
I BACK UP XFCONFIG-4 AND ERASE XFCONFIG-4
So when I rebooted today into the newest kernel, I got a prompt to config my Radeon card I enable it that is the prompt. Then on to XFree and so I chose the Video Card Radeon 9600 and the Monitor Viewsonic PF790 and Video Setting 1280X1024. It continues to GREAT fedora login. I login and as Gnome starts to load _CRASH_ the machine just hangs.
REBOOT
I go back through load all the kernels that I have the default kernel that have been through Fedora core I have kept around just out of laziness. So I load up the old default I believe foo.2110.nptl
Login screen login/password Gnome starts loading.... STOP! It hangs mouse is dead machine is dead no CNTRL-ALT-DEL either. HUNG.
REBOOT
Load back in and CNTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE 6 times to break out of the GDM. Console is just fine. PROMPTED that X will restart in 2 minutes. I delete XFConfig to buy sometime. Crazy enough it doesn't detect the card. Used a VESA driver edited the PROMPTS from redhat-config-xfree (KILLER APP BTW) Select Radeon 9600 and Viewsonic PF790 and it writes the file /etc/X11/XFconfig of course and restarts X (GREAT JOB REDHAT). Login and start up as soon as the Gnome Dialog comes up no Icons stream across and HUNG!
REBOOT
No matter what I try I cannot get it to work this way.
So here is what I have tried:
insmod radeon insmod radeonfb
The VESA driver works fine and I can use that but then I have 800x600 display and like 50HZ of refresh. So you know that I didn't buy the card for that :-)
What on earth can this be I wonder? My machine is broken.
I figure remove the MESA* stuff reload the glrx-glc22*rpm from ATI and just try again.
SYSTEM: MB: ASUS A7N8X - Recent Bios Updates RAM: 512MB DDR (2x256) HD: WD 80GB CDR: YAMAHA CD: TEAC VIDEO: ATI RADEON 9600 256MB RAM AGP 8X
Default Fedora Kernal(s) and XFree.
Thank you, Ryan Zygar
NOTHING HELPS there.
On Oct 28, 2003, at 5:18 PM, Ryan J. Zygar wrote:
updated Fedora Core system with the ATI Radeon 9600 and drivers from the ATI website for XFree86 4.3 after every kernel update I run the .rpm file from ATI's site to make sure that it is installed correctly. I have to as the ethernet card on the ASUS A78X has the nforce2 chipset and the onboard ethernet takes a driver from the website at nvidia.com so I do it for both the ethernet and the ATI video card. Well since the dawn of this machine tuxracer has never been able to work correctly as it wants the MESA .rpm file or something as when I remove it no OpenGL program will run. Anyone else with this problem? The reason that it will not run as it cannot find the libraries for OpenGL. libGLU.so.1 is removed. If I reinstall XFree86-Mesa-libGLU-4.3.0-42 then it runs slower than anything I have ever seen.
Please help.
Thank you, Ryan Zygar
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ryan J Zygar wrote:
So when I rebooted today into the newest kernel, I got a prompt to config my Radeon card I enable it that is the prompt. Then on to XFree and so I chose the Video Card Radeon 9600 and the Monitor Viewsonic PF790 and Video Setting 1280X1024. It continues to GREAT fedora login. I login and as Gnome starts to load _CRASH_ the machine just hangs.
Keep in mind that the redhat-config-xfree86 tool configures only the drivers supplied with the distribution. If you use unsupported 3rd party drivers such as the ATI or Nvidia proprietary drivers, you need to use their own configuration tool or hand edit the config file and tweak it while following their 'README' documentation et al. The ATI fglrx and nvidia drivers will not be used by the distribution config tools.
Login screen login/password Gnome starts loading.... STOP! It hangs mouse is dead machine is dead no CNTRL-ALT-DEL either. HUNG.
Unfortunately you're not using the Red Hat supplied kernel, so any number of problems could be occuring. Best thing to do is boot with the Red Hat supplied kernel and use that. If you need the unsupported NTFS module, there is prebuilt rpm packages of the NTFS module on freshrpms.net IIRC, or http://ntfs.sf.net or somesuch, although I don't recall the specific details.
Load back in and CNTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE 6 times to break out of the GDM. Console is just fine. PROMPTED that X will restart in 2 minutes. I delete XFConfig to buy sometime. Crazy enough it doesn't detect the card. Used a VESA driver edited the PROMPTS from redhat-config-xfree (KILLER APP BTW) Select Radeon 9600 and Viewsonic PF790 and it writes the file /etc/X11/XFconfig of course and restarts X (GREAT JOB REDHAT). Login and start up as soon as the Gnome Dialog comes up no Icons stream across and HUNG!
The config tool will configure the card to use the "radeon" driver, and ignore ATI's binary driver. I don't know if ATI's drivers overwrite the libGL, libglx and other things in the same manner as Nvidias do or not, but if they do, this could cause potential hangs as well.
insmod radeon insmod radeonfb
Both of those are wrong and bad. "radeonfb" is Radeon framebuffer module which is unrelated to what you are trying to accomplish. "radeon" module is the kernel DRM module for Radeon hardware. XFree86 does not support DRI on Radeon 9600 at all, so that module wont do anything for you, although it will interfere with the ATI binary modules should you try to use them. In short, you never ever ever ever need to load kernel modules by hand with insmod or modprobe to use XFree86. The X server will load whatever modules it needs automatically, and if it doesn't then you've either got misconfiguration of something or misinstallation of drivers.
