udev hangs in FC5

[Lonni J Friedman]

I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?

[Mikkel]

Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?

Dumb question - does it lock up before or after printing OK for the
udev line?

Mikkel

[Lonni J Friedman]

On 5/19/06, Mikkel L. Ellertson  wrote:
> Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> > it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Dumb question - does it lock up before or after printing OK for the
> udev line?

before.  udev is definitely where its dying.

"Lonni J Friedman"  writes:
> I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?

I've seen it happen occasionally on my inspiron 6400.  A reboot
usually "fixes" it, but I don't know what causes it.

[Lonni J Friedman]

On 19 May 2006 19:56:53 -0400, [e-mail]
 wrote:
> "Lonni J Friedman"  writes:
> > I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> > it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I've seen it happen occasionally on my inspiron 6400.  A reboot
> usually "fixes" it, but I don't know what causes it.

I've attempted to boot about 10 times now, and it happens every time.

[Mark Haney]

Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> On 19 May 2006 19:56:53 -0400, [e-mail]
>  wrote:
> > "Lonni J Friedman"  writes:
> > > I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> > > it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > I've seen it happen occasionally on my inspiron 6400.  A reboot
> > usually "fixes" it, but I don't know what causes it.
>
> I've attempted to boot about 10 times now, and it happens every time.

I have seen this on every upgrade/install I've done.  In grub add 
selinux=0 to the kernel line and it will boot fine.

[Lonni J Friedman]

On 5/19/06, Mark Haney  wrote:
> Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> > On 19 May 2006 19:56:53 -0400, [e-mail]
> >  wrote:
> > > "Lonni J Friedman"  writes:
> > > > I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> > > > it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?
> > >
> > > I've seen it happen occasionally on my inspiron 6400.  A reboot
> > > usually "fixes" it, but I don't know what causes it.
> >
> > I've attempted to boot about 10 times now, and it happens every time.
>
> I have seen this on every upgrade/install I've done.  In grub add
> selinux=0 to the kernel line and it will boot fine.

Tried that, no change.  I guess I should have mentioned, I've already
tried selinux=0 noapic and acpi=off and none of them has had any
impact.

[Ric Moore]

On Fri, 2006-05-19 at 16:30 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> I just installed FC5 (x86) on a Samsung R65 notebook, and when booting
> it completely locks up when starting udev.  Anyone have any ideas?

Welcome to Club Udev. I'm not only the President, I'm a member as well. 
Check bugzilla, there are some fixes for some folks, notebooks notably.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186164

Me, for my desktop that hangs, I just wait until it times out (about 2-3
minutes) and then it'll proceed to boot, at least in my case.

I turn the power on, walk away to the kitchen, open the refridge, grab
salami, cheese,tomatoes, lettuce, condiments... dig open some cuban
bread (slicing it is so norte americano) and make a hoagie. Pop a beer,
and go back into the den. If it has booted by then, at least it's
running. Have a long swig and send a tip of the hat to the Master Coder
for your reprieve.

[Kevac Marko]

Booting from rescue cd and turning off the kudzu worked for me. Try.

/sbin/chkconfig kudzu off

[Lonni J Friedman]

On 5/19/06, Kevac Marko  wrote:
> Booting from rescue cd and turning off the kudzu worked for me. Try.
>
> /sbin/chkconfig kudzu off

The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.

[Cokey de Percin]

Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> On 5/19/06, Kevac Marko  wrote:
> > Booting from rescue cd and turning off the kudzu worked for me. Try.
> >
> > /sbin/chkconfig kudzu off
>
> The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.

Had the same problem.  In my situation, it seemed to be something to do 
with the probing parallel port.  Booted in rescue mode and edited the 
/etc/sysconfig/modules/udev-stw.modules and removed 'parport_pc parport 
lp'  from the 'for' line and  it's been booting just fine ever since.  
Put the printer intialization in the rc.local for the moment and 
everything works.  Have no explanation.

Cokey

[Tim]

Lonni J Friedman:
> > The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.

Cokey:
> Had the same problem.  In my situation, it seemed to be something to do 
> with the probing parallel port.  Booted in rescue mode and edited the 
> /etc/sysconfig/modules/udev-stw.modules and removed 'parport_pc parport 
> lp'  from the 'for' line and  it's been booting just fine ever since.  
> Put the printer intialization in the rc.local for the moment and 
> everything works.  Have no explanation.

