Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Many thanks in advance! :-D
Op ma, 29-05-2006 te 04:26 +0200, schreef LeBreton:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Many thanks in advance! :-D
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if it's an ethernet device ALL operating systems are supported as long as you get your network card running. Only thing you need to check is that the router/modem can be configured trough a web based interface or telnet/ssh.
basicaly you can pick up almost any elcheapo ethernet modem/router and it will work
personaly i use a D-LINK modem/router they have web interface and are not to expencive
if it's an ethernet device ALL operating systems are supported as long as you get your network card running. Only thing you need to check is that the router/modem can be configured trough a web based interface or telnet/ssh.
basicaly you can pick up almost any elcheapo ethernet modem/router and it will work
personaly i use a D-LINK modem/router they have web interface and are not to expencive
-- Facts are stubborn things
nightrid3r
I totally agree with the suggestion of getting a router. I also use D-Link at home, and we have a Linksys at the office (a small home or home/office one, nothing fancy). I run FC5 at home on my dual boot system, and at the office on one of the PCs connected (actually run it as a web server and have SSH set up on it as well using DynDNS free service because of the dynamic IP with our ISP).
And likewise they say they only support Windows & Mac meaning their help desk people only support those two operating systems. But other operating systems will work fine, just don't call them asking how to configure your PPOE on it. Some do support some routers now.
Bonne chance et amuses toi bien en Californie,
Jacques B.
LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Well, I'm an American, living in Taiwan...but I can still comment. :-)
When folks like AT&T claim that they only support Windows and Mac what they mean is that their support folks won't be able to help you if you run into trouble. Same holds true in Taiwan. But, that doesn't mean it won't work.
It has been a long time...but I had no problem to connect my Linux system directly to the ADSL modem. You may experience some issues, but they are not so hard to resolve and folks here would be helpful.
The other painless option is to buy a DSL router that connects to your ADSL modem and does all the work of authentication. Some are also wireless access points and all have ethernet hubs for connection sharing as well as providing a firewall.... D-Link makes a nice selection.
Ed
Hello Ed,
On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:12 +0800 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Well, I'm an American, living in Taiwan...but I can still comment. :-)
When folks like AT&T claim that they only support Windows and Mac what they mean is that their support folks won't be able to help you if you run into trouble. Same holds true in Taiwan. But, that doesn't mean it won't work.
[snip]
And it's the same here in France w/ French ISP's :-). Anyway most of the time, it's better NOT to be able to get "support" from them as their level-1 guys only apply the support protocol, which starts at checking if the power cables are plugged in, and don't have a serious technical background.
Regards,
And it's the same here in France w/ French ISP's :-). Anyway most of the time, it's better NOT to be able to get "support" from them as their level-1 guys only apply the support protocol, which starts at checking if the power cables are plugged in, and don't have a serious technical background.
Right!!!! :-D
wwp wrote:
Hello Ed,
On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:12 +0800 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Well, I'm an American, living in Taiwan...but I can still comment. :-)
When folks like AT&T claim that they only support Windows and Mac what they mean is that their support folks won't be able to help you if you run into trouble. Same holds true in Taiwan. But, that doesn't mean it won't work.
[snip]
And it's the same here in France w/ French ISP's :-). Anyway most of the time, it's better NOT to be able to get "support" from them as their level-1 guys only apply the support protocol, which starts at checking if the power cables are plugged in, and don't have a serious technical background.
Reg
It is almost comforting to hear that the Access providers world wide work to the same level of non technical ability. I have had some of the most bizarre and certainly incorrect information from the clowns, including threatening to disconnected my connection because I used an outside host provider for my domain name, demands that I install licensed software that i informed them could not be reinstalled without the payment of a new fee ( the problem had nothing to do with the installed software) Frequently they display a colossal lack of technical knowledge. I recall once their network was down but they would not admit it. They insisted that I follow their connectivity test script even when I told them their script did not apply in my case as I was using a NAT - their response to that information was "What's a NAT" They then demanded that I disconnect and connect straight to the Internet with no firewall (I knew their networks was down si it did not really matter when I had a naked connection to the net) Of course it all goes to prove you get what you pay for, the ISPs hire the lowest cost people they can find, unfortunately they have not learned they usually get what they pay for. The more time Tech support spends to help a client the more money they save seems to be the philosophy taught at ISP school.
