Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
You have a Nvidia 9400GT "based" card. Who is the card manufacture? Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, ZOTAC, ... ? What is the actual model number?
FWIW, not all vendor/configurations are equal and features may, and do, vary by product.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
You have a Nvidia 9400GT "based" card. Who is the card manufacture? Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, ZOTAC, ... ?
Asus.
What is the actual model number?
No idea. OEM package.
FWIW, not all vendor/configurations are equal and features may, and do, vary by product.
I checked Asus for my Twinview problem and there was only one message relating to Twinview and it had to do with DVI-D:
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Forum- DVI-D doesn't work DVI-D works for me on my Sony Wega HDTV, with and without TwinView. Windows XP with VGA as primary CRT, DVI as secondary DFP. ... vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us... - Cached
I don't believe I'll fidn much on Asus' site. It's apparently not the forum where people go when they have problems.
I wonder how much Asus modifies the card and if it's not only relabeling for tax purposes.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
You have a Nvidia 9400GT "based" card. Who is the card manufacture? Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, ZOTAC, ... ?
Asus.
What is the actual model number?
No idea. OEM package.
Is this a discrete card or is it embedded on the motherboard?
If it is a discrete card, can you remove it and really check? I've had Asus cards and the number was embossed on the card. If it is embedded on the motherboard then what is the model number of the motherboard.
What is the output of "lspci -v"?
FWIW, not all vendor/configurations are equal and features may, and do, vary by product.
I checked Asus for my Twinview problem and there was only one message relating to Twinview and it had to do with DVI-D:
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Forum- DVI-D doesn't work DVI-D works for me on my Sony Wega HDTV, with and without TwinView. Windows XP with VGA as primary CRT, DVI as secondary DFP. ... vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us... - Cached
I don't believe I'll fidn much on Asus' site. It's apparently not the forum where people go when they have problems.
Why are you talking about Twinview here when the subject is "sound"?
I wonder how much Asus modifies the card and if it's not only relabeling for tax purposes.
Isn't that the point of my questions?
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
What is the output of "lspci -v"?
00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022 Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 Memory at fe024000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation D9M-20 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82be Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18 Memory at fa000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at f8000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at ef00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at fb000000 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information <?> Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel <?> Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?> Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information <?> Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia, nouveau, nvidiafb
FWIW, not all vendor/configurations are equal and features may, and do, vary by product.
I checked Asus for my Twinview problem and there was only one message relating to Twinview and it had to do with DVI-D:
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Forum- DVI-D doesn't work DVI-D works for me on my Sony Wega HDTV, with and without TwinView. Windows XP with VGA as primary CRT, DVI as secondary DFP. ... vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us... - Cached
I don't believe I'll find much on Asus' site. It's apparently not the forum where people go when they have problems.
Why are you talking about Twinview here when the subject is "sound"?
Because I have no problem getting sound from my computer outputs, only on teh TV using Twinview. Besides, this is the kind of stuff I'll have to go through:
Honestly, I can't stand it no more.
I wonder how much Asus modifies the card and if it's not only relabeling for tax purposes.
Isn't that the point of my questions?
If there was any sense in going to the Asus forum, don't you think I would have been told on NVIDIA forums?
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
What is the output of "lspci -v"?
00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022 Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 Memory at fe024000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation D9M-20 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82be Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18 Memory at fa000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at f8000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at ef00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at fb000000 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information <?> Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel <?> Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting <?> Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information <?> Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia, nouveau, nvidiafb
Too bad you have chosen to not answer the other questions....
FWIW, not all vendor/configurations are equal and features may, and do, vary by product.
I checked Asus for my Twinview problem and there was only one message relating to Twinview and it had to do with DVI-D:
ASUSTeK Computer Inc.-Forum- DVI-D doesn't work DVI-D works for me on my Sony Wega HDTV, with and without TwinView. Windows XP with VGA as primary CRT, DVI as secondary DFP. ... vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?SLanguage=en-us... - Cached
I don't believe I'll find much on Asus' site. It's apparently not the forum where people go when they have problems.
Why are you talking about Twinview here when the subject is "sound"?
Because I have no problem getting sound from my computer outputs, only on teh TV using Twinview. Besides, this is the kind of stuff I'll have to go through:
Honestly, I can't stand it no more.
I wonder how much Asus modifies the card and if it's not only relabeling for tax purposes.
Isn't that the point of my questions?
If there was any sense in going to the Asus forum, don't you think I would have been told on NVIDIA forums?
I still don't understand why you are mixing twinview with sound....but never mind.
Good luck...
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
What is the output of "lspci -v"?
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82be
I still don't understand why you are mixing twinview with sound....but never mind.
Check the preceding line. Do you really believe my eyes could tell you more than software scanning hardware? This would be very unusual.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
What is the output of "lspci -v"?
