Hi all,
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
Regards, -Martin
Martin Cigorraga writes:
Hi all,
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
You want to remove Gnome, and then what? Without Gnome, you do not have an X desktop.
Perhaps you want to switch from Gnome to another window manager, like XFCE or KDE. Well, after installing the appropriate group, you should have an option to switch your session to the new window manager, when logging in.
Although, in my case, when I finally had enough of Gnome, and switched to XFCE, I found that my login user environment was too polluted with various Gnome-related flotsam, even after I logged into XFCE. To make a clean break, I had to create a new userid, move/change ownership of all documents and files, to the new userid, then delete the old one.
Of course, all of the old baggage still remains installed, after that. A small waste of disk space, mostly. I should, one of these days, go over and clean up as much of the unused Gnome stuff as I can find.
On 03/07/2015 03:58 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Of course, all of the old baggage still remains installed, after that. A small waste of disk space, mostly. I should, one of these days, go over and clean up as much of the unused Gnome stuff as I can find.
Be sure to switch from gdm to lightdm when you do so. There's a fair amount of Gnome cruft that requires gdm for one reason or another, so it's easier to get rid of it first, then go after the rest.
Hello Sam,
Yes, it seems that some packages in Fedora pulls down more dependencies than I would like; for instance removing the GNOME Desktop group (if it actually existed) should only remove everything GNOME-related stuff and only that, not whatever else on what it may depend. Conversely, one should be able to install X or Wayland separately - at least that's how I used with Arch and Gentoo albeit RHEL seems more close to Debian in this regard.
About the question I made, I think it is quite self-explanatory: there are groups for every-other Desktop Environment (even one for Window Managers) but there's none for GNOME Desktop. Of course I believe one could go and remove leftovers by hand, what I say is that's strange - just to say something - that there isn't a meta-group that takes care of that.
Regards.
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
Martin Cigorraga writes:
Hi all,
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
You want to remove Gnome, and then what? Without Gnome, you do not have an X desktop.
Perhaps you want to switch from Gnome to another window manager, like XFCE or KDE. Well, after installing the appropriate group, you should have an option to switch your session to the new window manager, when logging in.
Although, in my case, when I finally had enough of Gnome, and switched to XFCE, I found that my login user environment was too polluted with various Gnome-related flotsam, even after I logged into XFCE. To make a clean break, I had to create a new userid, move/change ownership of all documents and files, to the new userid, then delete the old one.
Of course, all of the old baggage still remains installed, after that. A small waste of disk space, mostly. I should, one of these days, go over and clean up as much of the unused Gnome stuff as I can find.
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Ahh, that's actually a nice tip Joe, thanks a lot.
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 03/07/2015 03:58 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Of course, all of the old baggage still remains installed, after that. A small waste of disk space, mostly. I should, one of these days, go over and clean up as much of the unused Gnome stuff as I can find.
Be sure to switch from gdm to lightdm when you do so. There's a fair amount of Gnome cruft that requires gdm for one reason or another, so it's easier to get rid of it first, then go after the rest. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Hi
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
Ahh, that's actually a nice tip Joe, thanks a lot.
I am afraid not. It is quite the reverse really. GDM requires a number of GNOME components because it provides many features directly before you even login. However very few packages require GDM itself
$sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires gdm
Using metadata from Fri Mar 6 22:30:56 2015
gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-1.fc21.x86_64 ovirt-guest-agent-gdm-plugin-0:1.0.10.2-1.fc21.noarch pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-0:5.0-25.fc21.x86_64 xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0:0.0.1-11.fc21.x86_64 gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-2.fc21.x86_64
Rahul
Thank you Rahul.
After doing the proper backup I will try something in the line of # yum erase gdm $(rpm -qa | grep gnome).
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
Ahh, that's actually a nice tip Joe, thanks a lot.
I am afraid not. It is quite the reverse really. GDM requires a number of GNOME components because it provides many features directly before you even login. However very few packages require GDM itself
$sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires gdm
Using metadata from Fri Mar 6 22:30:56 2015
gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-1.fc21.x86_64 ovirt-guest-agent-gdm-plugin-0:1.0.10.2-1.fc21.noarch pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-0:5.0-25.fc21.x86_64 xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0:0.0.1-11.fc21.x86_64 gnome-initial-setup-0:3.14.2.1-2.fc21.x86_64
Rahul
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On 03/07/2015 08:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I am afraid not. It is quite the reverse really. GDM requires a number of GNOME components because it provides many features directly before you even login. However very few packages require GDM itself
Sorry; I got it backward. I knew that there were dependency issues but forgot which direction. Thanx for the correction.
