Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ?
Thanks
On 03/04/2011 06:00 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ?
IMHO, the best way is to add a new user ex: firefox4, then run FF4 as user: firefox4
su firefox4 -c '$PATH_TO_FF4/firefox4'
HTH
Le 04/03/2011 18:00, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Fast... fast... (see bench result on my blog)
Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ?
There is (at least) 2 repo which provides firefox4 RPM (which can be installed beside firefox 3.6)
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4/ http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2011/03/01/Firefox-4.0-Beta-12
Remi.
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:10 +0100, Remi Collet wrote:
There is (at least) 2 repo which provides firefox4 RPM (which can be installed beside firefox 3.6)
Very sweet tip, Remi.
I copied the repo file into /etc/yum.repos.d/
I ran yum install firefox4 and it installed and now I'm running it.
It couldn't be easier than that.
Fedora rocks !
Thanks for sharing, greatly appreciated !
On 03/04/2011 12:10 PM, Remi Collet wrote:
Le 04/03/2011 18:00, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Fast... fast... (see bench result on my blog)
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4/ http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2011/03/01/Firefox-4.0-Beta-12
Curious how these compare (on same machine) with google-chrome 11 - do you have the results for those ?
Thanks!
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Genes MailLists lists@sapience.com wrote:
On 03/04/2011 12:10 PM, Remi Collet wrote:
Le 04/03/2011 18:00, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Fast... fast... (see bench result on my blog)
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4/ http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2011/03/01/Firefox-4.0-Beta-12
Curious how these compare (on same machine) with google-chrome 11 - do you have the results for those ?
I just ran the SunSpider benchmark on chrome stable (v 9.0.597) on the machine I normally use here - and got 231.2ms +/- 0.8% - I have not got FireFox4 to compare but just wondered what the numbers might look like here and compare with the table in the second of the two links above - seems pretty comparable -
I guess someone will have both chrome and Firefox 4 on the same machine for direct comparison. I suppose that chrome 11 will be even better!
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloaked@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Genes MailLists lists@sapience.com wrote:
On 03/04/2011 12:10 PM, Remi Collet wrote:
Le 04/03/2011 18:00, Linuxguy123 a écrit :
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Fast... fast... (see bench result on my blog)
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4/ http://blog.famillecollet.com/post/2011/03/01/Firefox-4.0-Beta-12
Curious how these compare (on same machine) with google-chrome 11 - do you have the results for those ?
I just ran the SunSpider benchmark on chrome stable (v 9.0.597) on the machine I normally use here - and got 231.2ms +/- 0.8% - I have not got FireFox4 to compare but just wondered what the numbers might look like here and compare with the table in the second of the two links above - seems pretty comparable -
Also for this machine (model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz) I ran the V8 test in chrome here and got Score: 5836 this seems very good compared to the best firefox 4 score in the list of tests at 5 158
Javascript Tests run on lenovo T61p laptop running fully updated f14.
Summary: --------- Firefox 4 seems to have a small edge over chrome in javascript speed.
Comments: ---------- This is the first version of firefox I have tested that is not dead slow - it now runs similar (javascript) speeds to other browsers (safari, chrome etc).
Earlier versions of firefox had huge memory leaks & consumption - I have not yet tested to see if this has improved with firefox 4.0.
I still prefer chrome, but firefox is no longer too slow to use. Its still ugly as sin on linux and the UI, while improved some, still hails from the 1990's early 2000's era - unlike chrome/safari etc which are sleek clean and modern.
** N.B. ** The kraken test behaved very strangely on firefox -the screen did not update for much of the time like it did on chrome - so the test appears to be not running properly - I would discount this test as broken on firefox for now. Some may suggest foul play on this test - i cannot comment - only it appears to not run correctly so I would ignore this result as bogus until it runs properly.
Tests are noisy - assume +- 10% error as an rough guide.