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82beI still don't understand why you are mixing twinview with sound....but never mind.
Check the preceding line. Do you really believe my eyes could tell you more than software scanning hardware? This would be very unusual.
You did not answer the question....
Is your graphics card a discrete card or embedded on the motherboard?
and
Can your remove the card and look at it for a model number?
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Bill Davidsen davidsen@tmr.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector?
What do you have to do to achieve this? Pulseaudio seems enabled.
Here's what I can find:
ps ax | grep pulseaudio 1551 ? S<sl 0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC888 Analog [ALC888 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC888 Digital [ALC888 Digital]
Note: Both my monitor and TV, of course, are in digital mode.
========================
From nvidia-bug-report
NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 190.53 Wed Dec 9 15:29:46 PST 2009 vgaarb: device changed decodes: PCI:0000:01:00.0,olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=none:owns=io+mem hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC888, trying auto-probe from BIOS... ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3862: autoconfig: line_outs=4 (0x14/0x15/0x16/0x17/0x0) ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3866: speaker_outs=0 (0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3870: hp_outs=1 (0x1b/0x0/0x0/0x0/0x0) ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3871: mono: mono_out=0x0 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3874: dig-out=0x1e/0x0 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3882: inputs: mic=0x18, fmic=0x19, line=0x1a, fline=0x0, cd=0x1c, aux=0x0 ALSA sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c:3884: dig-in=0x1f ALSA sound/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c:1197: realtek: Enabling init ASM_ID=0xe601 CODEC_ID=10ec0888 input: HDA Digital PCBeep as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.2/input/input5 type=1400 audit(1264361533.267:4): avc: denied { mmap_zero } for pid=599 comm="vbetool"
===========================
pulseaudio --dump-conf ### Read from configuration file: /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ### daemonize = no fail = yes high-priority = yes nice-level = -11 realtime-scheduling = yes realtime-priority = 5 allow-module-loading = yes allow-exit = yes use-pid-file = yes system-instance = no cpu-limit = no enable-shm = yes flat-volumes = yes lock-memory = no exit-idle-time = 20 scache-idle-time = 20 dl-search-path = /usr/lib64/pulse-0.9.21/modules default-script-file = /etc/pulse/default.pa load-default-script-file = yes log-target = auto log-level = notice resample-method = auto enable-remixing = yes enable-lfe-remixing = no default-sample-format = s16le default-sample-rate = 44100 default-sample-channels = 2 default-channel-map = front-left,front-right default-fragments = 4 default-fragment-size-msec = 25 shm-size-bytes = 0 log-meta = no log-time = no log-backtrace = 0 rlimit-fsize = -1 rlimit-data = -1 rlimit-stack = -1 rlimit-core = -1 rlimit-rss = -1 rlimit-as = -1 rlimit-nproc = -1 rlimit-nofile = 256 rlimit-memlock = -1 rlimit-locks = -1 rlimit-sigpending = -1 rlimit-msgqueue = -1 rlimit-nice = 31 rlimit-rtprio = 9 rlimit-rttime = 1000000
pulseaudio --dump-modules module-alsa-card ALSA Card module-alsa-sink ALSA Sink module-alsa-source ALSA Source module-always-sink Always keeps at least one sink loaded even if it's a null one module-augment-properties Augment the property sets of streams with additional static information module-card-restore Automatically restore profile of cards module-cli Command line interface module-cli-protocol-tcp Command line interface protocol (TCP sockets) module-cli-protocol-unix Command line interface protocol (UNIX sockets) module-combine Combine multiple sinks to one module-console-kit Create a client for each ConsoleKit session of this user module-cork-music-on-phone Mute or cork music while a phone stream exists module-default-device-restore Automatically restore the default sink and source module-device-manager Keep track of devices (and their descriptions) both past and present and prioritise by role module-device-restore Automatically restore the volume/mute state of devices module-esound-compat-spawnfd ESOUND compatibility module: -spawnfd emulation module-esound-compat-spawnpid ESOUND compatibility module: -spawnpid emulation module-esound-protocol-tcp ESOUND protocol (TCP sockets) module-esound-protocol-unix ESOUND protocol (UNIX sockets) module-esound-sink ESOUND Sink module-gconf GConf Adapter module-hal-detect Compatibility module module-http-protocol-tcp HTTP (TCP sockets) module-http-protocol-unix HTTP (UNIX sockets) module-intended-roles Automatically set device of streams based of intended roles of devices module-ladspa-sink Virtual LADSPA sink module-loopback Loopback from source to sink module-match Playback stream expression matching module module-mmkbd-evdev Multimedia keyboard support via Linux evdev module-native-protocol-fd Native protocol autospawn helper module-native-protocol-tcp Native protocol (TCP sockets) module-native-protocol-unix Native protocol (UNIX sockets) module-null-sink Clocked NULL sink module-position-event-sounds Position event sounds between L and R depending on the position on screen of the widget triggering them. module-remap-sink Virtual channel remapping sink module-rescue-streams When a sink/source is removed, try to move their streams to the default sink/source module-rtp-recv Receive data from a network via RTP/SAP/SDP module-rtp-send Read data from source and send it to the network via RTP/SAP/SDP module-rygel-media-server UPnP MediaServer Plugin for Rygel module-simple-protocol-tcp Simple protocol (TCP sockets) module-simple-protocol-unix Simple protocol (UNIX sockets) module-sine Sine wave generator module-sine-source Sine wave generator source module-stream-restore Automatically restore the volume/mute/device state of streams module-suspend-on-idle When a sink/source is idle for too long, suspend it module-tunnel-sink Tunnel module for sinks module-tunnel-source Tunnel module for sources module-udev-detect Detect available audio hardware and load matching drivers module-volume-restore Compatibility module module-x11-bell X11 bell interceptor module-x11-cork-request Synthesize X11 media key events when cork/uncork is requested module-x11-publish X11 credential publisher module-x11-xsmp X11 session management