On 8 March 2015 at 00:10, Martin Cigorraga martincigorraga@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, it seems that some packages in Fedora pulls down more dependencies than I would like; for instance removing the GNOME Desktop group (if it actually existed) should only remove everything GNOME-related stuff and only that, not whatever else on what it may depend. Conversely, one should be able to install X or Wayland separately - at least that's how I used with Arch and Gentoo albeit RHEL seems more close to Debian in this regard.
About the question I made, I think it is quite self-explanatory: there are groups for every-other Desktop Environment (even one for Window Managers) but there's none for GNOME Desktop. Of course I believe one could go and remove leftovers by hand, what I say is that's strange - just to say something - that there isn't a meta-group that takes care of that.
Red Hat is big contributor to Gnome so Fedora is a Gnome-centered distro. It supports other DEs but the default assumption is that you're using Gnome. This is evident from a lot of the documentation as well the packaging structure as you point out. That said, there's no problem using another DE and a lot of us do so. We just put up with some the Gnome components being more or less ever-present as long as they doesn't get in the way. And of course having them means you can use Gnome-based apps such as Evolution without having to put up with the weird desktop GUI.
It would be interesting to find out just what percentage of active users are on each of the main DEs, but I can't think of a reliable way of doing that i.e. one not subject to selection bias.
poc
poc
That was an enlightening answer, thank you very much Patrick. -Martin
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 March 2015 at 00:10, Martin Cigorraga martincigorraga@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, it seems that some packages in Fedora pulls down more dependencies than I would like; for instance removing the GNOME Desktop group (if it actually existed) should only remove everything GNOME-related stuff and only that, not whatever else on what it may depend. Conversely, one should be able to install X or Wayland separately - at least that's how I used with Arch and Gentoo albeit RHEL seems more close to Debian in this regard.
About the question I made, I think it is quite self-explanatory: there are groups for every-other Desktop Environment (even one for Window Managers) but there's none for GNOME Desktop. Of course I believe one could go and remove leftovers by hand, what I say is that's strange - just to say something - that there isn't a meta-group that takes care of that.
Red Hat is big contributor to Gnome so Fedora is a Gnome-centered distro. It supports other DEs but the default assumption is that you're using Gnome. This is evident from a lot of the documentation as well the packaging structure as you point out. That said, there's no problem using another DE and a lot of us do so. We just put up with some the Gnome components being more or less ever-present as long as they doesn't get in the way. And of course having them means you can use Gnome-based apps such as Evolution without having to put up with the weird desktop GUI.
It would be interesting to find out just what percentage of active users are on each of the main DEs, but I can't think of a reliable way of doing that i.e. one not subject to selection bias.
poc
poc
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On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 06:32:22PM -0300, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
I don't know why no one else has mentioned this already. In my opinion it is much easier to install a minimal set, and then build your desktop as needed rather than install the default, and get rid of Gnome.
I'm an XFCE user (with lightdm as login manager), and everytime I did a fresh install, I used the minimal image. You can even do a network install. During that I simply select the gui packages I need (some subset of XFCE for me). This way I have a very small set of gnome packages.
$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 18
I know 18 is not a very accurate count, but it is more or less there. Since you are using i3, I bet you can get the list to be even shorter! Often people say disk space is cheap, why bother? I have a tiny 20 gig / on my laptop, so it does matter to me. On my desktop, I don't care.
Hope this helps,
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 06:32:22PM -0300, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
I don't know why no one else has mentioned this already. In my opinion it is much easier to install a minimal set, and then build your desktop as needed rather than install the default, and get rid of Gnome.
Because it wasn't the question asked by OP - me, in this case.
Thanks anyways for passing by. -M.
On 03/07/15 16:32, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
Hi all,
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
Regards, -Martin
Hey Martin,
It appears that yum may have some "hidden" groups.
http://wiki.centos.org/TipsAndTricks/YumAndRPM#head-b3159dc0594ab59a5ae0c27d...
