This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
R. T.
Rolf Turner Technical Editor ANZJS
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner issued this missive:
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
I'm running Thunderbird 24.5.0. I haven't seen this issue, but I don't subscribe to a ton of folders, either (I think I have about 14 on the server, probably 20 or so local folders).
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On 12/07/14 12:04, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner issued this missive:
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
I'm running Thunderbird 24.5.0. I haven't seen this issue, but I don't subscribe to a ton of folders, either (I think I have about 14 on the server, probably 20 or so local folders).
Is it possible that it's your IMAP server that's dropping your subscriptions?
Yes it's certainly possible, but the real answer is "I don't know, and don't know how to find out."
cheers,
Rolf
On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote:
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
Are you talking about imap folders? If so, the subscription information is kept on the server side. So, for example, when I use T-Bird on a Virtual Machine and define my existing email account all my subscribed folders are displayed. That is the way IMAP works. This way any IMAP client show show the same information making it easy to move from system to system and have access to the same information.
Is your IMAP server under your control?
cheers,
Rolf Turner
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
No matter what version I've used, I've not had any problems in that area.
On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote:
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
Are you talking about imap folders? If so, the subscription information is kept on the server side. So, for example, when I use T-Bird on a Virtual Machine and define my existing email account all my subscribed folders are displayed. That is the way IMAP works. This way any IMAP client show show the same information making it easy to move from system to system and have access to the same information.
Is your IMAP server under your control?
I don't *think* it is under my control. The server is run by the University of Auckland and is presumably under the control of the U. of A. IT department. Who are, of course, a law unto themselves. :-)
cheers,
Rolf Turner
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a more recent version of Thunderbird to run?
No matter what version I've used, I've not had any problems in that area.
Hmm. As usual, the universe seems to be picking on *me*! :-)
cheers,
Rolf
On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/12/14 07:54, Rolf Turner wrote:
This is of course not a Fedora issue as such, but I have tried hard and without success to find answers elsewhere. And since this list has so many contributors who are *so* knowledgeable (abrasive, cranky, cryptic, but above all *knowledgeable*) I thought I would ask here.
The question is actually two-fold:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
I can of course re-subscribe to them, but since I have a rather large number of folders and subfolders (and subsubfolders ...) this is a lengthy and tedious task.
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
(2) Failing the last, is there any way to *speed up* the process of re-subscribing? I would like a way of essentially subscribing to *everything*, with a single click (or something like that) and then be able to go through and unsubscribe to those relatively few folders to which I do not wish to subscribe.
Groping around on the web I found a way to bypass the "subscribe" system. One goes to Edit -> Account Settings -> Server Settings -> Advanced, and then unchecks "Show only subscribed folders".
This is not too bad, but it leaves me with a number of bits of crap in my folder list that I *do not* wish to see. Things that Thunderbird imposes on the user, like "Journal", "Junk E-Mail", "Notes", "Sent Items", "Sent Messages", etc. (The last two really puzzle me; what function might they serve that is different from the function of the "Sent" folder?) It seems to be impossible to get rid of these, and the only way to mask them is to unsubscribe. But then I need to *subscribe* to all of the stuff that I *do* want to see.
Grateful for any insight or advice.
Are you talking about imap folders? If so, the subscription information is kept on the server side. So, for example, when I use T-Bird on a Virtual Machine and define my existing email account all my subscribed folders are displayed. That is the way IMAP works. This way any IMAP client show show the same information making it easy to move from system to system and have access to the same information.
Is your IMAP server under your control?
I don't *think* it is under my control. The server is run by the University of Auckland and is presumably under the control of the U. of A. IT department. Who are, of course, a law unto themselves. :-)
cheers,
Rolf Turner
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a more recent version of Thunderbird to run?
No matter what version I've used, I've not had any problems in that area.
Hmm. As usual, the universe seems to be picking on *me*! :-)
cheers,
Rolf
s/Universe/University/ http://webmail.ec.auckland.ac.nz/ http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/services/it-essentials/ec-mail http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/services/it-essentials/help/ic-helpdesk https://www.sit.auckland.ac.nz/Science_IT_Support https://www.sit.auckland.ac.nz/How_to_setup_your_Email_client https://www.sit.auckland.ac.nz/Setting_up_Thunderbird_2 https://www.sit.auckland.ac.nz/UXchange/Thunderbird
poma
On 07/12/14 08:27, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
Are you talking about imap folders? If so, the subscription information is kept on the server side. So, for example, when I use T-Bird on a Virtual Machine and define my existing email account all my subscribed folders are displayed. That is the way IMAP works. This way any IMAP client show show the same information making it easy to move from system to system and have access to the same information.