pulseaudio --dump-resample-methods src-sinc-best-quality src-sinc-medium-quality src-sinc-fastest src-zero-order-hold src-linear trivial speex-float-0 speex-float-1 (...) speex-float-10 speex-fixed-0 speex-fixed-1 (...) speex-fixed-10 ffmpeg auto copy peaks
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
FWIW, this also seems to indicate that the Nvidia drivers are not used for this function.
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 17:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
FWIW, this also seems to indicate that the Nvidia drivers are not used for this functions.
I second that. Is one of your sound card connected via a pass-through to the graphics card? Is it configured correctly in the gnome-volume-control applet under output devices? (Accessible from both GNOME and KDE)
- Gilboa
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to work....I wonder why you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers. The product is not a Nvidia product...but an Asus product.
We also don't have enough information on the card itself. Nor do we have any information on what your sound system is or where you've connected the spdif cable. You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation. It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there is no wire going to it. So, I would even question if you have the cable installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
On 01/25/2010 03:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed GreshkoEd.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to work....I wonder why you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers. The product is not a Nvidia product...but an Asus product.
We also don't have enough information on the card itself. Nor do we have any information on what your sound system is or where you've connected the spdif cable. You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation. It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there is no wire going to it. So, I would even question if you have the cable installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
There are several things at work here:
1: aplay --list-devices
If only the onboard sound devices show up, then: A: You are not connected correctly (hardware) -- recheck the wiring. B: That card does NOT do audio out via HDMI -- recheck card specifications.
2: You may need to use alsamixer to force pulseaudio to use the right card: A alsamixer -C N (where N == card number from aplay listing) B: make sure nothing is muted in alsamixer C: alsactl store N (where N == card number) D: Check the GNOME audio again and set as appropriate
Some TVs will allow a mix of HDMI in on one channel and audio in on another channel, just for this type of situation where the source cannot do audio over HDMI. My son has a TV like that.
Good Luck!
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Phil Meyer pmeyer@themeyerfarm.com wrote:
On 01/25/2010 03:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed GreshkoEd.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to work....I wonder why you were bitching about Nvidia and the drivers. The product is not a Nvidia product...but an Asus product.
We also don't have enough information on the card itself. Nor do we have any information on what your sound system is or where you've connected the spdif cable. You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation. It is more than likely a "key hole" since you state there is no wire going to it. So, I would even question if you have the cable installed correctly or even to the correct pin block on your system.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
There are several things at work here:
1: aplay --list-devices
This is the same as aplay -l and I already provided the output:
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC888 Analog [ALC888 Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 1: ALC888 Digital [ALC888 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
If only the onboard sound devices
I only have onboard sound devices. The TV's amplifier will never appear as a sound device.
OTOH, and this seems like AN INTERESTING QUESTION, how come I can only get analog output on my computer jacks. Maybe the TV needs digital input, which i can't provide?
Some TVs will allow a mix of HDMI in on one channel and audio in on another channel, just for this type of situation where the source cannot do audio over HDMI. My son has a TV like that.
I know this but I'd rather have things work like they're supposed to.
I BELIEVE NY PROBLEM WITH SOUND IS I CAN'T GET DIGITAL OUTPUT FROM THE COMPUTER"
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Since you now appear to know how it is supposed to work....
I know how it's supposed to work and I know it doesn't.
We also don't have enough information on the card itself.
ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
Nor do we have any information on what your sound system is
lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an amplifier and speakers.
This is very plain in my first post:
"The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
or where you've connected the spdif cable.
To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation.
Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready
This is the first time you've indicated the actual card number....
When asked previously you said...
Q. Who is the card manufacture? A. Asus.
Q. What is the actual model number? A. No idea. OEM package.
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
lspci is now totally irrelevant....and even if it were it doesn't tell you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G...."
lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an amplifier and speakers.
You don't have a sound system? OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...
You've got to have a sound card of some sort.
This is very plain in my first post:
"The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
or where you've connected the spdif cable.
To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.
You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation.
Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are used! As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there *will* be 4 pins on the out plug! That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G (LP) GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready
This is the first time you've indicated the actual card number....
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
lspci is now totally irrelevant....and even if it were it doesn't tell you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G...."
What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek. EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an amplifier and speakers.
You don't have a sound system? OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...
You've got to have a sound card of some sort.
Yeeeees, once again, it's integrated in the mobo.
This is very plain in my first post:
"The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
or where you've connected the spdif cable.
To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.
I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and you ask if I have a discrete sound card?
Besides lspci -v says:
Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation.
Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are used! As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there *will* be 4 pins on the out plug! That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
Ed, I believe you're getting tired. Sometimes, when you try to hard, you get obnubilated. I suggest you take a day off.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card. Besides, if someone is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't you just answer the question?
Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
lspci is now totally irrelevant....and even if it were it doesn't tell you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G...."
What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek. EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
Doesn't matter...
lspci told you that. Otherwise, I don't have a sound system. As I said, I'm trying to connect it to a TV... which like all TVs has an amplifier and speakers.
You don't have a sound system? OK, maybe you misunderstand my question...
You've got to have a sound card of some sort.
Yeeeees, once again, it's integrated in the mobo.
This is very plain in my first post:
"The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV."
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364853.html
or where you've connected the spdif cable.
To the motherboard since that's where the sound chip is.
I just love the way you pick and chose what information to give...as if we are supposed to know your sound chip is on the mother board.
I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and you ask if I have a discrete sound card?
Besides lspci -v says:
Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.
You've said that one of the cables holes was blocked....but many times that is quite normal. That could be the "key hole" that would prevent one from installing cable in the wrong orientation.
Not a keyhole. The s/pdif out plug has 4 pins.
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are used! As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there *will* be 4 pins on the out plug! That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
Humm...could explain why I have no children...
Ed, I believe you're getting tired. Sometimes, when you try to hard, you get obnubilated. I suggest you take a day off.
No...just no coffee....
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
Besides, if someone is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't you just answer the question?
Well, you see, I already opened the computer thrice for this problem. Before i opened it for a fourth time, I would have liked to know the reason why.
Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...
You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest away from this problem.
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
lspci is now totally irrelevant....and even if it were it doesn't tell you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G...."
What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek. EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
Doesn't matter...
I don't think so either. Once again, what are the other 9400GT models that are so different?
I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and you ask if I have a discrete sound card?
Besides lspci -v says:
Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.
Why would a discrete sound card have a reference to Gigabyte? Giga doesn't make sound cards.
You've said that one of the cables holes was
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are used! As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there *will* be 4 pins on the out plug! That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
Humm...could explain why I have no children...
Yup! I believe you've been looking too much for the key hole :)
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2 EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2 EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP) EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP) EN9400GT/HTP/512M
And a few others....
You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest away from this problem.
OK.... Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2 EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2 EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP) EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP) EN9400GT/HTP/512M
It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.
Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what difference does it make?
You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest away from this problem.
OK.... Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.
As you wish.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2 EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2 EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP) EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP) EN9400GT/HTP/512M
It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.
Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what difference does it make?
Some do not support HDMI.
When doing research I prefer to deal with precise information. You want a "very precise solution" yet you don't think it important to provide "very precise information".
You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest away from this problem.
OK.... Unless I know exactly how to help you without asking any questions I will stop to help you with any of your problems.
As you wish.
And it will be a lot more fun to watch.... :-)
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
EN9400GT D3/HTP/512M EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2 EN9400GT SILENT/DI/512MD2/V2 EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP) EN9400GT/DI/512MD2(LP) EN9400GT/HTP/512M
It's all the same card. One is low profile, another not (This is just how the components are laid out on the card The LP is longer, the other is higher). One come with s/pdif wire, another with HDMI cable and DVI adapter. One has 512 MB RAM, the other 1G. Etc.
Ok, so now that you know that mine is a EN9400GT/DI/1GD2(LP), what difference does it make?
Some do not support HDMI.
If i tell you that I plugged the TV to the card with an HDMI cable, it must be that the card supports HDMI.
This will be my last reply on the matter. You're acting a little abstruse here.
Marcel Rieux wrote:
If i tell you that I plugged the TV to the card with an HDMI cable, it must be that the card supports HDMI.
Too bad you still don't get it.....