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 18:38 -0700, Norm wrote:
wwp wrote:
Hello Ed,
On Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:12 +0800 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com wrote:
LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Piece O' cake. Get a $49 Linksys router (not the $39 -hub-) from WalMart, plug that into the external modem. Plug your linux box into the router. Follow the router install instructions, using a web browser on your linux machine to access the router and set up the addresses. It should connect and become one with the modem. Then you just use Network Mangler to make an ethernet connection ( not pppoe) to the router and you're there. You can add 3 more machines to this setup without a burp in the barrel. - Ric
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 18:38:22 -0700, Norm norm@workingtools.ca wrote:
It is almost comforting to hear that the Access providers world wide work to the same level of non technical ability. I have had some of the most bizarre and certainly incorrect information from the clowns, including threatening to disconnected my connection because I used an outside host provider for my domain name, demands that I install licensed software that i informed them could not be reinstalled without the payment of a new fee ( the problem had nothing to do with the installed software) Frequently they display a colossal lack of technical knowledge. I recall once their network was down but they would not admit it. They insisted that I follow their connectivity test script even when I told them their script did not apply in my case as I was using a NAT - their response to that information was "What's a NAT" They then demanded that I disconnect and connect straight to the Internet with no firewall (I knew their networks was down si it did not really matter when I had a naked connection to the net) Of course it all goes to prove you get what you pay for, the ISPs hire the lowest cost people they can find, unfortunately they have not learned they usually get what they pay for. The more time Tech support spends to help a client the more money they save seems to be the philosophy taught at ISP school.
If you are willing to pay a little more and you can get them in your CO, Speakeasy is a cut above other ISPs. I don't think there are as good as they once were, but are still a lot better than the competition.
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 04:26 +0200, LeBreton wrote:
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
Which will normally "just work" for any sort of computer that you can manage to connect to it.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
That means that they will not provide help for anything other than Windows/Mac. Genereally, ISP "help" isn't really technical help, they just run through a checklist of common problems and solutions.
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Ask them what modem/routers they support, and those they know to be a problem. Buy one, avoid the others, ask them to help you set up the modem/router. Get an ethernet one, not a USB one (doesn't matter if it has both, you'll use the ethernet connection).
Setting up your PCs to work with the router is your own affair, and doesn't really require you to do anything to them that is specific to the ISP. If you can network two PCs together, you can manage to network a PC to a modem.
LeBreton writes:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Tell AT&T to go and fsck themselves.
Order DSL service from Speakeasy -- http://www.speakeasy.net/home/lineshare/
You'll get real Internet access, with a static IP address, and not some half-baked PPPoE, or DHCP crap you'll get from AT&T and other make-believe Internet providers.
They'll give you an IP address, netmask, and DNS settings. Plug that in when you're installing FC5, and you're done.
With a static IP address you'll be able to run your own web and mail server, something that you won't be able to do with telco toy DSL service.
Thank you very much for your rapid answers!!!!
All over the world, the Fedora community is so dynamic! It's a real pleasure!
8-)
LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Many thanks in advance! :-D
I used Yahoo! SBCGlobal aDSL for about 5 years with fedora, now owned by AT&T. You need to have the dns server ip´s they give you. Then, well, at least with FC1-FC3, I know. Then, run adsl-setup at terminal and follow the prompts. Rather easy. It will ask you for your username and password and the DNS servers, which network device (probably eth0 or eth1). Then, to connect you will run ifup ppp0, to disconnect ifdown ppp0 to check status ifstatus ppp0.
J'ai employé Yahoo ! ADSL de SBCGlobal pendant 5 années avec le fedora, maintenant possédé par AT&T. Vous avez besoin des adresses IPs de serveur de DNS qu´ils vous donnent. Puis, vous faite pour courir adsl-setup au terminal et suivent les messages de sollicitation. Plutôt facile. Il vous demandera votre username et mot de passe et les serveurs de DNS, qui dispositif de réseau (probablement eth0 ou eth1). Puis, pour se relier, vous emploierez ifup ppp0, pour débrancher, ifdown ppp0 et pour vérifier le statut, ifstatus ppp0.
tony
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 09:38 -0400, anthony baldwin wrote:
Then, run adsl-setup at terminal and follow the prompts. Rather easy. It will ask you for your username and password and the DNS servers, which network device (probably eth0 or eth1). Then, to connect you will run ifup ppp0, to disconnect ifdown ppp0 to check status ifstatus ppp0.
That would be for a simple ADSL modem without a built-in router, right?
I didn't have to do anything like that for my ADSL (which is through a modem/router). I just set the router IP address as my default gateway, and that was it (I run my own DNS servers). If my ethernet card was configured by a DHCP server, I wouldn't have even had to set the gateway, the router would have done that all for me.
Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 09:38 -0400, anthony baldwin wrote:
Then, run adsl-setup at terminal and follow the prompts. Rather easy. It will ask you for your username and password and the DNS servers, which network device (probably eth0 or eth1). Then, to connect you will run ifup ppp0, to disconnect ifdown ppp0 to check status ifstatus ppp0.
That would be for a simple ADSL modem without a built-in router, right?
I didn't have to do anything like that for my ADSL (which is through a modem/router). I just set the router IP address as my default gateway, and that was it (I run my own DNS servers). If my ethernet card was configured by a DHCP server, I wouldn't have even had to set the gateway, the router would have done that all for me.
Actually, yes, this is what I did with the ethernet dsl modem that Yahoo sent me, no router. If he has a router, the router, once configured, will do everything, of course. Right now I am using comcast cable, and a router (because I married a windows user and we´re sharing the connection...hey, aside from using windows, she´s perfect), and, of course, once the router was configured, my box just automagically finds the connection.
Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 09:38 -0400, anthony baldwin wrote:
Then, run adsl-setup at terminal and follow the prompts. Rather easy. It will ask you for your username and password and the DNS servers, which network device (probably eth0 or eth1). Then, to connect you will run ifup ppp0, to disconnect ifdown ppp0 to check status ifstatus ppp0.
That would be for a simple ADSL modem without a built-in router, right?
I didn't have to do anything like that for my ADSL (which is through a modem/router). I just set the router IP address as my default gateway, and that was it (I run my own DNS servers). If my ethernet card was configured by a DHCP server, I wouldn't have even had to set the gateway, the router would have done that all for me.
The SpeedStream 5100 modem SBC Global supplied lets me set up the modem to do the PPPoE, so all you need is a standard DHCP configured Ethernet connection. I have a Netgear wireless router on it now, but I could connect direct. The thing I like about the Netgear router is that I can assign fixed IP addresses to some machines based on their MAC address. This may not be a big deal for most people, but it is something I find handy...
Mikkel
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 04:26:38AM +0200, LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Many thanks in advance! :-D
They will tell you that, but that's only because their support monkeys only know about Mac and Windows. Figure out what settings they want you to make on your network to work with their DSL, and do it on the FC5 box. It will work.
On Mon, 29 May 2006 08:50:02 -0700 "Kayvan A. Sylvan" kayvan@sylvan.com wrote:
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 04:26:38AM +0200, LeBreton wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am French and I just arrived in California. I am using a FC5 distrib on my computer and I would like to get a High Speed Internet connection like this proposed by AT&T with an External ADSL Ethernet Modem.
But At&T claims that other distrib than Windows or Mac are not supported for their DSL connection. :-(
Could I get some advices for the best solution for high speed internet with FC5?
Many thanks in advance! :-D
They will tell you that, but that's only because their support monkeys only know about Mac and Windows. Figure out what settings they want you to make on your network to work with their DSL, and do it on the FC5 box. It will work.
Yes, this is very true!! I have been following this thread that much, but as long as you can get that NIC to work, you got it made.
Will
On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 08:50 -0700, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
They will tell you that, but that's only because their support monkeys only know about Mac and Windows. Figure out what settings they want you to make on your network to work with their DSL, and do it on the FC5 box. It will work.
Sometimes it's worth lying to them. Just say you have Windows, but you're not at the PC, and you just need to know what options to set.
I've stopped one "support" person from giving me the click on this, click on that, routine, and just asked them for the connection and service details I needed to plug into my system. I think you could almost hear the relief as several minutes of explanations just got side stepped into just having to tell me about three or four parameters.
Sometimes it's worth lying to them. Just say you have Windows, but you're not at the PC, and you just need to know what options to set.
I've stopped one "support" person from giving me the click on this, click on that, routine, and just asked them for the connection and service details I needed to plug into my system. I think you could almost hear the relief as several minutes of explanations just got side stepped into just having to tell me about three or four parameters.
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I agree. Before they started supporting routers I had to call them about something. When they found out I had a router they said they didn't support that. I told them I wasn't looking for support on the router. Just confirm that you can see the high speed modem, give me the settings I need for PPOE, and I'll take care of the rest. If the problem is not with their equipment or the settings then I'll take care of trouble shooting. Search engines and lists such as this one will help you beyond help desk. And you'll learn a lot more in the process. Not just "click on this, then that, and now this". Instead you'll get detailed instructions from experienced trouble shooters.
Jacques B.
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