Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs
Please make use of this page for your benefit and others on the list. If you find what you believe to be a bug that is *not* on that list, please refer to the section on that page, near the top, for instructions on how to file it:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed
Thank you and we hope you will enjoy Fedora 11!
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:17:53 -0400 Paul W. Frields wrote:
Summary of bugs listed:
Intel graphics don't work! ATI graphics don't work! Nvidia graphics don't work!
:-).
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:17:53 -0400 Paul W. Frields wrote:
Summary of bugs listed:
Intel graphics don't work! ATI graphics don't work! Nvidia graphics don't work!
:-).
yeah, that whole ATI thing is starting to wear a bit thin. :-P
rday --
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On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 03:53:18PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:17:53 -0400 Paul W. Frields wrote:
Summary of bugs listed:
Intel graphics don't work! ATI graphics don't work! Nvidia graphics don't work!
:-).
Heh. Certainly there are still some bugs to work out of the modesetting feature for some cards, although the ATI, Intel and NVidia cards I have here seem to work.
Often, issues are resolved by booting with the "nomodeset" option, so maybe "don't work to the extent we'd like" is more applicable. :-) Thankfully it's open source and we will keep rolling along, improving this situation as quickly as possible.
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
i'll give it another shot with F11 but, really, i can't believe how utterly useless firefox is.
rday --
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Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry.
Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ========================================================================
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day wrote:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
There must be something really wrong with your system. I have never seen that on any of numerous Fedora machines, unless you're at a web page that's using a lot of CPU to show you something or if something has got Firefox stuck in a tight loop of some kind. In either case, simply closing and re-opening Firefox solves the problem. Doing "nothing", Firefox uses an insignificant amount of CPU.
Do you have some Firefox extension that's causing problems? What happens if you remove all Firefox extensions?
On 06/05/2009 04:43 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day wrote:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
There must be something really wrong with your system. I have never seen that on any of numerous Fedora machines, unless you're at a web page that's using a lot of CPU to show you something or if something has got Firefox stuck in a tight loop of some kind. In either case, simply closing and re-opening Firefox solves the problem. Doing "nothing", Firefox uses an insignificant amount of CPU.
Do you have some Firefox extension that's causing problems? What happens if you remove all Firefox extensions?
My Firefox was really dragging it's feet, I noticed the Language Packs were all enabled, I disabled them all except for English (Great Britain) I did not see any English (USA) so I accepted (Great Britain) When I speak with a Englishman I generally can understand what their saying. And it made my Firefox a lot faster.
Jim wrote:
My Firefox was really dragging it's feet, I noticed the Language Packs were all enabled, I disabled them all except for English (Great Britain) I did not see any English (USA) so I accepted (Great Britain) When I speak with a Englishman I generally can understand what their saying. And it made my Firefox a lot faster.
You can disable "English (Great Britain)" too. There's no language pack for "English (USA)" because it's the default language.
Kevin Kofler
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Jim wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:43 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day wrote:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
There must be something really wrong with your system. I have never seen that on any of numerous Fedora machines, unless you're at a web page that's using a lot of CPU to show you something or if something has got Firefox stuck in a tight loop of some kind. In either case, simply closing and re-opening Firefox solves the problem. Doing "nothing", Firefox uses an insignificant amount of CPU.
Do you have some Firefox extension that's causing problems? What happens if you remove all Firefox extensions?
My Firefox was really dragging it's feet, I noticed the Language Packs were all enabled, I disabled them all except for English (Great Britain) I did not see any English (USA) so I accepted (Great Britain) When I speak with a Englishman I generally can understand what their saying. And it made my Firefox a lot faster.
rather than try to debug the system/browser as it is on this f11 (preview) system, i figure it's smarter to just wait for f11 GA, start from scratch, and configure firefox without any cruft or baggage i may have inadvertantly stuffed in there and see what happens.
i'll go back through the last few emails, collect the suggestions and try to implement what i can and see what makes a difference. sorry to have harped on this for a while but firefox has been my browser of choice for quite some time, and it was painful to have to simply give up on because it started to have a response time of, like, minutes.
here's hoping it's only because i did something appallingly stupid.
rday
p.s. i don't *think* this slowdown corresponded to installing the newest flash player. but i'll leave that out after the install, do some testing, then install and see the difference.
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Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry.
Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rpjday Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ========================================================================
On 6/5/2009 4:25 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
i'll give it another shot with F11 but, really, i can't believe how utterly useless firefox is.