Is your IMAP server under your control?
I don't *think* it is under my control. The server is run by the University of Auckland and is presumably under the control of the U. of A. IT department. Who are, of course, a law unto themselves. :-)
OK. I could have assumed you were talking about the University's server.....but didn't want to do that.
FWIW, it seems your IMAP server is....
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ telnet uxchange10-web-f5vip.auckland.ac.nz 143 Trying 130.216.158.31... Connected to uxchange10-web-f5vip.auckland.ac.nz. Escape character is '^]'. * OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready.
YUCK!
And old complaint about this sort of thing.....
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2068757
cheers,
Rolf Turner
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a more recent version of Thunderbird to run?
Since F17 is EOL you can't update from the Fedora Repos. You'd have to install the latest version after downloading from Mozilla's website.
No matter what version I've used, I've not had any problems in that area.
Hmm. As usual, the universe seems to be picking on *me*! :-)
You're never along on that count.
On 12/07/14 14:44, Ed Greshko wrote:
<SNIP>
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that Iam running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a morerecent version of Thunderbird to run?
Since F17 is EOL you can't update from the Fedora Repos. You'd have toinstall the latest version after downloading from Mozilla's website.
Just tried to do that. I:
* downloaded the tarball thunderbird-24.6.0.tar.bz2 * unpacked it, getting a directory "thunderbird" * put this into /usr/lib64, which is where the thunderbird directory for my 17.0.7 version lived * tried to start thunderbird * got the error message
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything can be done about it.
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
For the moment I have put the old version 17.0.7 thunderbird directory (of which I had very cleverly --- :-) --- kept a copy) back in place, and that version of thunderbird runs with no more problems than it ever had.
Thanks for any tips.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 14:44, Ed Greshko wrote:
<SNIP>
P. S. I am running Thunderbird 17.0.7, if that is of any relevance.
It should not matter....but that is a very old version.
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that Iam running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a morerecent version of Thunderbird to run?
Since F17 is EOL you can't update from the Fedora Repos. You'd have toinstall the latest version after downloading from Mozilla's website.
Just tried to do that. I:
- downloaded the tarball thunderbird-24.6.0.tar.bz2
- unpacked it, getting a directory "thunderbird"
- put this into /usr/lib64, which is where the thunderbird directory for my 17.0.7 version lived
- tried to start thunderbird
- got the error message
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything can be done about it.
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
For the moment I have put the old version 17.0.7 thunderbird directory (of which I had very cleverly --- :-) --- kept a copy) back in place, and that version of thunderbird runs with no more problems than it ever had.
Thanks for any tips.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
In your case is actually recommended the following http://www.novell.com/documentation/evolution24/evolution24/data/exchange-co... https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/EWS_OperationsFeaturesParityMatrix https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/EWS
poma
On 07/12/14 12:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything can be done about it.
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
Well, unfortunately, mozilla only supplies the 32-bit version of T-Bird on their website and you're running 64-Bit Fedora 17. You could make the 32-bit version run....but that would take effort.
Best to download the 64-bit version from here....
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/24.6.0/...
or
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/24.6.0/...
if you prefer "British English". :-)
Then all you need to do is un-tar the file and execute the thunderbird executable in that directory. No need to move any files.
On 12/07/14 17:32, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/12/14 12:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything can be done about it.
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
Well, unfortunately, mozilla only supplies the 32-bit version of T-Bird on their website and you're running 64-Bit Fedora 17. You could make the 32-bit version run....but that would take effort.
Best to download the 64-bit version from here....
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/24.6.0/...
or
http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/24.6.0/...
if you prefer "British English". :-)
Then all you need to do is un-tar the file and execute the thunderbird executable in that directory. No need to move any files.