Yes, *your* card supports HDMI ... but if I am going search the Internet for information on *your* card it would be best to know *exactly* what your card is....and not have to guess.
I wonder if you give your doctor similar responses. :-)
This will be my last reply on the matter. You're acting a little abstruse here.
Glad to hear that....
On 01/25/2010 07:41 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Ed GreshkoEd.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
My first message:
"I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card."
Whether it's an Asus or an MSI, it's always a 9400GT card. Otherwise, you wouldn't know what you're talking about.
There is *more* than one model of Asus 9400GT card.
Really. What are they?
Besides, if someone is trying to help you and asks you to be more specific...they why can't you just answer the question?
Well, you see, I already opened the computer thrice for this problem. Before i opened it for a fourth time, I would have liked to know the reason why.
Kind of make me want to stop trying to help...
You've been very helpful in the past Ed but, as I said, unless you see a very precise solution, maybe it's time for you to take a little rest away from this problem.
You also have the report from lspci. If can find on the net an Asus graphic card that's better identified, provide the URL, I'll open the case.
lspci is now totally irrelevant....and even if it were it doesn't tell you "ASUS EN9400GT/DI/1G...."
What lspci told you is information entered in the card by Asustek. EN9400GT, was in my first message, then I told you it was an Asus. The info you now seem to consider relevant tells you nothing more, except the card has 1GB RAM, cause some have 512 MB.
Doesn't matter...
I don't think so either. Once again, what are the other 9400GT models that are so different?
I'm referring to the arrow on the plug facing this or that side of the motherboard, never a word about a discrete sound card, and you ask if I have a discrete sound card?
Besides lspci -v says:
Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a022
What would Giga-byte have to do in a discrete audio card?
From this information I cannot tell if the sound chip is integrated on the motherboard or on an discrete audio card.
Why would a discrete sound card have a reference to Gigabyte? Giga doesn't make sound cards.
You've said that one of the cables holes was
Just because the spdif out plug has 4 pins does not mean all pins are used! As a matter of fact, if the plugged hole is a "key hole" there *will* be 4 pins on the out plug! That is the whole (pun intended) purpose.
The mobo has 4 male pins -- excuse the pleonasm -- for s/pdif out in a little casing. The plug has 4 female holes, one of which is obstructed. How do you get the plug in if you don't open the plugged hole: a pin will be facing the plugged hole.
Humm...could explain why I have no children...
Yup! I believe you've been looking too much for the key hole :)
Just a little note, I don't have the answer to your problem ...
The S/PDIF interface only needs 2 wires from the motherboard to your video card, signal and ground. Usually there is another pin that carries 5 volts used to power a fiber optic interface cable. If you are connecting to a 4 pin header on the motherboard, are you sure you are using the s/pdif connector? My Intel board only has three pins on the s/pdif header.
Regards,
John
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, john wendel jwendel10@comcast.net wrote:
Just a little note, I don't have the answer to your problem ...
The S/PDIF interface only needs 2 wires from the motherboard to your video card, signal and ground.
If you are connecting to a 4 pin header on the motherboard, are you sure you are using the s/pdif connector?
Yes. There's even a little paper card that comes the 9400GT that tells you the 4 holes side ot the cable should be inserted in the S/PDIF out of the mobo. S\PDIF OUT is written right beside the male plug.
On Monday 25 January 2010 03:04:49 pm Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Ive never heard of such a config for hdmi. My myth box does hdmi out i plug a hdmi cable from the computer to the tv. audio and video both go over the same cable. Selecting the right profile in pulse audio activated things correctly. i get sound though my tv. due to the way hdmi works you do not get volume control on your computer. it passes a constant signal which the end device uses to control volume. likely the device is muted by default.
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
Dennis
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Monday 25 January 2010 03:04:49 pm Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
That is actually a very good question....
Everything I would find out about ASUS Nvidia 9400GT based cards (assuming this is an actual card) is that the spdif cable is simply a pass though. One connects the spdif cable from the graphics card to either a sound card connector or motherboard connector (depending on your system and its configuration) and sound is simply passed through to the HDMI.
That's how it's *supposed* to work.
Ive never heard of such a config for hdmi. My myth box does hdmi out i plug a hdmi cable from the computer to the tv. audio and video both go over the same cable.
Same here. Read carefully what is said about the s/pdif cable. If you have an ATI card, you don't have one.
Selecting the right profile in pulse audio activated things correctly. i get sound though my tv.
Glad for you! How do you select the profile in pulseaudio, if not by right clicking the speaker icon in the top panel, like was explained in preceding messages?
due to the way hdmi works you do not get volume control on your computer. it passes a constant signal which the end device uses to control volume. likely the device is muted by default.
The sound control on the TV is the same whether the input is TV or HDMI(3, here). Would you believe I didn't mute the sound on the TV to complain there is no sound?