Perhaps this is what you need to get started.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, Suvayu Ali wrote:
On Sat, Mar 07, 2015 at 06:32:22PM -0300, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
I'm a newcomer to Fedora and still learning its ways so excuse me if my question sounds stupid. Now, I want to remove GNOME from my install as I use i3; from what I saw there's no gnome-group or similar goup available, how should I proceed?
I don't know why no one else has mentioned this already. In my opinion it is much easier to install a minimal set, and then build your desktop as needed rather than install the default, and get rid of Gnome.
I'm an XFCE user (with lightdm as login manager), and everytime I did a fresh install, I used the minimal image. You can even do a network install. During that I simply select the gui packages I need (some subset of XFCE for me). This way I have a very small set of gnome packages.
$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 18
I know 18 is not a very accurate count, but it is more or less there. Since you are using i3, I bet you can get the list to be even shorter! Often people say disk space is cheap, why bother? I have a tiny 20 gig / on my laptop, so it does matter to me. On my desktop, I don't care.
Hope this helps,
Yeah, my answer to most of these "how do I do this complex reconfiguration thing with a box I've dicking around with for two days and have all sorts fo stuff gumming up the works" questions is usually "reinstall." For me, anyway, it takes, what, 30 mins to reinstall Fedora <insert spin here> without the gunk I wish I hadn't added, but four or five hours chasing dependencies and stuff trying to "clean" a system that has a couple hundred packages installed I decided I didn't want.
A clean install is the chicken soup of system administration, IMHO.
billo
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 05:21:12PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 08.03.2015, Suvayu Ali wrote:
$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 18
FWIW: this is an installation from the XFCE spin, with additional devel and administration packages:
[htd@chiara ~]$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 13
I know mine could be a bit lower. I use some packages that kinda pull in a few gnome dependencies: evince, cheese, guake, mplayer gui, etc. There are also a few that do not show up in the above count like yelp.
On 03/09/15 12:21, Heinz Diehl wrote:
FWIW: this is an installation from the XFCE spin, with additional devel and administration packages:
[htd@chiara ~]$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 13
Here's an XFCE Live spin I installed a few days ago with a few added applications:
[bobg@bobgASRockServer ~]$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 9
Bob
Hi all, couldn't answer earlier, thanks for hooking on the thread.
@billo: Yeah, my answer to most of these "how do I do this complex reconfiguration
Why should it be 'complex'? It's certainly complex here - or it's just me as I'm not used to Fedora's way. I've been using Arch & Gentoo for the last few years (~6) and never experienced that on Arch (it's super modular and flexible) while I had minor issues w/ Gentoo.
" thing with a box I've dicking around with for two days and have all sorts fo stuff gumming up the works"
In my case I've been running F21 since the official release and it's been a smooth sailing for the most part. I have tons of things installed and some low-level tweaks performed - not mention that these days I don't have much spare time to play with my system, I need it to work - so performing a new installation isn't a choice. Moreover, problem isn't the time spent on installing the system but the one spent to later leave it at the same point it is right now [0].
" questions is usually "reinstall." For me, anyway, it takes, what, 30 mins to reinstall Fedora <insert spin here> without the gunk I wish I hadn't added, but four or five hours chasing dependencies and stuff trying to "clean" a system that has a couple hundred packages installed I decided I didn't want.
Yep, thinking about spending four or five hours chasing dependencies does indeed sound crazy, should it be that way? Besides this experience, in the past I only experienced the so-called dependency hell when running Debian and its derivatives.
"A clean install is the chicken soup of system administration, IMHO."
I don't agree here. To me it is a sane rolling release/upgrade cycle.
-M.
[0 You folks may find interesting using a combination of GNU Stow + Git (or a similar DVCS) to manage your dot files, both system and personal ones. To held configs and customizations on private repos makes it super easy to deploy them across all your systems, make rollbacks, etc.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
On 03/09/15 12:21, Heinz Diehl wrote:
FWIW: this is an installation from the XFCE spin, with additional devel and administration packages:
[htd@chiara ~]$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 13
Here's an XFCE Live spin I installed a few days ago with a few added applications:
[bobg@bobgASRockServer ~]$ rpm -qa gnome* | wc -l 9
Bob
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I didn't see anyone suggest "yum autoremove" on the various installed gnome* packages that you don't want. (There used to be a "gnome" metapackage, but I don't see it now. It would be the one to "yum autoremove".)
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