For these tests I used :
(i) google-chrome 11.0.686.3
(ii) firefox 4.0b13 64 bit (direct download from mozilla.org)
Test Results: -------------
FF-4 Chrome ----------- ------acid3 97/100 100/100
Sunspider 319 373
V8 3616 3894
Dromaeo 402 508
Arrays 1351 1349 Code Eval 711 499 Rotating 3D Cube 457 533 Base 64 enc/dec 825 798 Reg Expr 162 250 Strings 1202 1253
Kraken 6125** 15193 (test broken on ff)
On 03/04/2011 12:10 PM, Remi Collet wrote:
Be warned the above repo will replace your stock sqlite install - I would advice against using these).
On 03/05/2011 12:23 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
Test Results:
FF-4 Chrome ----------- ------acid3 97/100 100/100
Sunspider 319 373
V8 3616 3894
Dromaeo 402 508
Arrays 1351 1349 Code Eval 711 499 Rotating 3D Cube 457 533 Base 64 enc/dec 825 798 Reg Expr 162 250 Strings 1202 1253
Kraken 6125** 15193 (test broken on ff)
I should point out
V8 - larger number is better. - test designed by google
Dromaeo - smaller is better - test designed by mozilla team
Sunspider - smaller is better - test designed by webkit folk - webkit is used in chrome, safari etc
Kraken - smaller is better - test designed by mozilla as well.
acid3 - test from Webstandards Project - firefox has never passed the acid3 test but this is the best it has ever done. - webkit based browsers have been getting 100 for a very long time now.
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Genes MailLists lists@sapience.com wrote:
On 03/05/2011 12:23 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
Test Results:
FF-4 Chrome ----------- ------
acid3 97/100 100/100
Sunspider 319 373
V8 3616 3894
Dromaeo 402 508
Arrays 1351 1349 Code Eval 711 499 Rotating 3D Cube 457 533 Base 64 enc/dec 825 798 Reg Expr 162 250 Strings 1202 1253
Kraken 6125** 15193 (test broken on ff)
I should point out
V8 - larger number is better. - test designed by google
Dromaeo - smaller is better - test designed by mozilla team
Sunspider - smaller is better - test designed by webkit folk - webkit is used in chrome, safari etc
Kraken - smaller is better - test designed by mozilla as well.
acid3 - test from Webstandards Project - firefox has never passed the acid3 test but this is the best it has ever done. - webkit based browsers have been getting 100 for a very long time now.
Interesting especially as I thought that FF4 was still using gecko - where chrome is webkit based - though I don't know enough to judge if this is being probed in these tests?
I wonder where both browsers are heading in terms of the "next stage" of development?
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:10 +0100, Remi Collet wrote:
There is (at least) 2 repo which provides firefox4 RPM (which can be installed beside firefox 3.6)
Any idea when this repository is going to be updated to beta 12 ? Its currently got beta 11.
Thanks !
On 03/09/2011 10:36 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 18:10 +0100, Remi Collet wrote:
There is (at least) 2 repo which provides firefox4 RPM (which can be installed beside firefox 3.6)
Any idea when this repository is going to be updated to beta 12 ? Its currently got beta 11.
Mail the maintainer. His or her name will be in the changelog.
Rahul
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale jcasale@activenetwerx.comwrote:
Any idea when this repository is going to be updated to beta 12 ? Its currently got beta 11.
From earlier in that thread, you can use remi's...
jlc
Even though RC1 is out there, I can't update. Yum complains there is a dependency on gecko-libs 2.0 and that package doesn't seem to be available.
Even though RC1 is out there, I can't update. Yum complains there is a dependency on gecko-libs 2.0 and that package doesn't seem to be available.
Probably because you are using yum priorities, before you simply `yum update` try something like `yum --disableplugin=priorities --enablerepo=remi* update firefox`
I was able to get rc-1...
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ?
Thanks
The Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible to open up more screen space?
On 03/05/2011 08:45 PM, Jim Philips wrote:
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The Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible to open up more screen space?
Firefox doesn't really use GTK as much as emulate it. They just have different design depending on the platform.
Rahul
On 03/05/2011 07:15 AM, Jim Philips wrote:
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123@gmail.com mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone running them ? How are they ? Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ? ThanksThe Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible to open up more screen space?
