I recently changed my e-mail and I want this list to be in Digest mode. I have checked the list guidelines, sent an e-mail to users-help@lists.fedoraproject.org, and everything else I can think of, but couldn't get it done on my own.
Can the list admin change mflan@mflan.com to digest mode, assuming mflan@mflan.com is the e-mail I used to sign up to this list.
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
Mike
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 06:14 -0600, Mike Flannigan wrote:
I recently changed my e-mail and I want this list to be in Digest mode. I have checked the list guidelines, sent an e-mail to users-help@lists.fedoraproject.org, and everything else I can think of, but couldn't get it done on my own.
Can the list admin change mflan@mflan.com to digest mode, assuming mflan@mflan.com is the e-mail I used to sign up to this list.
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
No, and I don't know if the list supports it. However I would urge you to reconsider. Digest mode is an obsolete workaround that dates from when most people got their mail by modem using UUCP. It has no advantage these days, and indeed often causes problems when someone replies to a digest instead of replying to one of its component messages, or thinking that they can do this just by editing the subject line (which breaks threading). I'm a moderator on the Evolution list so have direct experience of dealing with this. We turned off digests on that list a while ago and have had no complaints.
A modern email client using filtering and folders is by far the best way of dealing with heavy list traffic.
poc
Yeah, if you have attachments to the list you probably don't want digest mode. With discipline it works out pretty good for a list like this. But it's incredibly aggravating to digest people when a digest person replies to the whole stack without trimming.
My old e-mail address had digest mode set.
Mike
On 11/19/20 6:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 06:14 -0600, Mike Flannigan wrote:
I recently changed my e-mail and I want this list to be in Digest mode. I have checked the list guidelines, sent an e-mail to users-help@lists.fedoraproject.org, and everything else I can think of, but couldn't get it done on my own.
Can the list admin change mflan@mflan.com to digest mode, assuming mflan@mflan.com is the e-mail I used to sign up to this list.
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
No, and I don't know if the list supports it. However I would urge you to reconsider. Digest mode is an obsolete workaround that dates from when most people got their mail by modem using UUCP. It has no advantage these days, and indeed often causes problems when someone replies to a digest instead of replying to one of its component messages, or thinking that they can do this just by editing the subject line (which breaks threading). I'm a moderator on the Evolution list so have direct experience of dealing with this. We turned off digests on that list a while ago and have had no complaints.
A modern email client using filtering and folders is by far the best way of dealing with heavy list traffic.
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Hi,
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 06:14 -0600, Mike Flannigan wrote:
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
No, and I don't know if the list supports it.
It does. Subscribers can set one of several digest delivery methods in the "List-based preferences" of the Mailman web UI (Plain Text, MIME, or Summary),
The MIME Digests option is decent; it allows any mildly competent email client to reply to individual messages.
However I would urge you to reconsider. Digest mode is an obsolete workaround that dates from when most people got their mail by modem using UUCP. It has no advantage these days, and indeed often causes problems when someone replies to a digest instead of replying to one of its component messages, or thinking that they can do this just by editing the subject line (which breaks threading).
Agreed. It is a problem when subscribers of the Plain Text Digest reply, particularly if they do not even change the subject. To stop the latter problem on this list, we use the "Header filters" option in the list config to prevent messages matching the digest subject pattern from reaching the list. While that doesn't prevent thread breaking, I'd bet that we see more broken threading here from bad email clients than users of any of the digest methods. :(
The MIME digests option works reasonably well, though. For someone who wants to receive messages in a digest mode, that's worth trying. If someone is using a poor email client where MIME digests don't work, then I can only advise them to use a better email client. :)
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 09:16 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
The MIME digests option works reasonably well, though. For someone who wants to receive messages in a digest mode, that's worth trying. If someone is using a poor email client where MIME digests don't work, then I can only advise them to use a better email client. :)
MIME digests can work correctly but the user has to remember to use Reply To Digest in their MUA (this is the case with Evolution at least), and they often don't.
poc
On 19/11/2020 20:14, Mike Flannigan wrote:
I recently changed my e-mail and I want this list to be in Digest mode. I have checked the list guidelines, sent an e-mail to users-help@lists.fedoraproject.org, and everything else I can think of, but couldn't get it done on my own.
Can the list admin change mflan@mflan.com to digest mode, assuming mflan@mflan.com is the e-mail I used to sign up to this list.
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
You can go to
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/
sign in. And then edit your Mailman setting. It is under "global" so you will get digest for all lists to which you are subscribed.
--- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions.
Thanks for the reply. I tried that but it won't let me in. I tried my normal passwords, but I'm thinking I did not selected a password when I signed up.
Mike
On 11/19/20 7:18 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 19/11/2020 20:14, Mike Flannigan wrote:
I recently changed my e-mail and I want this list to be in Digest mode. I have checked the list guidelines, sent an e-mail to users-help@lists.fedoraproject.org, and everything else I can think of, but couldn't get it done on my own.
Can the list admin change mflan@mflan.com to digest mode, assuming mflan@mflan.com is the e-mail I used to sign up to this list.
Does anybody know how to change to digest mode?