Nearly there I think. I downloaded the second tarball (I *do* prefer British English) and unpacked it; I cd-ed to the resulting thunderbird directory and executed ./thunderbird. The program started OK --- I am now using it (i.e. I am using thunderbird 24.6.0) --- but I got a message:
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so [/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
Don't know what the nppdf.so bizzo is about, and things *seem* to be running OK, but getting messages I don't understand makes me nervous. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the nppdf.so thing does, and how I can get one of the correct "ELF class"? Presumably this is the 32 bit vs. 64 bit dichotomy showing up again.
Thanks.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 07/12/14 21:18, Rolf Turner wrote:
Nearly there I think. I downloaded the second tarball (I *do* prefer British English) and unpacked it; I cd-ed to the resulting thunderbird directory and executed ./thunderbird. The program started OK --- I am now using it (i.e. I am using thunderbird 24.6.0) --- but I got a message:
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so [/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
Don't know what the nppdf.so bizzo is about, and things *seem* to be running OK, but getting messages I don't understand makes me nervous. Can anyone enlighten me as to what the nppdf.so thing does, and how I can get one of the correct "ELF class"? Presumably this is the 32 bit vs. 64 bit dichotomy showing up again.
First off, nppdf.so is part of the Adobe Reader package. Sounds as if that isn't installed properly on your system.
What is the output of.....
ldd -v /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote: ...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
...
Looks like you're in a love affair with this list, however.
In fact the only real help is on this page http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/services/it-essentials/help/ic-helpdesk
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems. It is always good practice.
poma
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote: ...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
...
Looks like you're in a love affair with this list, however.
In fact the only real help is on this page http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/services/it-essentials/help/ic-helpdesk
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems. It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on which I have superuser privileges and am thus not under their complete control. Also they are Windoze oriented, with Ubuntu insisted upon if one insists on running Linux. Fedora is a no-no.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 12.07.2014 15:28, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote: ...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe* --- "Do this, and then this, and then this ...." I understand a fair bit of Linux jargon, but there is a *HUGE* amount that I don't understand, so please phrase things in a way that a non-techie might be able to follow.
...
Looks like you're in a love affair with this list, however.
In fact the only real help is on this page http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/services/it-essentials/help/ic-helpdesk
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems. It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on which I have superuser privileges and am thus not under their complete control. Also they are Windoze oriented, with Ubuntu insisted upon if one insists on running Linux. Fedora is a no-no.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
Théâtre de l'Absurde.
BTW I see you've solved it with the TBird upgrade, however man, do not stay on Fedora 17, upgrade or start fresh with the CentOS, really.
poma
On 13/07/14 09:11, poma wrote:
<SNIP>
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems. It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on which I have superuser privileges and am thus not under their complete control. Also they are Windoze oriented, with Ubuntu insisted upon if one insists on running Linux. Fedora is a no-no.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
Théâtre de l'Absurde.
Indeed.
BTW I see you've solved it with the TBird upgrade, however man, do not stay on Fedora 17, upgrade or start fresh with the CentOS, really.
Well, I have managed to upgrade Thunderbird, modulo a wee glitch (which may be irrelevant anyway) with which Ed Greshko may be able to help me.
It remains to be seen whether this will have any impact upon the "subscribe" problems that I have from time to time. (I am inclined to doubt it.)
I agree that I should upgrade or move to CentOS. I like the latter idea; if I understand correctly what I read on this list, CentOS is more stable and less demanding.
I hesitate to do such a "radical" thing however lest I break something and leave myself essentially bereft of computer. I can't afford to do that. As I have said a couple of times previously, I have insufficient knowledge of Linux myself and have no local resources to draw on to compensate for this insufficiency.
In particular, installing a new OS or upgrading an old one often seems to involve mucking about with "partitions" of the hard drive. I don't grok partitions and when I get called upon, by an installer program, to make some choice in respect of partitions I collapse in terror lest my choice causes some vital part of the file system to be erased.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 07/13/2014 02:36 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 13/07/14 09:11, poma wrote:
<SNIP>
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems. It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on which I have superuser privileges and am thus not under their complete control. Also they are Windoze oriented, with Ubuntu insisted upon if one insists on running Linux. Fedora is a no-no.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
Théâtre de l'Absurde.
Indeed.
BTW I see you've solved it with the TBird upgrade, however man, do not stay on Fedora 17, upgrade or start fresh with the CentOS, really.