How's your parallel port set up in the BIOS?  Fixed addresses, "auto"
mode?  Likewise, is the BIOS set for a Plug and Play OS?  Sometimes
changing them around might be all that's needed.  My settings are YES
there's a PnP OS installed, the parallel and serial ports have fixed
addresses set for the traditional locations, and the parallel port is
set to the highest set of features it has to choose from.

[Cokey de Percin]

Tim wrote:
> Lonni J Friedman:
> > > The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.
>
> Cokey:
> > Had the same problem.  In my situation, it seemed to be something to do 
> > with the probing parallel port.  Booted in rescue mode and edited the 
> > /etc/sysconfig/modules/udev-stw.modules and removed 'parport_pc parport 
> > lp'  from the 'for' line and  it's been booting just fine ever since.  
> > Put the printer intialization in the rc.local for the moment and 
> > everything works.  Have no explanation.
>
> How's your parallel port set up in the BIOS?  Fixed addresses, "auto"
> mode?  Likewise, is the BIOS set for a Plug and Play OS?  Sometimes
> changing them around might be all that's needed.  My settings are YES
> there's a PnP OS installed, the parallel and serial ports have fixed
> addresses set for the traditional locations, and the parallel port is
> set to the highest set of features it has to choose from.

Parallel and serial are fixed at their normal settings.  I don't believe 
there's a 'Plug and Play' option, but I'll have to look.  For me though, 
there's also another wrinkle.  I have a multi port PCI parallel card for 
second printer and udev hangs probing this card even with the all the 
parallel and serial ports turned off in the BIOS.  Everything works just 
fine from rc.local.  I just put the necessary modprobe lines in and a 
service restart for cups.  All the parallel ports are hot; printers are 
probed and recognized as expected.  Might just be a anomaly with this 
motherboard as it's an older Tyan  Thunder 2500 server board.

Cokey

[Kevac Marko]

After clean install of FC5 i386 i have the same problem.

Booting into FC5 rescue cd and "yum -y remove kudzu" worked.

[Tim]

On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 21:46 +0400, Kevac Marko wrote:
> Booting into FC5 rescue cd and "yum -y remove kudzu" worked.

I would imagine that simply stopping kudzu from being run at start-up
would be sufficient.  You may want it, later on, to manually configure
later-added hardware.

[Kevac Marko]

It's not sufficient. Because kudzu is somehow starting not only when
it should start, but also just before login screen and it freezes
laptop anyway.

On 5/29/06, Tim  wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 21:46 +0400, Kevac Marko wrote:
> > Booting into FC5 rescue cd and "yum -y remove kudzu" worked.
>
> I would imagine that simply stopping kudzu from being run at start-up
> would be sufficient.  You may want it, later on, to manually configure
> later-added hardware.
>
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[Tim]

Tim:
> > I would imagine that simply stopping kudzu from being run at start-up
> > would be sufficient.  You may want it, later on, to manually configure
> > later-added hardware.

Kevac Marko:
> It's not sufficient. Because kudzu is somehow starting not only when
> it should start, but also just before login screen and it freezes
> laptop anyway.

Did you turn off the kudzu service from running in runlevel 3 *AND* 5?

But if it runs, and you've got it disabled, that sounds like a problem
that will need to get fixed for other people, as well.

[Kevac Marko]

On 5/29/06, Tim  wrote:
> Did you turn off the kudzu service from running in runlevel 3 *AND* 5?

Yes
chkconfig kudzu off
It turns off kudzu for each run level.
> But if it runs, and you've got it disabled, that sounds like a problem
> that will need to get fixed for other people, as well.

I'll try to describe it more precisely. I am sorry for my English.

Before turning off and removing kudzu, laptop hangs some seconds after
udev without any message.

After turning the kudzu off, the laptop hangs just before the login
screen with an error message. I don't remember what this message is
about, but it resembles a python error message. My ability to remember
precise things sucks :-)

If you want I can install it one more time and find out what kind of
error message it was.

After removing kudzu at all the laptop stops hanging.

Kevac Marko

[Mitja Mihelic]

tried it all. nothing works.
my notebook still hangs after displaying "Starting udev"

[Mitja Mihelic]

if it helps, something else to be tried can be found here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186164

--
mm

[Kevac Marko]

I know, but try. It worked for me.

On 5/20/06, Lonni J Friedman  wrote:
> The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.

[Ric Moore]

On Sat, 2006-05-20 at 05:42 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
> On 5/19/06, Kevac Marko  wrote:
> > Booting from rescue cd and turning off the kudzu worked for me. Try.
> >
> > /sbin/chkconfig kudzu off
>
> The udev boot hang is before kudzu runs.

Same here...