Is it me or is the list going NUTS? (Old messages are appearing new)

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow fedora users,

Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November 2.

May I ask what is happenning here?
I post a message and it appears much much later :(, 
What in cronos is going on?

If it is me? "Scratching my head", then I'll take a pill and go to sleep and forget that all of this is happening :)

Regards,

Antonio

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 11/07/2009 03:28 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear fellow fedora users,
>
> Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November 2.
>
> May I ask what is happenning here?
> I post a message and it appears much much later :(,

Did you receive them today, or are they just being marked as "new" even 
though they have been sent (and received) several days ago?

The latter is one of the ways how thunderbird-3.x (or may-be dovecot, I 
am not sure who's to blame) corrupts mail folder indices for me. I 
receive mails, but the are marked/tagged differently some time later.

Very funny, when thunderbird tags just received, fresh/unread mails as 
"read" or tags very old mails as "unread" ;)

Ralf

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:
> From: Ralf Corsepius 
> Subject: Re: Is it me or is the list going NUTS? (Old messages are appearing new)
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 6:43 PM
> On 11/07/2009 03:28 AM, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> > Dear fellow fedora users,
> >
> > Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread
>
> "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original
> poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this
> thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have
> November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November
> 2.
> > May I ask what is happenning here?
> > I post a message and it appears much much later :(,
>
> Did you receive them today, or are they just being marked
> as "new" even though they have been sent (and received)
> several days ago?

I have just received this one today, when yesterday or two/three days before I have read replies to this very question.  Which makes *me* wonder am I in the present, past, or in the future?

I am feeling so out of place, that even in fedora-test-list, a message I have sent two to three days ago, just came in to my mail box and a reply also came in and since I am out of my testing computer replying to that message would do me no good.
> The latter is one of the ways how thunderbird-3.x (or
> may-be dovecot, I am not sure who's to blame) corrupts mail
> folder indices for me. I receive mails, but the are
> marked/tagged differently some time later.
>
> Very funny, when thunderbird tags just received,
> fresh/unread mails as "read" or tags very old mails as
> "unread" ;)
>
> Ralf

Thanks Ralf for replying.  I hope others might see some weirdness with respect to the incoming messages.

Regards,

Antonio

[Ed Greshko]

Antonio Olivares wrote:
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:
> > From: Ralf Corsepius 
> > Subject: Re: Is it me or is the list going NUTS? (Old messages are appearing new)
> > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 6:43 PM
> > On 11/07/2009 03:28 AM, Antonio
> > Olivares wrote:
> > > Dear fellow fedora users,
> > >
> > > Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread
> >
> > "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original
> > poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this
> > thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have
> > November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November
> > 2.
> > > May I ask what is happenning here?
> > > I post a message and it appears much much later :(,
> >
> > Did you receive them today, or are they just being marked
> > as "new" even though they have been sent (and received)
> > several days ago?
>
> I have just received this one today, when yesterday or two/three days before I have read replies to this very question.  Which makes *me* wonder am I in the present, past, or in the future?
>
> I am feeling so out of place, that even in fedora-test-list, a message I have sent two to three days ago, just came in to my mail box and a reply also came in and since I am out of my testing computer replying to that message would do me no good.
> > The latter is one of the ways how thunderbird-3.x (or
> > may-be dovecot, I am not sure who's to blame) corrupts mail
> > folder indices for me. I receive mails, but the are
> > marked/tagged differently some time later.
> >
> > Very funny, when thunderbird tags just received,
> > fresh/unread mails as "read" or tags very old mails as
> > "unread" ;)
> >
> > Ralf
>
> Thanks Ralf for replying.  I hope others might see some weirdness with respect to the incoming messages.

I am not seeing any weirdness with regards to delivery times.....

Are you using the web interface to yahoo?   I think if you were to use
the pop to access your email you may be able to examine the headers to
determine where the delay was.  Otherwise it is almost impossible.

[Antonio Olivares]

I replied to this message a while ago probably as the header states

Re: Is it me or is the list going NUTS? (Old messages are appearing new)
Friday, November 6, 2009 7:02 PM
From: 
"Antonio Olivares" 
Add sender to Contacts
To: 
"Ralf Corsepius" 
Cc: 
[e-mail]

And I just got it Today, Sunday November 8.  I have yahoo mail and gmail, I wonder if it is their fault or fedora-list's fault?

I ask again, am I the only one that is seeing this behavior?

Thanks and kind regards,

Antonio

[David]

On 11/8/2009 1:45 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> I replied to this message a while ago probably as the header states
>
> Re: Is it me or is the list going NUTS? (Old messages are appearing new)
> Friday, November 6, 2009 7:02 PM
> From: 
> "Antonio Olivares" 
> Add sender to Contacts
> To: 
> "Ralf Corsepius" 
> Cc: 
> [e-mail]
>
> And I just got it Today, Sunday November 8.  I have yahoo mail and gmail, I wonder if it is their fault or fedora-list's fault?
>
> I ask again, am I the only one that is seeing this behavior?
>
> Thanks and kind regards,

I saw your reply several days ago.

[Tom H]

> Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November 2.
>
> May I ask what is happenning here?
> I post a message and it appears much much later :(,
> What in cronos is going on?
>
> If it is me? "Scratching my head", then I'll take a pill and go to sleep and forget that all of this is happening :)

Same here.

[Development discussions related to Fedora]

On 11/07/2009 05:26 PM, Tom H wrote:
> > If it is me? "Scratching my head", then I'll take a pill and go to sleep and forget that all of this is happening :)

Are you on thunderbird, F11 ?

Do you sort by thread on the mailing list traffic ?

Thunderbird 3 changed to sorting by date order based on the most recent 
message that comes to a thread (very annoying). It used to always be 
based on the oldest message in each thread to provide the thread sort order.

I thought it was a bug: (and it should at least be configurable).
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=495946

[Roger]

Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie.,
> Antonio
>   Seems I get similar from the fedora-list, my messages seem to have to be moderated and often don't get posted till days later when th thread has gone.

I generally don't bother to reply to community Assistance, etc any more, 
You probably won't get this reply.
Roger
>

[Bill Case]

Hi Antonio;

On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 18:28 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear fellow fedora users,
>
> Is it me or is the list going NUTS?, ie., the thread "Should I go 64 bit Fedora" just came in from the Original poster, wheras I have seen many replies already to this thread.  Is something wrong with the dates, I have November 6, 2009 and this thread message was sent November 2.
>
> May I ask what is happenning here?
> I post a message and it appears much much later :(, 
> What in cronos is going on?
>
> If it is me? "Scratching my head", then I'll take a pill and go to sleep and forget that all of this is happening :)

I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago.  I started a discussion
here and after several posts back and forth the problem went away
without figuring out the cause.  It happened again on one post a few
days ago.

If you check the archives for posts not yet received and the message
headers, the non-delivery of mail will seem random.  If you can figure
out what is causing the problem, let us know.