PCMIA Issues

[Chris Canavan]

All,

I am having some issues getting the PCMIA serivce to start.  I am new with all Linux systems so please forgive me if I don't provide some needed info.

During the install Fedora found the PCMIA NIC so I assume that something went right; however each boot (when looking at the detailed logging screen) shows that the NIC Card is not found and initalization fails.  So once in the GUI I look at the services and everything looks good but PCMIA which shows the service is stopped.  I request a service start Fedora the OS reports the service has started correctly, but when I stat the service it still hasn't started, thus the NIC card cannot be found.

System:
IBM Thinkpad A20m
Intel PIII
TI PCMIA Cardbus
3c589 PCMIA NIC

Thanks!

Chris Canavan

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[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Chris Canavan wrote:
> All,
>
> I am having some issues getting the PCMIA serivce to start.  I am 
> new with all Linux systems so please forgive me if I don't provide 
> some needed info.
>
> During the install Fedora found the PCMIA NIC so I assume that 
> something went right; however each boot (when looking at the 
> detailed logging screen) shows that the NIC Card is not found and 
> initalization fails.  So once in the GUI I look at the services and 
> everything looks good but PCMIA which shows the service is stopped. 
> I request a service start Fedora the OS reports the service has 
> started correctly, but when I stat the service it still hasn't 
> started, thus the NIC card cannot be found.

if this is the same problem others have been having, try the 
following after you boot:

# modprobe yenta_socket
   # service pcmcia start

what happens?

rday

[Chris Canavan]

That did the trick.  Is there a way to implement this
fix permanently through the startup routine.

Thanks for all your assistance

Regards,
Chris Canavan

--- "Robert P. J. Day"  wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Chris Canavan wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I am having some issues getting the PCMIA serivce
>
> to start.  I am
> > new with all Linux systems so please forgive me if
>
> I don't provide
> > some needed info.
> >
> > During the install Fedora found the PCMIA NIC so I
>
> assume that
> > something went right; however each boot (when
>
> looking at the
> > detailed logging screen) shows that the NIC Card
>
> is not found and
> > initalization fails.  So once in the GUI I look at
>
> the services and
> > everything looks good but PCMIA which shows the
>
> service is stopped.
> > I request a service start Fedora the OS reports
>
> the service has
> > started correctly, but when I stat the service it
>
> still hasn't
> > started, thus the NIC card cannot be found.
>
> if this is the same problem others have been having,
> try the 
> following after you boot:
>
> # modprobe yenta_socket
>    # service pcmcia start
>
> what happens?
>
> rday
>
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[Rick Stevens]

Chris Canavan wrote:
> That did the trick.  Is there a way to implement this
> fix permanently through the startup routine.

This has been a thorn in the side for a long time--especially with
pcmcia-based network cards.  The problem is that the network is started
long before pcmcia is (the /etc/rc.d/rcx.d sequence number for network
is S10, that for PCMCIA is S24).

The easiest fix is to:

cd /etc/rc.d/rc(your-run-level).d
    mv S24pcmcia S09pcmcia

so pcmcia starts before the network.  The network scripts are supposed
to work around this issue, but they don't reliably.
> Thanks for all your assistance
>
> Regards,
> Chris Canavan
>
> --- "Robert P. J. Day"  wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Chris Canavan wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I am having some issues getting the PCMIA serivce
> >
> > to start.  I am
> > > new with all Linux systems so please forgive me if
> >
> > I don't provide
> > > some needed info.
> > >
> > > During the install Fedora found the PCMIA NIC so I
> >
> > assume that
> > > something went right; however each boot (when
> >
> > looking at the
> > > detailed logging screen) shows that the NIC Card
> >
> > is not found and
> > > initalization fails.  So once in the GUI I look at
> >
> > the services and
> > > everything looks good but PCMIA which shows the
> >
> > service is stopped.
> > > I request a service start Fedora the OS reports
> >
> > the service has
> > > started correctly, but when I stat the service it
> >
> > still hasn't
> > > started, thus the NIC card cannot be found.
> >
> > if this is the same problem others have been having,
> > try the 
> > following after you boot:
> >
> > # modprobe yenta_socket
> >   # service pcmcia start
> >
> > what happens?
> >
> > rday
> >
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> > To unsubscribe:
> > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
>
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[Norman Gaywood]

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 04:20:57PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Chris Canavan wrote:
> > That did the trick.  Is there a way to implement this
> > fix permanently through the startup routine.
>
> This has been a thorn in the side for a long time--especially with
> pcmcia-based network cards.  The problem is that the network is started
> long before pcmcia is (the /etc/rc.d/rcx.d sequence number for network
> is S10, that for PCMCIA is S24).
>
> The easiest fix is to:
>
> cd /etc/rc.d/rc(your-run-level).d
>    mv S24pcmcia S09pcmcia
>
> so pcmcia starts before the network.  The network scripts are supposed
> to work around this issue, but they don't reliably.

Even easier, and more correct IMHO, is to NOT set "start on boot" option
of the PCMCIA network card interface setup.

The network interface will start when PCMCIA starts or when you plug-in
your PCMCIA network card.

[Rick Stevens]

Norman Gaywood wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 04:20:57PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > Chris Canavan wrote:
> > > That did the trick.  Is there a way to implement this
> > > fix permanently through the startup routine.
> >
> > This has been a thorn in the side for a long time--especially with
> > pcmcia-based network cards.  The problem is that the network is started
> > long before pcmcia is (the /etc/rc.d/rcx.d sequence number for network
> > is S10, that for PCMCIA is S24).
> >
> > The easiest fix is to:
> >
> > cd /etc/rc.d/rc(your-run-level).d
> >    mv S24pcmcia S09pcmcia
> >
> > so pcmcia starts before the network.  The network scripts are supposed
> > to work around this issue, but they don't reliably.
>
> Even easier, and more correct IMHO, is to NOT set "start on boot" option
> of the PCMCIA network card interface setup.

You then have to start the network manually every time--either via an
"ifup eth0" or a "service network start".  That's a pain if this is your
primary machine and that's your sole NIC.
> The network interface will start when PCMCIA starts or when you plug-in
> your PCMCIA network card.

The NIC doesn't always start when pcmcia starts or I wouldn't have made
my suggestion about changing the start sequence.  It's SUPPOSED to, but
in many instances it doesn't.  This may be a glitch in the pcmcia
handling code or the /etc/pcmcia.d setup stuff, but it's not always
reliable.  My "cheap and dirty fix" works every time.

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[Scot L. Harris]

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 19:33, Norman Gaywood wrote:
> > The easiest fix is to:
> >
> > cd /etc/rc.d/rc(your-run-level).d
> >    mv S24pcmcia S09pcmcia
> >
> > so pcmcia starts before the network.  The network scripts are supposed
> > to work around this issue, but they don't reliably.
>
> Even easier, and more correct IMHO, is to NOT set "start on boot" option
> of the PCMCIA network card interface setup.
>
> The network interface will start when PCMCIA starts or when you plug-in
> your PCMCIA network card.

While this works it always seemed to me that this was still a poor work
around for this problem.  It does not make a lot of sense that when you
set "do not start on boot" in the network dialog that the card will
subsequently startup.  And if you do set start on boot it will NOT start
up.

What if you really don't want that card to start up?  Or on the off
chance that you have two pcmcia cards (probably nobody has that) and you
want just one or the other to start up?  With the current solution this
would be impossible.

I need to check bugzilla to see if this is still an open issue or if
there is even a request for change to this.