So, one needs to ensure the output is configured correctly.
The only relevant configuration I see for sound is under the hardware tab. Anything analog gives an output on the computer, anything digital gives no output. In both cases, there is no output on the TV.
No comment about this? If this is the way to do the configuration, then you shouldn't suggest I should configure pulseaudio. If it's not you should correct.
On 01/23/2010 10:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
One thing to keep in mind when configuring PA to output over the HDMI cable is that this is a digital output. The default configuration is to use the analog output, because this is what most people use. (Speakers hooked to the line out jack.)
PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select the one you want. I am not sure if you can use both at once...
Mikkel
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
On 01/23/2010 10:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Marcel Rieux wrote:
Since the NVIDIA forums are just a lost of time, I'll first ask the question here.
I have an NVIDIA 9400GT card and a Sony LCD TV linked with an HDMI cable.
First problem I found: the S/PDIF cable -- which is needed only with NVIDIA cards -- wasn't installed. The plug had a molding problem and one of the 4 holes was blocked. (The hole was just empty: no wire going to it.) I opened it with a pin, installed it with the arrow facing the closest part of the motherboard, reversed it, and, of course, sound doesn't come out of the TV. It's an Nvidia product!
Anybody got this working?
Did you get PulseAudio to send output to the connector? Many times this is a PA config issue.
One thing to keep in mind when configuring PA to output over the HDMI cable is that this is a digital output. The default configuration is to use the analog output, because this is what most people use. (Speakers hooked to the line out jack.)
PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select the one you want.
As I said, when I select digital output, there is no output whatsoever, computer or tv. Is an additional driver needed?
On 01/25/2010 09:27 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select the one you want.
As I said, when I select digital output, there is no output whatsoever, computer or tv. Is an additional driver needed?
No - you do not need another driver. But you do need the proper connection between the motherboard and the video card. Making the wrong connection can damage the video card, or the motherboard.
On the motherboards I have seen with the SPDIF connector, the connector has been a 3 pin connector. [+5 SPDIF_OUT Ground]. The video card usually has 2 pins. (SPDIF_IN and Ground, if I remember correctly.) There will also be some 4 pin audio connectors, but theres are normally analog in/out connectors. Are you sure you are using the corrector on the motherboard?
Mikkel
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
On 01/25/2010 09:27 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select the one you want.
As I said, when I select digital output, there is no output whatsoever, computer or tv. Is an additional driver needed?
No - you do not need another driver. But you do need the proper connection between the motherboard and the video card. Making the wrong connection can damage the video card, or the motherboard.
On the motherboards I have seen with the SPDIF connector, the connector has been a 3 pin connector. [+5 SPDIF_OUT Ground]. The video card usually has 2 pins. (SPDIF_IN and Ground, if I remember correctly.) There will also be some 4 pin audio connectors, but theres are normally analog in/out connectors. Are you sure you are using the corrector on the motherboard?
Everything corresponds to the documentation I have.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Marcel Rieux m.z.rieux@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
On 01/25/2010 09:27 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
PA supports both analog and digital output, but you have to select the one you want.
As I said, when I select digital output, there is no output whatsoever, computer or tv. Is an additional driver needed?
No - you do not need another driver. But you do need the proper connection between the motherboard and the video card. Making the wrong connection can damage the video card, or the motherboard.
On the motherboards I have seen with the SPDIF connector, the connector has been a 3 pin connector. [+5 SPDIF_OUT Ground]. The video card usually has 2 pins. (SPDIF_IN and Ground, if I remember correctly.) There will also be some 4 pin audio connectors, but theres are normally analog in/out connectors. Are you sure you are using the corrector on the motherboard?
Everything corresponds to the documentation I have.
And, besides, as I already said, digital sound doesn't come out of the computer's output. So this has nothing to do with the S/PDIF wire.
On 01/26/2010 06:09 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
And, besides, as I already said, digital sound doesn't come out of the computer's output. So this has nothing to do with the S/PDIF wire.
If you have selected to use only the digital output, you are NOT going to get sound out of the analog outputs on your computer. You do know that you can not hook speakers directly to the digital output, right?
The internal SPDIF wire is what carries the digital audio. In this case, you need to carry the digital audio from the motherboard digital out connector to the video card digital in connector. This is then passed to the TV through the HDMI cable, along with the digital video.
Depending on your motherboard, you may also have one or more external SPDIF connectors. I have seen what looks like an RCA jack for digital output on the back of a computer. I have also seen a fiber-optical jack. I have one computer that has both digital in and digital out RCA connectors on the back panel. I have yet to see SPDIF requiring more then signal and ground. (Unless you also need to power something with the same cable.) If your motherboard does not have built-in sound, or you are not using it, then the sound card will have some of the same connection, depending on the card.