You can go to
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/
sign in. And then edit your Mailman setting. It is under "global" so you will get digest for all lists to which you are subscribed.
The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Mike Flannigan writes:
Thanks for the reply. I tried that but it won't let me in. I tried my normal passwords, but I'm thinking I did not selected a password when I signed up.
In a stock Mailman you can do a password reset from the login screen (use the "forgot password" link). Of course you can only do that if you have the right address.
It's funny I didn't see that. But unfortunately that is not working either. It says "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" for both my e-mail addresses. mflan@mflan.com - new e-mail address mikeflan@att.net - old e-mail address
Mike
On 11/19/20 7:40 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mike Flannigan writes:
Thanks for the reply. I tried that but it won't let me in. I tried my normal passwords, but I'm thinking I did not selected a password when I signed up.
In a stock Mailman you can do a password reset from the login screen (use the "forgot password" link). Of course you can only do that if you have the right address.
Correction. It says that for mikeflan@att.net, which is correct since that is unsubscribed.
It says
Forbidden (403)
CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
You are seeing this message because this site requires a CSRF cookie when submitting forms. This cookie is required for security reasons, to ensure that your browser is not being hijacked by third parties.
If you have configured your browser to disable cookies, please re-enable them, at least for this site, or for 'same-origin' requests.
for mflan@mflan.com
I changed from "strict" to "standard", but I can't see otherwise how to accept this cookie. Still trying.
Mike
On 11/19/20 8:00 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
It's funny I didn't see that. But unfortunately that is not working either. It says "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" for both my e-mail addresses. mflan@mflan.com - new e-mail address mikeflan@att.net - old e-mail address
Mike
On 11/19/20 7:40 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mike Flannigan writes:
> Thanks for the reply. I tried that but it won't let > me in. I tried my normal passwords, but I'm thinking > I did not selected a password when I signed up.
In a stock Mailman you can do a password reset from the login screen (use the "forgot password" link). Of course you can only do that if you have the right address.
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Well, I inserted an Exception to allow a cookie from https://lists.fedoraproject.org but that did not work either. It is back to saying "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" for both e-mails.
I guess I will just build my own digest version with a script. Not any ideal solution.
Mike
On 11/19/20 8:05 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
Correction. It says that for mikeflan@att.net, which is correct since that is unsubscribed.
It says
Forbidden (403)
CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
You are seeing this message because this site requires a CSRF cookie when submitting forms. This cookie is required for security reasons, to ensure that your browser is not being hijacked by third parties.
If you have configured your browser to disable cookies, please re-enable them, at least for this site, or for 'same-origin' requests.
for mflan@mflan.com
I changed from "strict" to "standard", but I can't see otherwise how to accept this cookie. Still trying.
Mike
Hi,
Mike Flannigan wrote:
Well, I inserted an Exception to allow a cookie from https://lists.fedoraproject.org but that did not work either. It is back to saying "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" for both e-mails.
I set your address (@mflan.com) to MIME digests mode. If you have trouble with it, contact the list managers via users-owner@... and we can take a look.
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the problems you're having getting logged in to the web UI to offer much help on that (and it's early for me, so I'm not fully awake).
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:10:37AM -0600, Mike Flannigan wrote:
Well, I inserted an Exception to allow a cookie from https://lists.fedoraproject.org but that did not work either. It is back to saying "The e-mail address is not assigned to any user account" for both e-mails.
I guess I will just build my own digest version with a script. Not any ideal solution.
So, I suspect what you are doing is:
Going to: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/?next=/admin/lists/users.list... and then trying to enter something in the Login / Password fields?
That is definitely not going to work. :)
Instead, go to that page and click on one of the icons in the row. You can choose 'Fedora' and it will use the fedora account system login, or github, or twitter or whatever you have and want to use.
The login and password stuff there is a leftover for people who used persona after it was dropped. ;(
Try logging in via one of those? If you login with anything you can then add your email addresses to that account and change digest settings, etc.
kevin --
Mike
On 11/19/20 8:05 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
Correction. It says that for mikeflan@att.net, which is correct since that is unsubscribed.
It says
Forbidden (403)
CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
You are seeing this message because this site requires a CSRF cookie when submitting forms. This cookie is required for security reasons, to ensure that your browser is not being hijacked by third parties.
If you have configured your browser to disable cookies, please re-enable them, at least for this site, or for 'same-origin' requests.
for mflan@mflan.com
I changed from "strict" to "standard", but I can't see otherwise how to accept this cookie. Still trying.
Mike
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Thank you. I did get it done.
Mike
On 11/19/20 1:41 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:10:37AM -0600, Mike Flannigan wrote: So, I suspect what you are doing is:
Going to: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/?next=/admin/lists/users.list... and then trying to enter something in the Login / Password fields?
That is definitely not going to work. :)
Instead, go to that page and click on one of the icons in the row. You can choose 'Fedora' and it will use the fedora account system login, or github, or twitter or whatever you have and want to use.
The login and password stuff there is a leftover for people who used persona after it was dropped. ;(
Try logging in via one of those? If you login with anything you can then add your email addresses to that account and change digest settings, etc.
kevin
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