The VESA driver works fine and I can use that but then I have 800x600 display and like 50HZ of refresh. So you know that I didn't buy the card for that :-)
The "radeon" driver will work with full 2D acceleration but without 3D using the distribution supplied "radeon" driver. Again however, installation of ATI's binary drivers may or may not disable your ability to use the distribution supplied driver. I haven't looked at recent ATI drivers to see how they install themselves and what if anything they change.
What on earth can this be I wonder? My machine is broken. I figure remove the MESA* stuff reload the glrx-glc22*rpm from ATI and just try again.
Uninstall ATI's drivers, reinstall all of the XFree86 rpms that come with the distribution including Mesa. Run:
redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig
You should have working 2D only video. Then if you prefer to install ATI's drivers, please read the README documentation et al. that come with ATI's drivers, which give quite detailed instructions on how to get the driver properly installed, configured and working.
I definitely recommend doing all of this with the Red Hat supplied kernel though.
Hope this helps.
Good luck! TTYL
Thank you. I am not at the computer yet but this gives me something to digest. You brought up that the NVIDIA drivers overwrite the config? SEE NOTES BELOW
On Oct 29, 2003, at 11:19 PM, Mike A. Harris wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ryan J Zygar wrote:
So when I rebooted today into the newest kernel, I got a prompt to config my Radeon card I enable it that is the prompt. Then on to XFree and so I chose the Video Card Radeon 9600 and the Monitor Viewsonic PF790 and Video Setting 1280X1024. It continues to GREAT fedora login. I login and as Gnome starts to load _CRASH_ the machine just hangs.
Keep in mind that the redhat-config-xfree86 tool configures only the drivers supplied with the distribution. If you use unsupported 3rd party drivers such as the ATI or Nvidia proprietary drivers, you need to use their own configuration tool or hand edit the config file and tweak it while following their 'README' documentation et al. The ATI fglrx and nvidia drivers will not be used by the distribution config tools.
Login screen login/password Gnome starts loading.... STOP! It hangs mouse is dead machine is dead no CNTRL-ALT-DEL either. HUNG.
Unfortunately you're not using the Red Hat supplied kernel, so any number of problems could be occuring. Best thing to do is boot with the Red Hat supplied kernel and use that. If you need the unsupported NTFS module, there is prebuilt rpm packages of the NTFS module on freshrpms.net IIRC, or http://ntfs.sf.net or somesuch, although I don't recall the specific details.
Alright I will go that route for the meantime that doesn't hang up to hard I have my SMB share to fall off with a mirrored image of what is on the NTFS side so my focus XFree!
Load back in and CNTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE 6 times to break out of the GDM. Console is just fine. PROMPTED that X will restart in 2 minutes. I delete XFConfig to buy sometime. Crazy enough it doesn't detect the card. Used a VESA driver edited the PROMPTS from redhat-config-xfree (KILLER APP BTW) Select Radeon 9600 and Viewsonic PF790 and it writes the file /etc/X11/XFconfig of course and restarts X (GREAT JOB REDHAT). Login and start up as soon as the Gnome Dialog comes up no Icons stream across and HUNG!
The config tool will configure the card to use the "radeon" driver, and ignore ATI's binary driver. I don't know if ATI's drivers overwrite the libGL, libglx and other things in the same manner as Nvidias do or not, but if they do, this could cause potential hangs as well.
Yes I know that it does overwrite the files. But after rpm -e --nodeps that file from ATI I reinstalled the MESA .rpms the MESA libglu libglx I cannot remember the names but the MESA* ones. Should that have reinstalled an overwritten the ATI files? How can I remove the libraries and reinstall rm -rf /usr/X11r6/lib/X11/modules (whatever the path) then reinstall then reinstall the rpms. Just using the VESA driver to get by.
insmod radeon insmod radeonfb
Both of those are wrong and bad. "radeonfb" is Radeon framebuffer module which is unrelated to what you are trying to accomplish. "radeon" module is the kernel DRM module for Radeon hardware. XFree86 does not support DRI on Radeon 9600 at all, so that module wont do anything for you, although it will interfere with the ATI binary modules should you try to use them. In short, you never ever ever ever need to load kernel modules by hand with insmod or modprobe to use XFree86. The X server will load whatever modules it needs automatically, and if it doesn't then you've either got misconfiguration of something or misinstallation of drivers.
I was just trying anything. Thanks for the explanation though! Why doesn't Redhat insmod for Framebuffer support like? Just curious I remember trying some distro awhile back that did that.
The VESA driver works fine and I can use that but then I have 800x600 display and like 50HZ of refresh. So you know that I didn't buy the card for that :-)
The "radeon" driver will work with full 2D acceleration but without 3D using the distribution supplied "radeon" driver. Again however, installation of ATI's binary drivers may or may not disable your ability to use the distribution supplied driver. I haven't looked at recent ATI drivers to see how they install themselves and what if anything they change.
Thanks!
What on earth can this be I wonder? My machine is broken. I figure remove the MESA* stuff reload the glrx-glc22*rpm from ATI and just try again.
Uninstall ATI's drivers, reinstall all of the XFree86 rpms that come with the distribution including Mesa. Run:
redhat-config-xfree86 --reconfig
You should have working 2D only video. Then if you prefer to install ATI's drivers, please read the README documentation et al. that come with ATI's drivers, which give quite detailed instructions on how to get the driver properly installed, configured and working.
I definitely recommend doing all of this with the Red Hat supplied kernel though.
Hope this helps.
Good luck! TTYL
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