Cristian Stefan wrote:
Hi I am new to RH and i have installed RH9 and managed to update it with apt4rpm .So... The obvious question is : How can I manage to put some repositories to get a dist-upgrade from RH9 to Fedora ?
This sort of question about apt or yum comes up a lot. And though I can not tell how to get apt to do this...because I don't use apt. I do have to question whether or not its WORTH upgrading to the test release this way.
As of now...using either apt/yum to upgrade to a new release is not something the Fedora Core developers are making a priority to test and make sure works. If you are able to use apt to upgrade to the new test release, and you have problems...your bugreports might not be useful at all...and their might be very little interest in helping fix the problems you encounter becuase you have used an un-supported upgrade path.
I think..if you are going to be running the beta..and be a beta tester..you have to be willing to follow some basic rules on expected behavior. One of those rules have been that you are going to have to either upgrade from a previous official release using the ISO image based upgrade methods provided by the official installer. Or You will be doing a fresh install using the provided methods.
Unless something has changed recently..very recently...having apt or yum work to do dist-upgrade like behavior is not something thats getting a lot of Fedora Core development attention. You can certainly try to do it, becuase both yum and apt have the ability to do this sort of thing...but if it goes wrong...your bugs might not be a high priority. Bug testing effort is best spent on issues developers want tested...and to-date I haven't seen much interest from the development side to make upgrading between releases with apt a high priority.
-jef"thinks the website needs Tester Guidelines, to help give testers an indication of what the priorities are for different test releases"spaleta
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:40:23 -0400, Jef Spaleta wrote
Cristian Stefan wrote:
Hi I am new to RH and i have installed RH9 and managed to update it with apt4rpm .So... The obvious question is : How can I manage to put some repositories to get a dist-upgrade from RH9 to Fedora ?
This sort of question about apt or yum comes up a lot. And though I can not tell how to get apt to do this...because I don't use apt. I do have to question whether or not its WORTH upgrading to the test release this way.
As of now...using either apt/yum to upgrade to a new release is not something the Fedora Core developers are making a priority to test and make sure works. If you are able to use apt to upgrade to the new test release, and you have problems...your bugreports might not be useful at all...and their might be very little interest in helping fix the problems you encounter becuase you have used an un- supported upgrade path.
I think..if you are going to be running the beta..and be a beta tester..you have to be willing to follow some basic rules on expected behavior. One of those rules have been that you are going to have to either upgrade from a previous official release using the ISO image based upgrade methods provided by the official installer. Or You will be doing a fresh install using the provided methods.
Unless something has changed recently..very recently...having apt or yum work to do dist-upgrade like behavior is not something thats getting a lot of Fedora Core development attention. You can certainly try to do it, becuase both yum and apt have the ability to do this sort of thing...but if it goes wrong...your bugs might not be a high priority. Bug testing effort is best spent on issues developers want tested...and to-date I haven't seen much interest from the development side to make upgrading between releases with apt a high priority.
-jef"thinks the website needs Tester Guidelines, to help give testers an indication of what the priorities are for different test
releases"spaleta
If I read this exchange correctly, Fedora may not be a RH 10 equivalent for those users of previous versions of RHL. Not a good sign??
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:23:38 -0500, Mike Vanecek wrote:
If I read this exchange correctly, Fedora may not be a RH 10 equivalent for those users of previous versions of RHL. Not a good sign??
[Recycling the reply I poste to redhat-list just a few minutes ago. Why the cross-post?]
Can you explain this question a bit? No part of what you quoted gives a hint on what makes you think that "Fedore Core 1" will not be what was expected to become Red Hat Linux 10.
Btw, this thread is about upgrading Shrike to Fedora Core release 0.94 (Severn).
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:35:18 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:23:38 -0500, Mike Vanecek wrote:
If I read this exchange correctly, Fedora may not be a RH 10 equivalent for those users of previous versions of RHL. Not a good sign??
[Recycling the reply I poste to redhat-list just a few minutes ago. Why the cross-post?]
Because not everyone subscribes to all three lists and I want to get the perspective and feedback from those with more knowledge and experience that I have.
Can you explain this question a bit? No part of what you quoted gives a hint on what makes you think that "Fedore Core 1" will not be what was expected to become Red Hat Linux 10.
The poster said:
Unless something has changed recently..very recently...having apt or yum work to do dist-upgrade like behavior is not something thats getting a lot of Fedora Core development attention. You can certainly try to do it, becuase both yum and apt have the ability to do this sort of thing...but if it goes wrong...your bugs might not be a high priority. Bug testing effort is best spent on issues developers want tested...and to-date I haven't seen much interest from the development side to make upgrading between releases with apt a high priority.
I am trying to plan for what action will need to be done due to the demise of RHL. Some have suggested that Fedora will be a logical replacement. Others have said that yum/apt might be used in place of up2date. Still others have suggested that redhat network will be migrated to Fedora.
The overall tone of the discussion does not seem consistent with Fedora being a redhat linux equivalent product. If that is the case, then one might want to start a serious look for a replacement.
The quoted post seems to be consitent with the view of
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:50:45 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote
4~6 month release cycle (somewhat normal), but errata only supplied for 3~4 months after the next release, giving each Fedora Core release a 7~10 month life span. Also, Fedora will do away with the previous strive to keep binary compatability going, and instead bring in as much new stuff as possible, making rolling updates impossible. Havoc has sated that Desktop users and production environments are no longer the target audience of RHL/Fedora, instead the hobby market is, with fast changes and constant new features. THis makes Fedora all but unusable in any production place, where RHL was still VERY useable, even with it's 1year+ lifespan.
I need a stable 12-18 month release supported by something like up2date. It use will not be in a production environment, but it is not intended to be bleeding edge either.
Some have suggested that we wait to see what develops. The exchange, however, seemed to imply that waiting might not be a good strategy.
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