First off Firefox in F11 is FF 3.5 beta 4.
I have seen you mention this problem before today. And I have not seen any 'me too' replies. This must be a problem with your setup or system.
Is this with *all* sites? Or just some? Surely not just one site? Give an example URL please.
Do you have the same extensions installed in both Firefox and Seamonkey?
Do you use Flash Block? If a site is blocked, the default, it can slow the site down as it fights to display.
Another thing to look at is the 'languages' installed in Firefox by Fedora. You, I figure, speak English which is built in. Disable the many other languages.
I have a couple of other ideas but start here.
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:06:36PM -0400, David wrote:
On 6/5/2009 4:25 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
i'll give it another shot with F11 but, really, i can't believe how utterly useless firefox is.
First off Firefox in F11 is FF 3.5 beta 4.
I have seen you mention this problem before today. And I have not seen any 'me too' replies. This must be a problem with your setup or system.
Is this with *all* sites? Or just some? Surely not just one site? Give an example URL please.
Do you have the same extensions installed in both Firefox and Seamonkey?
Do you use Flash Block? If a site is blocked, the default, it can slow the site down as it fights to display.
Another thing to look at is the 'languages' installed in Firefox by Fedora. You, I figure, speak English which is built in. Disable the many other languages.
I have a couple of other ideas but start here.
I tend to start by creating a new user account to see if the problem persists there. If not, it's related to my account, which is somewhat of a different situation than having a useless app.
On 6/5/2009 5:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:06:36PM -0400, David wrote:
On 6/5/2009 4:25 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
i'll give it another shot with F11 but, really, i can't believe how utterly useless firefox is.
First off Firefox in F11 is FF 3.5 beta 4.
I have seen you mention this problem before today. And I have not seen any 'me too' replies. This must be a problem with your setup or system.
Is this with *all* sites? Or just some? Surely not just one site? Give an example URL please.
Do you have the same extensions installed in both Firefox and Seamonkey?
Do you use Flash Block? If a site is blocked, the default, it can slow the site down as it fights to display.
Another thing to look at is the 'languages' installed in Firefox by Fedora. You, I figure, speak English which is built in. Disable the many other languages.
I have a couple of other ideas but start here.
I tend to start by creating a new user account to see if the problem persists there. If not, it's related to my account, which is somewhat of a different situation than having a useless app.
Another good suggestion. I agree.
David wrote:
On 6/5/2009 5:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:06:36PM -0400, David wrote:
On 6/5/2009 4:25 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hello list,
All software has bugs. Some are known, and some are unknown. Fortunately with free/libre and open source software, we have the ability to diagnose and understand bugs.
In advance of Fedora 11 release, of course everyone has been hard at work stomping out bugs, but there are still issues we know are not fixed in the release. For many of these we have workarounds. We've made a wiki page that records these bugs:
do any of those bugs refer to the fact that (at least for me) firefox is still teeth-grindingly slow? i've mentioned this before and i've tried everything i can think of to speed it up but, at this point, it's utterly unusable. even sitting there, it perpetually sucks up 100% of the CPU on a dual core system, while seamonkey will happily sit there, idling along at about 0.8%.
i'll give it another shot with F11 but, really, i can't believe how utterly useless firefox is.
First off Firefox in F11 is FF 3.5 beta 4.
I have seen you mention this problem before today. And I have not seen any 'me too' replies. This must be a problem with your setup or system.
Is this with *all* sites? Or just some? Surely not just one site? Give an example URL please.
Do you have the same extensions installed in both Firefox and Seamonkey?
Do you use Flash Block? If a site is blocked, the default, it can slow the site down as it fights to display.
Another thing to look at is the 'languages' installed in Firefox by Fedora. You, I figure, speak English which is built in. Disable the many other languages.
I have a couple of other ideas but start here.
I tend to start by creating a new user account to see if the problem persists there. If not, it's related to my account, which is somewhat of a different situation than having a useless app.
Another good suggestion. I agree.
And something else I have seen impact Firefox performance more obviously than other kinds of applications is whether IPV6 is enabled or not. Apparently it has to do with how name resolution is attempted, and the kinds of responses or timeouts that occur in your environment. It is an easy thing to test by blocking the ipv6 module from loading and rebooting. On F10 I add a line to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf.dist:
# Prevent ipv6 being loaded install net-pf-10 /bin/true
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