Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
1. Before the upgrade. Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
2. During the upgrade. After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
3. After the upgrade proper. After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as - database (e.g. the rpm database) changes? - configuration file changes? and so on?
Thank-you.
On 4 Apr 2025, at 17:29, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
- Before the upgrade.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
No, apart from do a full upgrade to f40 first, just in case there was a required fix to make system-upgrade work.
- During the upgrade.
After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
No.
- After the upgrade proper.
After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as
- database (e.g. the rpm database) changes?
- configuration file changes?
and so on?
No.
Barry
Thank-you.
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On 4/4/25 10:52 AM, Barry wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025, at 17:29, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
- Before the upgrade.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
No, apart from do a full upgrade to f40 first, just in case there was a required fix to make system-upgrade work.
I upgraded to f40 lat October. Doing a "dnf upgrade" just before "dnf system-upgrade" is in the instructions.
- During the upgrade.
After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
No.
- After the upgrade proper.
After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as
- database (e.g. the rpm database) changes?
- configuration file changes?
and so on?
No.
Barry
Thank-you, Barry.
On 4 Apr 2025, at 17:29, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
configuration file changes?
If you drop-in config then nothing to do usually. But if you have the full conf file then check for new options you may need to tune.
Barry
On 4/4/25 10:53 AM, Barry wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025, at 17:29, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
configuration file changes?
If you drop-in config then nothing to do usually. But if you have the full conf file then check for new options you may need to tune.
I don't recall customizing dnf in the past several years. The workstation is 12 years old; I don't recall if I did any dnf or yum customization that far back.
Thank-you, Barry.
On 4 Apr 2025, at 23:12, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I don't recall customizing dnf in the past several years. The workstation is 12 years old; I don't recall if I did any dnf or yum customization that far back.
I was not thinking of customising dnf, I was thinking of customising services. For example sshd etc.
I have never bothered to go to the lengths of cloning a drive. Upgrades are very reliable for my systems. I run fedora servers and fedora desktops on a range of hardware.
What I do in preperation for upgrading is boot a live usb of the new fedora version on my critical systems.
If that boots and I can start a terminal and see the disks I go ahead with the upgrade.
Barry
On 4/5/25 1:22 AM, Barry wrote:
On 4 Apr 2025, at 23:12, home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I don't recall customizing dnf in the past several years. The workstation is 12 years old; I don't recall if I did any dnf or yum customization that far back.
I was not thinking of customising dnf, I was thinking of customising services. For example sshd etc.
I have never bothered to go to the lengths of cloning a drive. Upgrades are very reliable for my systems. I run fedora servers and fedora desktops on a range of hardware.
What I do in preperation for upgrading is boot a live usb of the new fedora version on my critical systems.
If that boots and I can start a terminal and see the disks I go ahead with the upgrade.
Barry
Thank-you, Barry.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:29 PM home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
- Before the upgrade.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
- During the upgrade.
After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
- After the upgrade proper.
After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as
- database (e.g. the rpm database) changes?
- configuration file changes?
and so on?
Follow https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/.
If you want to be really prepared, clone your drive, and then perform the upgrade on the clone. Finally, change the hostname on the clone, and then test the clone.
Jeff
On 4/4/25 5:27 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:29 PM home user via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
- Before the upgrade.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
- During the upgrade.
After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
- After the upgrade proper.
After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as
- database (e.g. the rpm database) changes?
- configuration file changes?
and so on?
Follow https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/.
That's what I was referring to in my initial post.
If you want to be really prepared, clone your drive, and then perform the upgrade on the clone. Finally, change the hostname on the clone, and then test the clone.
Jeff
Looks like a good approach, but I don't have the hardware for it. One workstation (tower), one hard drive.
Thank-you anyway.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 1:29 PM home user via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Good morning,
I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.... I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions.
- Before the upgrade.
"Proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance"
Make a backup of important files and check that there is ample free space on the current filesystems. I keep backups of my home directory, which includes a "System" directory with notes on configuration tweaks and copies of files from /etc/ that have been modified or added.
Make a Live USB with the new Fedora version and check that it boots and works properly. A Live USB is very useful for troubleshooting -- when a system doesn't boot I use the Live USB (already known to boot):
1. check drive health 2. examine journals on the non-booting system (man journalctl tells you how to view journals on from a drive other than the one you booted).
Particularly if you have older hardware, it is worth checking for Fedora 41 probes for your hardware at https://linux-hardware.org. You may find that some older components are not supported in F41 and require either updating hardware or finding 3rd party drivers.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade
proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
Don't forget to fully update the old system (including vendor firmware). Consider cleaning up by removing packages you no longer need and 3rd party packages. It is best to use a basic configuration when booting a new Fedora version. If you do have a problem, there are many other users with the same configuration. That greatly simplifies troubleshooting.
- During the upgrade.
After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?
Only if there are problems reported
- After the upgrade proper.
After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as
- database (e.g. the rpm database) changes?
- configuration file changes?
and so on?
Look at `journalctl --no-hostname -b -p 3`.
As mentioned in the documentation, check for .rpm[new|old] files. These are usually configuration changes and you may need to choose whether to use the new version (maybe adding local changes).
On 4/5/25 6:41 AM, George N. White III wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 1:29 PM home user via users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Good morning, I'm planning and preparing to upgrade my workstation from Fedora Workstation 40 to Fedora Workstation 41. The ipgrade is planned for next Thursday. I have read the instructions in docs.fedoraproject.org/.. <http://docs.fedoraproject.org/..>.. I see that dnf is getting a major upgrade from dnf4 to dnf5. I have 3 questions. 1. Before the upgrade."Proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance"
Make a backup of important files and check that there is ample free space on the current filesystems. I keep backups of my home directory, which includes a "System" directory with notes on configuration tweaks and copies of files from /etc/ that have been modified or added.
Make a Live USB with the new Fedora version and check that it boots and works properly. A Live USB is very useful for troubleshooting -- when a system doesn't boot I use the Live USB (already known to boot):
- check drive health
- examine journals on the non-booting system (man journalctl tells you how to view journals
on from a drive other than the one you booted).
Particularly if you have older hardware, it is worth checking for Fedora 41 probes for your hardware at <https://linux-hardware.org https://linux-hardware.org>. You may find that some older components are not supported in F41 and require either updating hardware or finding 3rd party drivers.
Before doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?Don't forget to fully update the old system (including vendor firmware). Consider cleaning up by removing packages you no longer need and 3rd party packages. It is best to use a basic configuration when booting a new Fedora version. If you do have a problem, there are many other users with the same configuration. That greatly simplifies troubleshooting.
2. During the upgrade. After doing the first step ("dnf system-upgrade download...") of upgrade proper, and before doing the next step ("dnf system-upgrade reboot") of the upgrade proper, do I need to do anything beyond what is stated in the instructions?Only if there are problems reported
3. After the upgrade proper. After the upgrade proper is done, and before doing any weekly patches (in f40: "dnf upgrade"), is there anything I need to do so the weekly patches will work properly, such as - database (e.g. the rpm database) changes? - configuration file changes? and so on?Look at `journalctl --no-hostname -b -p 3`.
As mentioned in the documentation, check for .rpm[new|old] files. These are usually configuration changes and you may need to choose whether to use the new version (maybe adding local changes).
-- George N. White III
Thank-you, George.
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Barry -
George N. White III -
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Jeffrey Walton