The thing to keep in mind is that most of the audio you are going to be working with is in digital format. It is converted to analog output by the DAC in your sound card. It also has an ADC to convert analog to digital. This is how you record from the mic or aux input.
Now, it you are trying to connect one end of your SPDIF cable to a 4 pin connector on your motherboard, then I am 95% sure you are trying to use the wrong connector.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
On 01/26/2010 06:09 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
And, besides, as I already said, digital sound doesn't come out of the computer's output. So this has nothing to do with the S/PDIF wire.
(SNIP, be back tomorrow)
Meanwhile... I checked the diagram in the user's manual and the 4 pin plug seems to be for the CD in... thought there's nothing connected to it. Right beside it, are 2 pins with S/PDIF out written near it. The problem is, on the mobo, the S/PDIF out seems to be for the 4 pins.
Anyway, this might explain why one hole was plugged. I'll see tomorrow.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
So, you were right. On the motherboard, the sockets and the labelling are dephased.
|··| [Nothing]
|····| [S/PDIF out]
|···|
T··he first socket, with 2 pins, has no labelling beside it, the second, with 4 pins, has s/pdif out beside it. the third, with
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
So, you were right. On the motherboard, the sockets and the labelling are dephased.
|··| [Nothing]
|····| [S/PDIF out]
|···| [CD out]
[S/PDIF in]
So, all the labelling should be pushed up one socket. Since the S/PDIF plug had four pings and fitted perfectly in the second socket... once the 3rd of 4 holes was unplugged, I looked no further.
So, the S/PDIF wire is now in the right plug and... sound still doesn't get out on the TV. Maybe this has to do with Alsamixer defaulting on "Default", with only has a setting for "Master". This corresponds to the setting in the GNOME top panel.
If I press F6, my integrated audio card appears as 0 - HDA ATI SB
I make all my settings, but it has not effect: it seems the Default is always enabled.
How do I make my audio chip the default?
On 01/29/2010 05:49 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
So, you were right. On the motherboard, the sockets and the labelling are dephased.
<-----------------------[SNIP]----------------->
So, the S/PDIF wire is now in the right plug and... sound still doesn't get out on the TV. Maybe this has to do with Alsamixer defaulting on "Default", with only has a setting for "Master". This corresponds to the setting in the GNOME top panel.
If I press F6, my integrated audio card appears as 0 - HDA ATI SB
I make all my settings, but it has not effect: it seems the Default is always enabled.
Make sure you have the polarity correct on your jumper. Hooking it up backwards can damage the video card and/or the sound card.
Then check your Pulse Audio settings to make sure you have the digital output enabled. This has already been covered in this thread...
Mikkel
aOn Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
On 01/29/2010 05:49 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
So, you were right. On the motherboard, the sockets and the labelling are dephased.
<-----------------------[SNIP]----------------->
So, the S/PDIF wire is now in the right plug and... sound still doesn't get out on the TV. Maybe this has to do with Alsamixer defaulting on "Default", with only has a setting for "Master". This corresponds to the setting in the GNOME top panel.
If I press F6, my integrated audio card appears as 0 - HDA ATI SB
I make all my settings, but it has not effect: it seems the Default is always enabled.
Make sure you have the polarity correct on your jumper. Hooking it up backwards can damage the video card and/or the sound card.
What's the way to know polarity is correct, except trying both positions? For now, the arrow on the plug is facing outwards.
Then check your Pulse Audio settings to make sure you have the digital output enabled. This has already been covered in this thread...
You wrote:
"If you have selected to use only the digital output, you are NOT going to get sound out of the analog outputs on your computer. You do know that you can not hook speakers directly to the digital output, right?"
... but i suppose that's not it.
I right clicked on the Speaker in the top panel, and tried every setting with digital in it: it doesn't work. I set alsamixer to have both analog and digital S/PDIF output enabled, then only digital out. No result. I suppose it is normal that you can't rise the volume since the TV controls the volume, the HDMI cable feeding a preamp signal.
Please note that, since Twinview doesn't work, I use 2 Xscreens. It's not possible, for instance, to run Firefox or any other applications on both screens at the same time.
It's impossible to have the notification area on the TV. So, I can only hope that the settings in the notification area are valid on the TV. But it seems so since what is in Klipper -- that I use with GNOME -- can be copied to gedit on the TV screen. So, this seems OK.
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 17:01 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote:
What's the way to know polarity is correct, except trying both positions?
Looking for pinout descriptions in your equipment manuals, or legends printed on/near connectors. Otherwise it's a case of using polarised plugs, which can only fit in one way.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 17:01 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote:
What's the way to know polarity is correct, except trying both positions?