Well, I have managed to upgrade Thunderbird, modulo a wee glitch (which may be irrelevant anyway) with which Ed Greshko may be able to help me.
It remains to be seen whether this will have any impact upon the "subscribe" problems that I have from time to time. (I am inclined to doubt it.)
I agree that I should upgrade or move to CentOS. I like the latter idea; if I understand correctly what I read on this list, CentOS is more stable and less demanding.
I hesitate to do such a "radical" thing however lest I break something and leave myself essentially bereft of computer. I can't afford to do that. As I have said a couple of times previously, I have insufficient knowledge of Linux myself and have no local resources to draw on to compensate for this insufficiency.
In particular, installing a new OS or upgrading an old one often seems to involve mucking about with "partitions" of the hard drive. I don't grok partitions and when I get called upon, by an installer program, to make some choice in respect of partitions I collapse in terror lest my choice causes some vital part of the file system to be erased.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
All you need is another storage drive to freshly install on, so that you can safely exclude the existing one with the data on it from the installation process. All the rest are excuses not to do what is recommended. The credibility of the CentOS is already explained in enough places.
Elvis has left the building.
poma
On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote:
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a more recent version of Thunderbird to run?
Get CentOS 7 Now https://www.centos.org/download/ CentOS mailing list http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
poma
On 07/11/2014 11:12 PM, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 02:27, Rolf Turner wrote:
So how might I upgrade to the latest version? I must confess that I am running a very elderly version of Fedora (17, to be explicit). I don't dare try to upgrade my Fedora version, given what I have read on this list about the problems that are involved with such upgrades. I cannot afford to be stuck with a broken system. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to fix a broken system and I have no local resources to give me assistance.
Would I need a more recent version of Fedora in order to get a more recent version of Thunderbird to run?
Get CentOS 7 Now https://www.centos.org/download/ CentOS mailing list http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
poma
I'm no expert, but in my experience, Thunderbird runs on just about anything. I have run it on a bunch of different Linux distros without any hassle at all. It usually comes bundled with the OS as a "ready to run" app. It also runs in all versions of Windows.
I haven't read everything in this thread, so I don't know if you have brought your specific problem to the attention of Mozilla, but you probably should. When you do, make sure you include both your Linux distro and revision, and your hardware specifications, especially the mother board make and version, the processor, the amount of memory, the free space on your hard drive, and the size of your swap partition.
You can get most of this information by running, from a terminal, su (input your root password) lshw
You can copy and paste from a terminal window by highlighting the lines and then pressing ctrl + shift + c all at once. If you want to save the output, paste a copy into a simple editor like Kate and save it.
It may help if you know the time and date when the problem showed up, if you know it, and pass on the name of your Internet provider.
The Mozilla website says this about Linux requirements: "Linux "Software Requirements "Please note that Linux distributors may provide packages for your distribution which have different requirements.
"Thunderbird will not run at all without the following libraries or packages: GTK+ 2.18 or higher GLib 2.22 or higher Pango 1.14 or higher X.Org 1.0 or higher (1.7 or higher is recommended) libstdc++ 4.3 or higher
"For optimal functionality, we recommend the following libraries or packages: NetworkManager 0.7 or higher DBus 1.0 or higher HAL 0.5.8 or higher GNOME 2.16 or higher"
Good luck!
--doug
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
That's a good question. Have you tried asking here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird
On 12/07/14 12:20, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/11/2014 04:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote:
Has anyone any insight into why this unsubscription phenomenon should occur and how one might prevent it from occurring?
That's a good question. Have you tried asking here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird
Well, I ***hadn't*** but I have just tried. Signed up an posted my question. Wish me luck!
cheers,
Rolf
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Rolf Turner sent:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do a really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things terribly.
On 07/12/2014 08:34 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Rolf Turner sent:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do a really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things terribly.
Though I am not experiencing the OP's issue, I am also experiencing thunderbird IMAP access issues. ATM I suspect (Note: Wild guess, no proof!) to be related to systemd and NetworkManager restarts, esp. upon updates.
Ralf
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things
terribly.
Though I am not experiencing the OP's issue, I am also experiencing thunderbird IMAP access issues. ATM I suspect (Note: Wild guess, no proof!) to be related to systemd and NetworkManager restarts, esp. upon updates.