Not the case here, I'm looking at beta 12 in Windows 7 and Fedora 13 and they are identical.
John
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, john wendel jwendel10@comcast.net wrote:
On 03/05/2011 07:15 AM, Jim Philips wrote:
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123@gmail.com mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone running them ? How are they ? Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 betawithout
messing things up ? ThanksThe Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible to open up more screen space?
Not the case here, I'm looking at beta 12 in Windows 7 and Fedora 13 and they are identical.
John
When I open Firefox 4 in Windows 7, all the functions of the menu bar only
show up when you pull them down from a small triangle up in the top left corner. Are you telling me you see this in Linux too?
On 03/06/2011 06:53 AM, Jim Philips wrote:
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, john wendel <jwendel10@comcast.net mailto:jwendel10@comcast.net> wrote:
On 03/05/2011 07:15 AM, Jim Philips wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123@gmail.com <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com> > <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Anyone running them ? How are they ? > > Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without > messing things up ? > > Thanks > > > The Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. > This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible > to open up more screen space? > Not the case here, I'm looking at beta 12 in Windows 7 and Fedora 13 and they are identical. JohnWhen I open Firefox 4 in Windows 7, all the functions of the menu bar only show up when you pull them down from a small triangle up in the top left corner. Are you telling me you see this in Linux too?
Yes, but it isn't just a small triangle, it's a button that says "firefox". It also shows the tabs in this bar. I have the menu bar turned off. Below the tab bar is the navigation bar, which can also be turned off. Looks exactly like my Windows 7 setup. I am running the version from the Mozilla tarball of both Windows and Fedora.
John
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM, john wendel jwendel10@comcast.net wrote:
On 03/06/2011 06:53 AM, Jim Philips wrote:
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM, john wendel <jwendel10@comcast.net mailto:jwendel10@comcast.net> wrote:
On 03/05/2011 07:15 AM, Jim Philips wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123@gmail.com <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com> > <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com <mailto:linuxguy123@gmail.com>>>wrote:
> > Anyone running them ? How are they ? > > Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without > messing things up ? > > Thanks > > > The Linux version still has a very fat frame at the top of the window. > This isn't the case in Windows. Does their use of GTK make it impossible > to open up more screen space? > Not the case here, I'm looking at beta 12 in Windows 7 and Fedora 13and
they are identical. JohnWhen I open Firefox 4 in Windows 7, all the functions of the menu bar only show up when you pull them down from a small triangle up in the top left corner. Are you telling me you see this in Linux too?
Yes, but it isn't just a small triangle, it's a button that says "firefox". It also shows the tabs in this bar. I have the menu bar turned off. Below the tab bar is the navigation bar, which can also be turned off. Looks exactly like my Windows 7 setup. I am running the version from the Mozilla tarball of both Windows and Fedora.
John
I see what you mean now. That only appears if I hide the menu bar. I wouldn't call it "identical" to the Windows 7 layout. But I'm glad to know it's there.
On 03/04/2011 11:00 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
Anyone running them ? How are they ?
Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without messing things up ?
Thanks
I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on the panel, set it as the default browser, and I'm good to go. (And, unlike the repo version, it updates itself because I gave my account write permission on that directory.)
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-lists@sterndata.com wrote:
I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on the panel, set it as the default browser, and I'm good to go. (And, unlike the repo version, it updates itself because I gave my account write permission on that directory.)
You can even run the Mozilla builds from your home directory. I would say that is much safer, in case you fall prey to some unknown bug. After all this is beta software.
PS: I use the firefox nightly 64 bit builds from Mozilla like this.
On 03/10/2011 06:58 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-lists@sterndata.com wrote:
I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on the panel, set it as the default browser, and I'm good to go. (And, unlike the repo version, it updates itself because I gave my account write permission on that directory.)
You can even run the Mozilla builds from your home directory. I would say that is much safer, in case you fall prey to some unknown bug. After all this is beta software.
PS: I use the firefox nightly 64 bit builds from Mozilla like this.
You're right. I've moved it to ~/bin/firefox
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