Looking for pinout descriptions in your equipment manuals
There's only a small rectangle with S/PIF beside it.
or legends printed on/near connectors.
I could recheck, but I doubt there's any.
Otherwise it's a case of using polarised plugs, which can only fit in one way.
A 4 hole plug is used for 2 pins, so you can imagine that there's no polarity indication for sure :( The only measure taken is that one hole is obstructed so that only the 2 holes where the 2 wires end up can be used. But they can be used one way or another.
On 01/31/2010 02:01 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
A 4 hole plug is used for 2 pins, so you can imagine that there's no polarity indication for sure :( The only measure taken is that one hole is obstructed so that only the 2 holes where the 2 wires end up can be used. But they can be used one way or another.
What you may have is a header for 4 pins, but only 3 pins on the motherboard side. (I recall it was 3 pins for a previous message.) In that case, the blocked hole on the plug goes where the pin is missing on the header. I am not sure what you have on the video board side. It is also a good idea to read your motherboard and video card manuals.
In my case, I have it easy - there is a keyed 3 pin socket on the motherboard and a keyed 2 pin socket on the video card. As long as you have a proper cable, it is hard to get it wrong. :)
Mikkel
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Mikkel mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
What you may have is a header for 4 pins, but only 3 pins on the motherboard side. (I recall it was 3 pins for a previous message.)
... for s/pdif in, not out. "Out" has 2 pins and 'In' has 3 pins *side by side*, no empty space..
I am not sure what you have on the video board side. It is also a good idea to read your motherboard and video card manuals.
I did finally find the polarity for the two pins on the motherboard but it's not much help since I can't find polarity for the video card.
In my case, I have it easy - there is a keyed 3 pin socket on the motherboard and a keyed 2 pin socket on the video card. As long as you have a proper cable, it is hard to get it wrong. :)
I suppose I have the proper cable because, as I said, there is a small cardboard saying that "The four-holes black header goes to the internal S/PDIF-Out header on the motherboard. I will remove the video card to check if polarity is indicated.
Thanks to you and Tim.
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 18:49 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote:
sound still doesn't get out on the TV
Obvious questions:
Has SPDIF ever worked on the TV? And, with the input socket that you're currently trying to use.
Can you test your computer's output and the TV's input with other things?
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 18:49 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote:
sound still doesn't get out on the TV
Obvious questions:
Has SPDIF ever worked on the TV?
No.
Can you test your computer's output and the TV's input with other things?
Unfortunately, I don't have any other digital output or input than my computer and the TV. The HDMI cable is new.
Tim:
Has SPDIF ever worked on the TV?
Marcel Rieux:
No.
Hmm, then you're flying blind if you want to diagnose a problem. You won't know where the problem really is. You could have the TV set up wrong, or it might have a fault...
Can you test your computer's output and the TV's input with other things?
Unfortunately, I don't have any other digital output or input than my computer and the TV. The HDMI cable is new.
No DVD player? Digital outputs from a CD or DVD drive in the computer?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Tim:
No DVD player? Digital outputs from a CD or DVD drive in the computer?
Of course, I have a DVD player, and it doesn't work anymore than youtube: no sound.
I called Asus and their support is provided by shoe salesmen. (Skip)
I then called NVIDIA in California, the head office. They first told me that, despite offering proprietary drivers, plus settings and troubleshooting solftware, they don't offer Linux support. A first line support guy told me the problem might be with Asus not providing HDMI sound support with its version of the card.
And providing an S/PIDF wire just the same? Just for fun?
And it's "Why don't you go to our forum", where you're told that people there are mainly experiencing with multicore. And it's "Why don't you go tho nvnews" where the guy who owns the site pays for it with advertising and is not in any way an NVIDIA employee. So, wherever you go, you're stuck.
My feeling is NVIDIA produces a software that kinda works with Linux and then doesn't give a damn about it. They seem to think: "Hey! We don't provide code, we don't provide support, we just pocket the money! Why should we care?" Finally, after explaining at my long distance expense how this was ridiculous and that I would make it public, I was given this address:
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php
It seems there might be some Linux support limited Linux support after all. I'll see. This is the eighth time this URL is mentioned on the net!
So, back to business. My guess is if all my computer was assembled except the S/PDIF card, the store was aware of the problems they'd run into trying to make sound work through HDMI. They know nothing about Linux and they won't run around in cricles like I did. So, since I don't give a damn about 3D, the solution might be to scrap the NVIDIA 9400GT card and buy an ATI card.
Has anybody succeeded in getting the equivalent of TwinView working with ATI? I mean two monitor that show exactly the same desktop in correct ratios, meaning that if your principal monitor is 5x4, on a 16x9 screen, the sides will be black and there will be no attempt to stretch images? And 16x9 movies will show full width...
Do TV tuners work with ATI?
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