Have you tried connecting to the same IMAP server with a different client, e.g. Evolution, Mutt, Claws, ...?
poc
On 13/07/14 03:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things
terribly.
Though I am not experiencing the OP's issue, I am also experiencing thunderbird IMAP access issues. ATM I suspect (Note: Wild guess, no proof!) to be related to systemd and NetworkManager restarts, esp. upon updates.
Have you tried connecting to the same IMAP server with a different client, e.g. Evolution, Mutt, Claws, ...?
Well, not recently!
When I first joined the U. of Orcland, the Stats department had a very good in-house IT consultant who helped me to get set up. That was a while ago, and he is, sad to say, long gone. My recollection is that he tried to get Evolution to work, and then Mutt, but there were problems. Can't remember what. Then we got Thunderbird to fly (! :-) ) and since then I have stuck with the devil I know.
Thunderbird works fine for me *most* of the time; just occasionally I get these annoying subscribe glitches happening.
I hesitate to fool about experimenting with things that I don't understand completely, lest I inadvertently do some serious damage to the system. It would be very difficult for me to repair such damage if it occurred, since my comprehension of the subtleties of the OS is very limited (I just use recipes!) and I have effectively no useful help to draw upon. As I said in another email, the IT people at the U. of Orcland are not very helpful to me. (To be fair, at one time they put in a lot of time on some problems that I was having, got nowhere with these problems and got sick of it.)
So I don't feel like mucking about with Evolution or Mutt or .... I would waste endless time --- it takes me forever to figure things out --- even if I didn't perpetrate a disaster.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
On 07/13/2014 01:54 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 13/07/14 03:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things
terribly.
Though I am not experiencing the OP's issue, I am also experiencing thunderbird IMAP access issues. ATM I suspect (Note: Wild guess, no proof!) to be related to systemd and NetworkManager restarts, esp. upon updates.
Have you tried connecting to the same IMAP server with a different client, e.g. Evolution, Mutt, Claws, ...?
Well, not recently!
Same here.
This crux of these issues is them occurring sporadically and non-deterministically.
Thunderbird works fine for me *most* of the time; just occasionally I get these annoying subscribe glitches happening.
Same experience here.
This crux of these issues is them occurring sporadically and non-deterministically/non-reproducable.
Suddenly, I am facing duplicated mails. Suddenly, filters stop working but are back after rebooting. Sometimes, thunderbird becomes non-reactive for minutes longer periods (several minutes), but is back afterwards. Sometimes, I find corrupted mails. ...
Simply, many small and sporadic issues occurring every now and then and no idea where and what to look for.
Ralf
On 07/13/2014 06:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/13/2014 08:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Sometimes, thunderbird becomes non-reactive for minutes longer periods (several minutes), but is back afterwards.
Next time that happens, run top to see if it's working its little ass off or just taking a nap.
Sure, I can try to do that - Right now, I am suspecting caching isn't always working, and thunderbird could be re-downloading/re-indexing everything from remote ;)
However, the amount of cut'n'pastos in my reply reminds me about another issue which is haunting me for years: Sometimes, c'n'p during editing mails appears to be visually deleting contents, but not to delete it from mails being sent out. I would not want to exclude it just has happened in before-mentioned mail - Surely this could also have been a PEBKAC ;)
Ralf
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
[....]
This is surely not an answer you would expect, but: Thunderbird is badly suited to handle big amounts of mail. So if you are subscribing to some (a lot of?) mailing lists, you should consider using a MUA which is capable to handle them. I for myself use mutt when at home, and mew for IMAP access. If you like having a GUI, I would recommend sylpheed to you. There's some more of quite capable MUAs out there, just try them all and choose what you like the most.
http://www.mutt.org/ http://www.mew.org/en/ http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
On Jul 12, 2014 3:57 PM, "Heinz Diehl" htd@fritha.org wrote:
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders.
[....]
This is surely not an answer you would expect, but: Thunderbird is badly suited to handle big amounts of mail. So if you are subscribing to some (a lot of?) mailing lists, you should consider using a MUA which is capable to handle them. I for myself use mutt when at home, and mew for IMAP access. If you like having a GUI, I would recommend sylpheed to you. There's some more of quite capable MUAs out there, just try them all and choose what you like the most.
I have been using t-bird for many years. I have quite a bit of email and over 40 folders and I have no problems.
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